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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Sunday, 12-7-14 December 8, 2014

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Sunday, 12-7-14

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Guest:  Dr. Bruce Cordell.  Topics:  Dr. Cordell uses his trend analysis & Maslow Windows to suggest a boom in space development & exploration.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Bruce Cordell to the show for updates with his trend & Maslow Windows analysis suggesting a strong possibility for a boom ahead with a large space project.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 47 minute program, Dr. Cordell summarized his Maslow Windows theory over the economic history of the US showing how specific economic cycles lead to large, cutting edge projects approximately twice in a century.  He cited several examples but talked about the Panama Canal and our earlier space program culminating with Apollo and our lunar missions.  He said these projects are typically large exploration type projects, macro economic, and coming when there is a boom and the public is ebullient.  He said there are three precursors to the big project.  The three are economic, geopolitical, and space related.  Regarding the space precursor, he talked about the recent Chinese lunar rover mission and Chinese lunar orbiter and return mission.  He also said movies start tracking this too and he mentioned Gravity and Interstellar.  I suggested that many do not want a large government space project, instead opting for private projects and missions within LEO and even to Mars.  Dr. Cordell said it did not have to be a public venture and that it could also be a public/private partnership.  As a result of other questions, he said the next big space project might very well be a return to the Moon.  John from Ft. Worth called to talk about leadership issues, risk, and the lack of the 60’s spirit.  Bruce talked about the impact of the Sputnik moment.  John and Bruce continued their interesting conversation for the balance of the segment.

In the second segment, Bruce answered John’s question from before the break as to what may happen if China is the leader and commands the ebullience, not the U.S.  We also addressed BJohn’s question regarding China using older technology based on the Soviet space program while the US is cutting edge and would that not make a difference.  Don’t miss what Bruce had to say.  In the remaining minutes of the program, Bruce talked about his human spaceflight graduate class he teaches at USC in their Dept. of Astronautical Engineering.  The class will be taught again in the fall of 2015 and is available to qualified students as an online option.  As we were ending the show, I asked Dr. Cordell about timelines which he has connected to our 2016 presidential election.  He also said a major Apollo type project would need leadership from the US president.  I asked about a private sector leader and he had much to say about this possibility.  He mentioned that the economy over the next two years would be critical as we are not yet in a boom period.  He was unable to identify the political leader that would make this happen and said often during our discussion that JFK was not elected as a result of his space policy meaning that an interest in doing something great in space  might develop with a president after he/she is in office.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above. You can reach Dr. Cordell through his website at http://www.21stcenturywaves.com.

The NRC Pathways HSF Study Panel Discussion, Sunday, 10-12-14 October 13, 2014

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The NRC Pathways HSF Study Panel Discussion, Sunday, 10-12-14

Featuring Dr. Jim Logan, Dan Adamo, Dr. John Jurist

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Guests:  Dan Adamo, Dr. Jim Logan, Dr. John Jurist.  Topics:  Our three guests reviewed the NRC “Pathways To Exploration HSF study.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Welcome to this 2.5 hour Space Show Classroom discussion with Dan Adamo, Dr. John Jurist, & Dr. Jim Logan regarding the recently released NRC “Pathways To Exploration: Rationales And Approaches For A U.S. Program Of Human Space Exploration.”  You can download the report for free at  http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=18801.  In addition, the project referred to in the last part of this discussion by Dan and Jim, the “Aquarius interplanetary HSF transport” paper can be freely downloaded at  http://www.spaceenterpriseinstitute.org/2014/07/aquarius-a-reusable-water-based-interplanetary-human-spaceflight-transport.  Please note that our panel members used cell phones which caused audio issues which you may hear during the discussion.  Finally, as this program will also be archived on both The Space Show and The Space Show Classroom blogs, there will be two papers uploaded to each blog, one by Dan Adamo & the other by caller Dr. James Dewar. I will mention both in the summary below.  In the first segment, our panel members opened with their perspective on the NRC Pathways HSF study.  While there were similarities in their perspectives, there were also noteworthy differences.  After this comprehensive introduction, I asked our panel members about the study and space settlement or pioneering.  Each panel member had much to say on the settlement issue, including the need to solve the gravity prescription for long duration HSF or settlement.  Our panel members  said that for the most part, space settlement was out of scope for this report.  In this part of the discussion much was said about microgravity issues & the need to do on orbit experiments to determine the HSF gravity prescription.  Deimos was discussed as an initial better choice that the surface of Mars re microgravity issues.  Our guests spoke to the need of a short arm centrifuge on the ISS.  Jim spoke to the specifics of such an experiment such as 1 G at the head., 2.5 g’s at the feet for two hours a day to see how it serves as a microgravity countermeasure.  Our panel members mentioned that there already was such a short arm centrifuge built years ago by NASA and Wiley, http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/slsd/about/divisions/hacd/laboratories/short-arm_centrifuge_laboratory.html.  The guests talked about unknown human factor challenges for going to Mars and long duration spaceflight.  Jim provided us with interesting statistics on human spaceflight totals since the beginning in 1961.  The panel members had much to say about the budget issues discussed in the NRC study.  Another point brought up was the study’s assumption that if we are not going to the surface of Mars, why even do HSF?  Near the end of the first segment, listener Carl brought up the well known plans for Mars settlement with Elon Musk & SpaceX.  This sparked quite the discussion so don’t miss it.

In the second segment, our panel talked about the value of the Pathways study, international partnerships and what they saw as contradictory statements, especially regarding the mission cost impact of such partnerships.  John mentioned the study’s reference to NASA education & public outreach which he thought was more focused on STEM & the development of more engineers rather than on educating the general public to be more knowledgeable about science.  The panel members  noted that there was little attention paid to the societal impact of not even having a human spaceflight program.  Dan & Jim agreed on the importance of educational outreach and shared their experiences with us from the employment with NASA.  Adrian in San Diego sent in an email suggesting the panel was being pessimistic and that China would not overthink issues and just do missions without full disclosure.  All three panel members had much to say in response to Adrian’s charge of being pessimistic.  They talked about being reality based, not pessimistic & why it was so important to be reality based.  The panel hit back hard on the charge of being pessimistic.  Dan & Jim said to be other than realistic was reckless and irresponsible.  Jim also said that being called pessimistic suggested to him that reality had violated the person’s ideology.  Jim would be happy to debate the issues with anyone in open forum.  This discussion brought Jim and Dan to talking about their Aquarius project which you can download at the above URL.  They spent some time discussing the benefits of their approach, noting how it addresses & mitigates many of the problems associated with a HSF mission to Mars.  They also spoke to the need for nuclear propulsion and talked about using water as fuel and very high ISP ratings with high temperatures.  During this discussion, Dr. Jim Dewar called in to suggest their ISP ratings were low, he explained why, and he talked about starting small to start flying and then improving as you go.  We did not know it but we lost John from the connection but Jim, Dan, and Dr. Dewar spoke to the NERVA project, and specifics about nuclear propulsion.  This advanced nuclear propulsion discussion was close to a half an hour near the end of the program.  Dr. Dewar was a guest on the program in 2008 & 2009 regarding nuclear propulsion & its history. He also authored two books on the subject.  Use the GuestSearch tool on our website to find his interviews which I suggest you listen to if you have not already done so.  I will also upload to both blogs the paper Dr. Dewar referenced in his discussion.  After the nuclear discussion, Adrian sent in another email titled “rebuttal.”  He challenged the panel members to do the experiments, not just to talk about them.  Jim, Dan & I challenged Adrian for his solutions to doing many of the needed & essential experiments. All of the panel members supported doing the needed experiments & have said so for decades.  Getting funding for the experiments, NASA approval, etc. is a challenge.  I then challenged Adrian to come to The Space Show as a guest with his solutions for doing the essential work & experiments rather than his just talking about how badly they are needed per his second email.  I hope Adrian does have answers and will contact me about coming on the show to discuss them with us.  Jim & Dan each provided closing comments focusing back on the study report.  They thought the report was worth it from the taxpayer perspective and that it would be used for references.  Jim did think the report was not as good as other government studies he had seen because it was so speculative, something all three guests addressed in their opening remarks.  An 11th hour call came from SLS John to talk about the ISP formula & temperatures Dan and Jim used in their paper Aquarius paper.  Dan authorized me to upload to the blog his written comments on the NRC Pathways study so you will find that document on both blogs as well.

Please post comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can reach the panel members through me.

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Michael Annis, Friday, 10-10-14 October 11, 2014

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Michael Annis, Friday, 10-10-14

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Guest:  Michael Annis.  Topics:  We discussed is podcasts re http://spacerockethistory.com on the history of space & rocketry.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.   For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michael Annis to the program to discuss his series of space & rocket history podcasts at http://spacerockethistory.com.  During the first segment, Mike told us about his background, being inspired by Apollo, and being a strong space enthusiasts going forward.  He strives for one podcast weekly.  Visit http://spacerockethistory.com/?page_id=344 for his timeline for existing podcasts with the newest on top.  Note that he started his series with his first podcast covering “Ancient Rocketry:  Standing on the Shoulders of Giants.”  As you will hear, he is still covering the Gemini program as his podcasts represent a detailed oral history in chronological order of events & missions that happened.  He does cover Soviet events plus events & rockets from other nations as applicable.  His sources are referenced in the podcasts but he does have a Source page, http://spacerockethistory.com/?page_id=27.  For this segment, we started at the beginning, talked about the history of rocketry and our space program.  One thing that I liked was his mention of the Flying Steam Powered Pigeon by Archtytas about 428 BC (see http://kotsanas.com/gb/exh.php?exhibit=2001001).  Listeners asked Mike questions about NewSpace, the Saturn V rocket, and for his favorite missions.  In this segment, Mike talked about the space interest of his students & their knowledge level of space history which was not good.

In the second segment, Mike mentioned Newton’s laws, especially his Third Law of Motion, especially action-reaction as he said rockets were based on this.  Our guest was asked about Mars as the focus and goal of human spaceflight and if he thought the US would likely lead a humans to Mars mission.  Another listener asked him about failures and he mentioned what he called a Flopnic, the Vanguard TV3 launch and the Soviet R7 rocket.  When asked about challenges to our space program, he cited budget problems.  We talked about the U.S. private sector which he supports.  Mike told us how to get his podcasts as they are available on iTunes and Stitcher.  Near the end of our program, Mike was asked about the Moon-Mars debate and his thoughts on the overall condition of our human spaceflight program.

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 6-4-14 June 5, 2014

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 6-4-14

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Guests: John Batchelor, Pablo de Leon, Dr. David Livingston.  Topics: We discussed the HSF capsules dating back to the Vostok through Dragon Rider.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).  For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating.  This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

We welcomed to Hotel Mars Pablo de Leon to discuss HSF capsules from Vostok to Dragon Rider. We discussed the capsule design, why we are still using them, how they were out of favor at one time and are now in favor, plus the future for capsules for human spaceflight.  We talked about the thrusters on the Soyuz plus what Dragon Rider is planning to use, plus electronics and computer advancements along with environmental advancements being used in the new capsules.  Pablo also discussed alternatives to capsules that we have attempted to develop over the years but without success.

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James Pura, Aaron Oesterle, Sunday, 6-1-14 June 2, 2014

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James Pura, Aaron Oesterle, Sunday, 6-1-14

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Guests:  James Pura, Aaron Oesterle.  Topic:  The Space Frontier Foundation’s (SFF) Space Settlement Enabling Test (http://spacefrontier.org/settlement-enabling-test).  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed James Pura and Aaron Oesterle to the program to discuss The Space Frontier Foundation’s Space Settlement Enabling Test (see http://spacefrontier.org/settlement-enabling-test).  During the first segment of our 90 minute program, James and Arron went over the history of how the Space Settlement Enabling Test got its start within the SFF.  We also learned that it is in response to public space programs, not private programs though parts of the test would be applicable to private ventures but applying it that way is not a purpose of the Foundation.  The SFF Board votes on the projects being applied to the test with the results being published on the SFF website (http://spacefrontier.org).  We learned that the test consists of 21 questions in seven categories with each question having a voting range of 1-5.  There is a score for the project being subjected to the test but there is no pass or fail.  For example, the Foundation applied the test to the now defunct Constellation program and its score was 36.5%.  Our guests explained in detail how the test worked and during this segment and part of the second segment, they went through the questions in each of the seven categories.  Listeners had many questions for them including how they planned on measuring the effectiveness of the test and the outcome.  Our guests talked about both the inside and outside means of using the test and getting the results out to the market, policy makers, etc.  One listener asked James & Aaron if the test was jumping the gun since space settlement is far off into the future.  Don’t miss the reply to this question offered by both our guests.  Doug called to talk about applying his Cis Lunar 1 project to the Space Settlement Enabling Test.  Prior to the end of the segment, our guests talked about the importance of insuring sustainability for space settlement and how that was reflected in the test.

In the second segment, we finished going through the balance of the test and then we opened up the discussion for questions.  In discussing the final categories, our guests brought up the issue and importance of space property rights, competition, and the need for a tax payer ROI on public space ventures.  We talked about what may contribute to a public sector ROI.  In the question segment, nuclear propulsion was brought up, our guests were asked if they had applied SLS to the test.  Each of our guests offer us important closing comments and take aways from our discussion.

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Rod Pyle, Sunday, 5-4-14 May 5, 2014

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Rod Pyle, Sunday, 5-4-14

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Guest:  Rod Pyle.  Topics:  We discussed our guests new book, “Innovation The NASA Way” plus our space policy, reusability & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases, including “Innovation The NASA Way,” can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Rod Pyle to the show to discuss his new book, “Innovation The NASA Way: Harnessing The Power Of Your Organization For Breakthrough Success,” plus we talked about our space policy, reusability, and other issues.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 52 minute show, Mr. Pyle started by giving us an overview of his background and experiences that led him to writing this book.  Specifically, Rod led leadership training at NASA’s JSC for executives.  From this background, he used the story telling format to illustrate NASA innovation.  Each chapter tells a different story, several of which we highlighted in our discussion.  Rod mentioned innovation at various NASA centers but did say JPL stood out for him.  When asked for the most innovative NASA projects, he talked about some projects that were left on the editor’s computer including the Apollo Guidance Control Computer but he did focus on and highlight the Lunar Module.  We also talked about NASA today and back in the Apollo days. Rod had much to say about this, including how today there seems to be a push for guaranteed results which of course do not exist.  He said NASA was known by three important key words:  Boldness, Daring and Passion.  Listeners asked about reusability and I mentioned a possible reusability moment similar to the previous Apollo moment.

In the second segment, we talked about his Viking chapter & the Viking experiments.  John from Ft. Worth called in regarding a smaller shuttle plan that might have been less ambitious – would it have been better? Questions came about NewSpace and innovating the SpaceX way!  Doug called and did not think that there would be a Reusability Moment like with Apollo but that reusability enhanced prospects for that type of moment, like a manned Mars mission.  Rod was challenged with questions from the perspective that Apollo was the wrong way to go to and develop space.  We talked about his forthcoming book, “Curiosity: The Inside Story” and our excitement over a potential Europa mission.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above. For more information & to contact Rod, visit his website http://www.rodpylebooks.com.

Dennis Wingo, Sunday, 3-30-14 March 31, 2014

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Dennis Wingo, Sunday, 3-30-14

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Guest:  Dennis Wing.  Topics:  The Wingo SpaceRef article, “The Path Forward In American Space-2014 Edition,” ISS, SLS, budgets.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dennis Wingo back to the program to discuss his ideas as stated in his Space Ref Op-Ed of March 6, 2014, “The Path Forward In American Space-2014 Edition.”  Check  http://spaceref.com/the-path-forward-in-american-space—2014-edition.html.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 46 minute discussion, Dennis began with a space program historical overview going back to JFK, James Webb, early space policy, and the FY 1966 peak NASA budget.  He was making the case that budget problems are not the sole cause for problems in our space policy. Instead, government, NASA and policy makers are choosing programs to spend money on and space has shown a sharp decline in prioritization over a long period of time.  Dennis talked about the three programs consuming large amounts of NASA’s budget but with strong congressional support:  ISS, the James Webb Telescope, and SLS.  He says we muddle along not having sufficient funds to do any of these project properly so he makes the case for SLS and & ISS working together to maximize the potential benefit of each program.  When asked if the Russian political problems might be a game changer for Commercial Crew, he said it was possible but too early to tell.  During this segment, Dennis elaborated on this idea with information, facts, and assumptions.  He then shows how such a plan can produce practical benefits for the American people, a must in modern day space programs.  He also talked about Silicon Valley and their investments in commercial space companies and what this means to the industry.

In the second segment, we talked about needed American public support and ways to influence policy makers, congressional leaders, etc.  We also talked about the media, the specific science and space media, and problems with it.  Dennis mentioned the upcoming comet flyby of Mars and its potential impact on people.  Check out Comet Siding Spring.  Dennis was asked for his action plan to help implement his idea, then he was asked for his thoughts on international participation and for his level of concern over the Chinese lunar program.  He concluded saying that American citizens needed to see practical benefits from our space program, that inspiration, spinoffs, etc. had not worked all that well over the decades as space program drivers.

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Open Lines, Sunday, 2-23-14 February 24, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 2-23-14

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Guests:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  Cubesat markets, cubesat launch restrictions, Mars One, SLS, Falcon, & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcome you to today’s 2 hour 15 minute Open Lines discussion covering a wide range of topics.  Since both segments of the discussion overlapped and covered the same topics, this summary will not be divided into the typical part one and part two segments.  At the beginning, I threw out some possible discussion topics. These topics included my thoughts on the cubesat market becoming saturated due to the very low barriers of entry.  This typically happens in the business cycle leading to failures, buyouts, mergers, etc.  I posed the question if this could happen in the cubesat industry.  I also commented on the FATW issued to Mars One deeming it a suicide mission.  These seemed to be the two most frequently discussed topics on today’s show though SLS and Falcon did enter the discussion.  Regarding the cubesat industry, most callers thought that cubesats would not go the way of traditional businesses with low barriers to entry because the launch side of the industry has a choke hold on deployment of cubesats and so far does have low barriers to entry. The reasoning went something like this:  One could have all the cubesats in the world they wanted but only so many can get launched per year and this puts limits on the potential cubesat market. Many callers and a few email listeners had much to say on this discussion during the entire program.  Now as for the FATWA issued against Mars One deeming it a suicide mission, that too was a popular topic.  Many listeners commented on it as did I though I suggested it probably did not matter since I’m a skeptic that the venture will ever launch, especially given the stated time tables it is working against.  But there were lots of views on the FATWA. Most listeners agreed that Mars One would likely be something on the order of a suicide mission but calling for a FATWA seemed extreme. There were several sarcastic comments and SLS John objected to why we would even spend time talking about it given all the important things going on in space and the space related world.  Later in the second segment, Jeff called in and extended the discussion to SLS which is always volatile on TSS!  Jeff offered us some interesting observations and “givens” regarding SLS as a government program.

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Dr. Wendell Mendell, Tuesday, 12-10-13 December 11, 2013

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Dr. Wendell Mendell, Tuesday, 12-10-13

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Guest:  Dr. Wendell Mendell.  Topics:  His 50 years at NASA, the Moon, lunar base work, congress & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Wendell Mendell back to the show for this two hour discussion (no break) about his 50 years at NASA JSC, lunar bases, commercial space, return to the Moon, the value of the Moon, our space program, space advocacy, commercial space, and lots more.  Dr. Mendell came to work at JSC in 1963 &will be retiring at the end of this year, culminating 50 years at JSC.  During our discussion, Dr. Mendell used lots of stories from his NASA and lunar base work experience to illustrate issues with space policy, NASA, our Congress, and space advocacy, & advanced technology.  Listeners had lots of specific questions for Wendell about lunar bases, water on the Moon and its commercial exploitation, commercial lunar programs, and NASA having a lunar program which Dr. Mendell said it did not.  Dr. Mendell spoke to some of the NASA organizational issues, congressional micromanagement issues and problems, and the nation’s overall economic problems as a reason for not doing this or that in space.  He cited such economic problems as a rational excuse for not doing something meaningful in space in almost every year of his 50 years of NASA experience. The same for threatened, proposed, or even real NASA budget cuts.  Later in the segment when caller Doug called in with his lunar water and development ideas, Dr. Mendell pointed to conflicting LCROSS analysis as to water being on the Moon. Russian instruments do not say the same thing as the Los Alamos instruments and he said this was & still is a hotly debated topic in the lunar community.  As Doug continued talking about his plan, Dr. Mendell backed him up, took him step by step through the process of accomplishing his many goals. This turned out to be a very valuable instructional discussion that all of us can and should benefit from.  Make sure you hear how Wendell breaks down Doug’s points to show the complexities and challenges of each incremental step in what Doug was proposing.  Our guest even showed Doug where some of his steps needed commercial technogly which does not exist! Doug’s rocket of choice is the Falcon Heavy, a rocket which does not yet exist, nor does it have real numbers behind it.  Wendell used this discussion to distinguish true believers from investor and commercial analysts.  He then said when the believer is also able to bring his own money to the venture, things can get done and he cited SpaceX as an example.  Later Doug asked by email if NASA could help private companies develop cislunar transportation as they have helped private companies provide launch services to LEO/GEO. The simple answer was yes but make sure you hear Dr. Mendell’s complete answer to this question.  Another issue discussed was the needed timeline to do a human Moon mission. Wendell described the times of Apollo as compared to the times of NASA today.  We talked about the importance of a better and different NASA and RTM story and again, Dr. Mendell illustrated his points with stories from his past experience.  Spanning 50 years of history and experience was not easy to do in even a two hour Space Show program. As you listen to the program, you will hear many more subjects, stories, and issues discussed than stated in this summary.  In the end, I believe NASA, our nation, and the effort to develop space has been served incredibly well by Dr. Wendell Mendell and his creativity, his drive, his analysis, his commitment, and his work will be genuinely missed by all.  The Space Show wishes Wendell all the best for his coming retirement, gives him a hearty THANK YOU for his service, and we will remain in contact with him and hope to have him back with us at a future time.

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Friday, 12-6-13 December 7, 2013

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Friday, 12-6-13

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We welcomed back Dr. Bruce Cordell for this 1 hour 38 minute discussion of Maslow Windows suggesting the strong possibility of a large & successful expansion of our space program by 2016, including a possible large space project on the order of Apollo or even the turn of the century Panama Canal.  To find out more about Maslow Windows, visit www.21stcenturywaves.com.

In preparation for this program, Dr. Cordell posted this on his site:  http://21stcenturywaves.com/2013/11/21/bruce-returns-to-the-space-show-on-december-6.  Make sure to click on the link for his article “10 Space Trends for 2013-Featuring the Approach of the New International Space Age.”  During our first segment, Dr. Cordell provided us with a brief introduction to Maslow Windows and the historical trends supporting this analysis.  He compared economic and financial times of past large government projects and expansions to our recent times and how we are now evolving towards a large expansion project as was the case many times over the past 200 years.  A key ingredient needed to bring about the changes Dr. Cordell spoke about is the emergency of economic growth and a national ebullient feeling, both of which are absent today.  He also said he was looking to the elections of 2014 and 2016 to produce substantial change, opening the door to the possibility pointed to by his Maslow Window analysis.  In response to one of my questions, Dr. Cordell was clear that change did not necessarily mean changing political parties.  Bruce received several questions from the NewSpace segment of the community, challenging the need for a large government space program and for SLS.  Bruce talked about this at length in both segments as listeners kept this as a front and center topic for the full program.  We also talked about the need for advances in technology to be ripe in order for the expanded space program to happen.  John from Ft. Worth called in with questions related to the Chinese program and Bruce connected dots in this conversation to his analysis.  Among the many things he said, it was clear the project being alluded to did not have to be American and could be Chinese. He also strongly advocated international participation.  We talked about Mars and going first to Phobos or Deimos, then he talked about the failed Phobos-Grunt mission.

We started the second segment with our guest pointing out similarities in JFK’s time to today, including Iran today and the Cuban Missile Crisis for JFK.  Bruce commented about huge changes going on around the world, including here in the U.S. with energy production.  Space education came up, there were lots of comments about our Congress, the administration and public disconnect over space.  This has to change for the Maslow Window to open up and produce the space expansion project.  He also talked about how we live in turbulent times and at least for now, the public and most in government do not have the stomach for the large Apollo like space project.  He said change would bring wealth creation, a better economy, and the people would soon be in a better position to want to do something like another Apollo.  Near the end, we talked about the ISS and its success.  In his concluding remarks, he pointed out that we live in scary times and that global changes were happening very fast.  This fast rate of change is a key predictors of the coming space boom.

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