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Dennis Wingo, Sunday, 3-30-14 March 31, 2014

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Dennis Wingo, Sunday, 3-30-14

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Guest:  Dennis Wing.  Topics:  The Wingo SpaceRef article, “The Path Forward In American Space-2014 Edition,” ISS, SLS, budgets.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dennis Wingo back to the program to discuss his ideas as stated in his Space Ref Op-Ed of March 6, 2014, “The Path Forward In American Space-2014 Edition.”  Check  http://spaceref.com/the-path-forward-in-american-space—2014-edition.html.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 46 minute discussion, Dennis began with a space program historical overview going back to JFK, James Webb, early space policy, and the FY 1966 peak NASA budget.  He was making the case that budget problems are not the sole cause for problems in our space policy. Instead, government, NASA and policy makers are choosing programs to spend money on and space has shown a sharp decline in prioritization over a long period of time.  Dennis talked about the three programs consuming large amounts of NASA’s budget but with strong congressional support:  ISS, the James Webb Telescope, and SLS.  He says we muddle along not having sufficient funds to do any of these project properly so he makes the case for SLS and & ISS working together to maximize the potential benefit of each program.  When asked if the Russian political problems might be a game changer for Commercial Crew, he said it was possible but too early to tell.  During this segment, Dennis elaborated on this idea with information, facts, and assumptions.  He then shows how such a plan can produce practical benefits for the American people, a must in modern day space programs.  He also talked about Silicon Valley and their investments in commercial space companies and what this means to the industry.

In the second segment, we talked about needed American public support and ways to influence policy makers, congressional leaders, etc.  We also talked about the media, the specific science and space media, and problems with it.  Dennis mentioned the upcoming comet flyby of Mars and its potential impact on people.  Check out Comet Siding Spring.  Dennis was asked for his action plan to help implement his idea, then he was asked for his thoughts on international participation and for his level of concern over the Chinese lunar program.  He concluded saying that American citizens needed to see practical benefits from our space program, that inspiration, spinoffs, etc. had not worked all that well over the decades as space program drivers.

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Open Lines, Sunday, 2-23-14 February 24, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 2-23-14

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Guests:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  Cubesat markets, cubesat launch restrictions, Mars One, SLS, Falcon, & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcome you to today’s 2 hour 15 minute Open Lines discussion covering a wide range of topics.  Since both segments of the discussion overlapped and covered the same topics, this summary will not be divided into the typical part one and part two segments.  At the beginning, I threw out some possible discussion topics. These topics included my thoughts on the cubesat market becoming saturated due to the very low barriers of entry.  This typically happens in the business cycle leading to failures, buyouts, mergers, etc.  I posed the question if this could happen in the cubesat industry.  I also commented on the FATW issued to Mars One deeming it a suicide mission.  These seemed to be the two most frequently discussed topics on today’s show though SLS and Falcon did enter the discussion.  Regarding the cubesat industry, most callers thought that cubesats would not go the way of traditional businesses with low barriers to entry because the launch side of the industry has a choke hold on deployment of cubesats and so far does have low barriers to entry. The reasoning went something like this:  One could have all the cubesats in the world they wanted but only so many can get launched per year and this puts limits on the potential cubesat market. Many callers and a few email listeners had much to say on this discussion during the entire program.  Now as for the FATWA issued against Mars One deeming it a suicide mission, that too was a popular topic.  Many listeners commented on it as did I though I suggested it probably did not matter since I’m a skeptic that the venture will ever launch, especially given the stated time tables it is working against.  But there were lots of views on the FATWA. Most listeners agreed that Mars One would likely be something on the order of a suicide mission but calling for a FATWA seemed extreme. There were several sarcastic comments and SLS John objected to why we would even spend time talking about it given all the important things going on in space and the space related world.  Later in the second segment, Jeff called in and extended the discussion to SLS which is always volatile on TSS!  Jeff offered us some interesting observations and “givens” regarding SLS as a government program.

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Dr. Wendell Mendell, Tuesday, 12-10-13 December 11, 2013

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Dr. Wendell Mendell, Tuesday, 12-10-13

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Guest:  Dr. Wendell Mendell.  Topics:  His 50 years at NASA, the Moon, lunar base work, congress & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Wendell Mendell back to the show for this two hour discussion (no break) about his 50 years at NASA JSC, lunar bases, commercial space, return to the Moon, the value of the Moon, our space program, space advocacy, commercial space, and lots more.  Dr. Mendell came to work at JSC in 1963 &will be retiring at the end of this year, culminating 50 years at JSC.  During our discussion, Dr. Mendell used lots of stories from his NASA and lunar base work experience to illustrate issues with space policy, NASA, our Congress, and space advocacy, & advanced technology.  Listeners had lots of specific questions for Wendell about lunar bases, water on the Moon and its commercial exploitation, commercial lunar programs, and NASA having a lunar program which Dr. Mendell said it did not.  Dr. Mendell spoke to some of the NASA organizational issues, congressional micromanagement issues and problems, and the nation’s overall economic problems as a reason for not doing this or that in space.  He cited such economic problems as a rational excuse for not doing something meaningful in space in almost every year of his 50 years of NASA experience. The same for threatened, proposed, or even real NASA budget cuts.  Later in the segment when caller Doug called in with his lunar water and development ideas, Dr. Mendell pointed to conflicting LCROSS analysis as to water being on the Moon. Russian instruments do not say the same thing as the Los Alamos instruments and he said this was & still is a hotly debated topic in the lunar community.  As Doug continued talking about his plan, Dr. Mendell backed him up, took him step by step through the process of accomplishing his many goals. This turned out to be a very valuable instructional discussion that all of us can and should benefit from.  Make sure you hear how Wendell breaks down Doug’s points to show the complexities and challenges of each incremental step in what Doug was proposing.  Our guest even showed Doug where some of his steps needed commercial technogly which does not exist! Doug’s rocket of choice is the Falcon Heavy, a rocket which does not yet exist, nor does it have real numbers behind it.  Wendell used this discussion to distinguish true believers from investor and commercial analysts.  He then said when the believer is also able to bring his own money to the venture, things can get done and he cited SpaceX as an example.  Later Doug asked by email if NASA could help private companies develop cislunar transportation as they have helped private companies provide launch services to LEO/GEO. The simple answer was yes but make sure you hear Dr. Mendell’s complete answer to this question.  Another issue discussed was the needed timeline to do a human Moon mission. Wendell described the times of Apollo as compared to the times of NASA today.  We talked about the importance of a better and different NASA and RTM story and again, Dr. Mendell illustrated his points with stories from his past experience.  Spanning 50 years of history and experience was not easy to do in even a two hour Space Show program. As you listen to the program, you will hear many more subjects, stories, and issues discussed than stated in this summary.  In the end, I believe NASA, our nation, and the effort to develop space has been served incredibly well by Dr. Wendell Mendell and his creativity, his drive, his analysis, his commitment, and his work will be genuinely missed by all.  The Space Show wishes Wendell all the best for his coming retirement, gives him a hearty THANK YOU for his service, and we will remain in contact with him and hope to have him back with us at a future time.

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Friday, 12-6-13 December 7, 2013

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Friday, 12-6-13

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We welcomed back Dr. Bruce Cordell for this 1 hour 38 minute discussion of Maslow Windows suggesting the strong possibility of a large & successful expansion of our space program by 2016, including a possible large space project on the order of Apollo or even the turn of the century Panama Canal.  To find out more about Maslow Windows, visit www.21stcenturywaves.com.

In preparation for this program, Dr. Cordell posted this on his site:  http://21stcenturywaves.com/2013/11/21/bruce-returns-to-the-space-show-on-december-6.  Make sure to click on the link for his article “10 Space Trends for 2013-Featuring the Approach of the New International Space Age.”  During our first segment, Dr. Cordell provided us with a brief introduction to Maslow Windows and the historical trends supporting this analysis.  He compared economic and financial times of past large government projects and expansions to our recent times and how we are now evolving towards a large expansion project as was the case many times over the past 200 years.  A key ingredient needed to bring about the changes Dr. Cordell spoke about is the emergency of economic growth and a national ebullient feeling, both of which are absent today.  He also said he was looking to the elections of 2014 and 2016 to produce substantial change, opening the door to the possibility pointed to by his Maslow Window analysis.  In response to one of my questions, Dr. Cordell was clear that change did not necessarily mean changing political parties.  Bruce received several questions from the NewSpace segment of the community, challenging the need for a large government space program and for SLS.  Bruce talked about this at length in both segments as listeners kept this as a front and center topic for the full program.  We also talked about the need for advances in technology to be ripe in order for the expanded space program to happen.  John from Ft. Worth called in with questions related to the Chinese program and Bruce connected dots in this conversation to his analysis.  Among the many things he said, it was clear the project being alluded to did not have to be American and could be Chinese. He also strongly advocated international participation.  We talked about Mars and going first to Phobos or Deimos, then he talked about the failed Phobos-Grunt mission.

We started the second segment with our guest pointing out similarities in JFK’s time to today, including Iran today and the Cuban Missile Crisis for JFK.  Bruce commented about huge changes going on around the world, including here in the U.S. with energy production.  Space education came up, there were lots of comments about our Congress, the administration and public disconnect over space.  This has to change for the Maslow Window to open up and produce the space expansion project.  He also talked about how we live in turbulent times and at least for now, the public and most in government do not have the stomach for the large Apollo like space project.  He said change would bring wealth creation, a better economy, and the people would soon be in a better position to want to do something like another Apollo.  Near the end, we talked about the ISS and its success.  In his concluding remarks, he pointed out that we live in scary times and that global changes were happening very fast.  This fast rate of change is a key predictors of the coming space boom.

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Dr. Taylor Dark, Tuesday, 11-5-13 November 6, 2013

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Dr. Taylor Dark, Tuesday, 11-5-13

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Guest:  Dr. Taylor Dark.   Topics:  Space advocacy per his chapter “Reclaiming The Future: Space Advocacy And The Idea Of Progress.”  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Taylor Dark to the program to discuss his chapter on space advocacy, “Reclaiming The Future: Space Advocacy And The Idea Of Progress.” Dr. Dark’s chapter appeared in a NASA book around 2007, The Societal Impact of Spaceflight.  The .pdf version is a free download at http://history.nasa.gov/sp4801-part1.pdf.  You can read Dr. Dark’s chapter at www.taylordark.com/NASA%20Chapter.pdf.  For more information about our guest, please visit his website, www.taylordark.com. I urge you to read Dr. Dark’s chapter before listening to this program.  During the first segment of our 2 hour 1 minute discussion, Dr. Dark told us about his space advocacy background given that he started the first high school L5 organization when he was around 14 years old.  From there, we talked about aspects of space advocacy and specific personalities such as Dr. Zubrin and Taylor’s early fascination with O’Neill colonies.  He then described his shift to a different view of advocacy during his undergraduate college days.  Taylor went into detail about advocacy being connected to the idea of progress for humanity and listed three major space advocacy claims: (1) No limits on growth or human capacity; (2) All good things go together meaning elements of progress are linked together & are reinforcing; (3) Innate Directionality meaning progress is always probable.  He discussed these claims on air but he goes into them in detail in his chapter.  The utopian or messianic view of some advocates was discussed.  Dr. Dark also pointed out that space advocacy was not the only outlet for science, progress for humanity, etc.  Next, he talked about the frontier idea which he said was a weak argument.  He cited many national experiences that had had no frontier and have done well with their space program.  A listener asked our guest for his three top space arguments which were space exploration for more understanding of the universe, planetary defense of potential NEO hits, & commercial activity that was really profitable.  John called in to talk about the need for low cost space access and RLVs which would in turn cause space advocates to engage in lots of potentially profitable ventures. 

In our second segment, Doug called to talk about the probable costs of the O’Neill vision including the lunar base, SSP, & the habitat.  He suggested space tourism was a potential scalable profitable venture and he talked about space and lunar settlement.  Doug also talked about propellant in Earth orbit and satellites from LEO to GEO.  I spoke with Doug about project financing and how commercial or public sector project viability is analyzed which was different from what Doug talked about.  Taylor suggested that advocates don’t typically engage in something like project financing, instead opting for solutions that fit their advocacy agenda.  Taylor talked about the challenges of many advocacy claims including HE3 and fusion and the need for large space settlements.  As we were ending the discussion, Taylor was asked about the possible impact of microbial life being discovered, past or present, or ET.  We also talked about advocacy for inspiration & education and the impact of the Chinese program on advocacy and civil/commercial space. 

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Dr. James (Jim) Hansen, Tuesday, 10-1-13 October 2, 2013

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Dr. James (Jim) Hansen, Tuesday, 10-1-13

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Guest:  Dr. James Hansen.  Topics: Retired astronaut John Young, space history, returning tothe Moon, astronaut safety & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. James (Jim) Hansen back to the program to discuss the biography of retired astronaut John Young which Dr. Hansen helped in writing.  The book, “Forever Young A Life Of Adventure in Air and Space,” is readily available at bookstores and Amazon. Remember, if you go through The Space Show/OGLF Amazon portal (instructions are on the blog, our website & the OGLF website), Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show.  The first segment of our nearly two hour program, Dr. Hansen and I started out with an early aviation history overview as I asked our guest about the idea that in space we are as advanced today as was the DC-3 to where aviation is today.  This proved to be an interesting discussion, focusing not just on the DC-3 but NACA, the role of government in helping to develop advanced technologies and much more.  We then turned our attention John Young.  As you will hear, the book we are discussing was a biography written in first person and Jim was asked to help make it so.  We talked about Young’s focus on both astronaut safety and the NEO threat to Earth.  We talked about John Young both on Apollo and his shuttle flights.  The subject of space and aviation history came up again and we talked about the Enola Gay and what it took to display it at the Smithsonian as there was lots of opposition to doing so.  Dr. Hansen then returned to the John Young book, he told us about his suggestions to turn Young’s manuscript into a book & he described working with John and his wife on the project.  Space history was also a topic in this segment as we talked about historians and authors often having their work amended by later versions of the history.  Dr. Hansen cited some very famous examples when I said I wanted to rewrite my dissertation and correct my errors.

In the second segment, Jim was asked about John Young and Mars.  Jim said that John’s preference was returning to the Moon, plus his focus on his concern for NEOs hitting Earth.  But he did support being a multi-planet species.  We asked Jim about his preference or comparison of Apollo & the Saturn 5 to the shuttle.  Jim told us that John loved the shuttle and was fortunate to fly two shuttle missions.  Doug called in and wanted to know Jim’s perspective as a historian on the space frontier model common among space enthusiasts.  The frontier metaphor sparked quite the conversation with the three of us.  Dr. Hansen returned to talking about John Young’s interest in returning to the Moon and why.  Much was said in both segments about how shuttle should not have been cancelled nor should Constellation have been cancelled.  Ben emailed us about astronauts and role models and do they have a responsibility to us in being role models.  This also sparked an extensive conversation about astronauts, their role in society, what we make them into. Toward the end, Jim and I digressed into other areas of space, aviation, and political history.  We talked about the Cuban Missile Crisis, I cited memories of B 52′s at the ready at the Tulsa Municipal Airport, the remaining Moon Walker Astronauts, private sector lunar astronauts as a possibility before government astronauts return to the Moon, and digressions about Alabama, Oklahoma, and Jim’s next book about Robert Trent Jones and golf. Also in both segments, Dr. Hansen often referred to Neil Armstrong and his book about Neil which we discussed the last time Jim was our guest.

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Dr. Robert Zubrin, Tuesday, 8-6-13 August 7, 2013

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Dr. Robert Zubrin, Tuesday, 8-6-13

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 Guest:  Dr. Robert (Bob) Zubrin.  Topics:  The 16 Annual Mars Society Convention, radiation, HSF to Mars, Mars One, Inspiration Mars.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  PLEASE NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE ATTENDING THE CONFERENCE AND WOULD LIKE TO BE A ROVING REPORTER FOR THE SPACE SHOW WITH CELL PHONE REPORTS, PLEASE EMAIL ME.

We welcomed Dr. Robert (Bob) Zubrin back to the program to discuss the upcoming Mars Society 16th Annual Conference, Mars human spaceflight, Inspiration Mars, Curiosity, RAD, radiation levels, Mars One and much more.  For more information about the conference, visit http://www.marssociety.org/conventions/2013.  For information about The Mars Society, visit http://www.marssociety.org/home.  During our one hour discussion with Dr. Zubrin, we started our talking about the main conference speakers including Dennis Tito and Dr. Steven Squyres, among others.  In talking about Dennis Tito coming to the conference, we spent time discussing the Tito Inspiration Mars mission.  Bob had much to say about this mission, the likelihood of mission success, radiation issues, equipment and life support issues, and more.  In talking about radiation and the Curiosity RAD findings, Bob had much to say about NASA and their willingness to do a Mars HSF mission.  We took several listener emails and a call about radiation & even the use of nuclear propulsion to shorten the transit time for less radiation exposure for the crew.  Bob suggested that if we had nuclear propulsion, he would not increase the transit time (listen to his reason why which has to do with orbits & a free return to Earth), but he would increase the payload to take additional spare parts & life support equipment as he said equipment failures were a major risk factor on such a mission.  Bob talked some more about successes in the private sector, including SpaceX. He was also asked if SLS was necessary and he said he believed in more than one source for a launch vehicle and he supports heavy lift.  He also talked about the importance of government infrastructure and launch services for the future.  Don’t miss this discussion.  Later in the segment, Bob talked about the Mars Society 365 Mission (see http://ma365.marssociety.org).  Bob described this mission, why it is so important & why we should support it.  Jane emailed a question about Bob’s National Review article we mentioned, “Remembering Ploesti,” from August 3 (http://nationalreview.com/node/355074/print) and after extrapolating to today, wondered if humanity was ready for human spaceflight to Mars.  Bob provided us with an exceptional response to Jane’s question and comment so please listen and take note of what he said. I believe it to be very important.  As the program was ending, Ben wanted Bob to clarify his position on choosing either the Moon or Mars.  Don’t miss this response.  Bob left us with concluding comments to do something and support something.

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Sara Howard, Sunday, 8-4-13 August 5, 2013

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Sara Howard, Sunday, 8-4-13

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Guest:  Sara Howard.  Topics:  Sara’s new book, “Mischief at Michoud” and her work at Michoud during the Apollo era.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Sara Howard to the program to tell us about her newest book, “Mischief at Michoud” which is available through Amazon.com.  For those of you buying Sara’s book, please use the simple Amazon directions on The Space Show website/blog or the OGLF Amazon portal, www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm so that Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 31 minute program, Sara talked about her time at NASA Michoud in Louisiana from 1965-67 as one of only two women who worked on the first stage, the SI-C stage, of the Saturn V rocket.  Sara described the work environment, the NASA Michoud facility, and the type of work she and others did at the time.  During the segment, retired NASA Apollo era worker John called in and our guest and the caller talked with each other about their respective projects and the work they did to help us get to the Moon.  It was most interesting listening to the stories and experiences of those that helped make going to the Moon a reality for the U.S.

In the second segment, we spent more time with our guest talking about specific chapters in her book. Sara has a great sense of humor and many of the chapters not only have funny and tantalizing titles, but she tells a great story to go along with them.  Some of her stories about not trusting computers and favoring slide rules were not only entertaining but informative.  We talked about how Sara’s friend and Sara were treated as women in a largely male dominated workforce. You might be surprised by what our guest had to say about this along with some of the jokes played on her at the time.  One of her book chapters, “My Terror,” caught my attention and we learned that there were self-destruct explosive charges in each Saturn V fuel tank and that was their fear that they would have to destroy a vehicle.  Sara was asked about the chapter addressing faking the Moon landings. She had much to say about this that you will want to hear.  Star Trek also comes into the workplace and you will want to hear this story as well.  Toward the end, John called back and Sara & John talked about the average age and education of those working on Apollo and attempts were made to compare back then to today.  Sara can be found on Facebook which is where she has all her information and more. Just search for “Sara Howard.”

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Dr. Dennis Bushnell, Tuesday, 7-23-13 July 24, 2013

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Dr. Dennis Bushnell, Tuesday, 7-23-13

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Guest:  Dr. Dennis Bushnell.   Topics:  We discussed Dr. Bushnell’s paper, TRL for space development & how best to move forward with civil space.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back to the program Dr. Dennis Bushnell, the NASA Langley Research Center Chief Scientist.  Dr. Bushnell discussed his paper, “Advanced-to-Revolutionary Space Technology Options-The Responsibly Imaginable.” which can be downloaded at http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20130011698_2013011376.pdf.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 26 minute show, Dr. Bushnell summarized the findings in his paper and talked about how we are still building on technologies from the 50′s and 60′s that were based on “living better with chemistry” and ICBMs.  We began talking about advanced propulsion including nuclear, but our guest made it clear throughout our discussion that what was needed was a reduction in the cost of space access by a magnitude of 10, not by two which is what is happening with new commercial rockets coming on line.  In fact, later in the show when discussing commercial space, Dr. Bushnell was clear that to close a commercial space business plan the reduction in launch costs by a factor of ten was absolutely essential!  I asked our guest to tell us where the bottlenecks were and he said it was in the culture & big cultural changes were required to move forward.  He also talked about the need to experiment and try lots of options and ideas, to triage them, down select, fly them, and choose the best based on the engineering process he described.  We talked about the low technology readiness level (TRL) of many of today’s space ideas and technologies, that we have become focused on instant or near instant gratification but that the process he was talking about would extend over a 25 year period.  Given this, his paper is a frank and factual discussion of many of our space industry segments, a no nonsense, no Kool Aid TRL analysis of much of what we talk about and say we can now do in space or will be doing in the near term.  Safety was discussed, including microgravity, radiation, plus a mention of unknowns regarding what we already know about gut bacteria exposed to radiation given our limited amount of research on this topic to date. A listener asked him about physics as a main reason for space exploration and contrasted that to settlement as the main reason for HSF. Another listener asked him about his mentioning USAF comments that indicated space was a mature and declining industry.  We began talking about commercial space, but we talked about it through the second segment as well.  In this segment, Dennis talked about how we have created economic growth in the past but now we have not only the challenge of economic growth but sustainable jobs and sustaining our standard of living.  Terraforming Mars was discussed as part of our discussion about Inspiration Mars and Mars One HSF missions to Mars.  As this segment ended, a listener asked him about suborbital space and citizen science projects.

In the second segment, John Hunt called in to talk about the high cost of many advanced space technologies, plus he wanted updates on LENR (this used to be called cold fusion).  Dr. Bushnell had much to say about LENR and it potential, we talked about Rossi, and the NASA work being done to better understand LENR effects. With an understanding of it, funding would not be as big a problem as it is today.  He also said LENR had the potential to be transmutational.  Our guest suggested that for more information, we visit the Larsen LENR slideshow:  www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/slideshows.  Again, he pointed to cultural issues as major stumbling blocks to this research.  In returning to the focus of his paper, he said there was no shortage of ideas but the culture was preventing them from being tried, tested, and exploited.  Rocket reusability was brought up, our guest mentioned the SpaceX Grasshopper work, and he was asked about SLS and fuel depots.  I asked about BLEO issues and radiation.  In response to another question, he said that were he the space guru, he would focus on “energy” and structural materials. You will want to hear this discussion. Later, Tim called from Huntsville about radiation and HSF to Mars, as well as the economics of the Big Dumb Booster.  I asked Dennis about the target audience for his paper and he said it was meant for NASA and the world since space fairing is a world endeavor. He again talked about potential revolutionary technologies which are needed and which would benefit all of us.  He repeated that we must do the difficult and take the risk and invest.  We also need to look forward with multiyear planning.  Near the end of the program, Dennis was asked about space elevators which he was not enthusiastic about.  Again, he repeated that we needed to make investments to raise our TRL levels.  At the end, I asked why space does not rise to importance in presidential campaigns & elections.  He said space was very good as an Earth utility but beyond that, there was no clear basis for most of it and that was the problem. Don’t miss his comments on this topic.  Our final topic was his assessment of commercial space given his years spent working on it with NASA including budgets into the hundreds of millions to find a way to close a commercial space business case for commercializing the ISS and other things.  This is a very important short discussion, don’t miss it.

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Dr. Buzz Aldrin, Monday, 5-13-13 May 14, 2013

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Dr. Buzz Aldrin, Monday, 5-13-13

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Guest:  Dr. Buzz Aldrin.  Topics:  Buzz talks about his Unified Space Vision, Mars settlement and his new book, “Mission to Mars: My Vision for Space Exploration.” Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed back Buzz Aldrin to discuss his Unified Space Vision (USV) including Martian settlement, plus his new book, “Mission To Mars: My Vision for Space Exploration.”  Leonard David was the co-author of the book.  Visit www.buzzaldrin.com for more about the book and new, upcoming projects related to the book and the Aldrin vision. The book is available as hardback and as an e-book. If you use either of these links with Amazon to buy the book, Amazon will make a donation to The Space Show/OGLF: (hardback) www.amazon.com/Mission-Mars-Vision-Space-Exploration/dp/1426210175/ref=onegiantlea20 and (Kindle) www.amazon.com/Mission-Mars-Vision-Exploration-ebook/dp/B008EDPMB2/ref=onegiantlea20.  During our 94 minute program in one long segment, Buzz started out by describing his Unified Space Vision (USV) and its five main components, exploration, science, development, commercial, & security.  Buzz also introduced us to the United Strategic Space Enterprise (USSE) which forms a integral part of his Mars vision.  We discussed the role of China, India, Russia, the ISS, and why we should not engage in a Moon race with China.  In fact, part of the USV includes an international lunar post but not publicly funded by American taxpayers.  John in Hawaii asked about PISCES validating INSITU technologies, then Buzz was asked to explain his Mars cycler concept and orbits.  Following this discussion, Dr. Rowe called in to raise specific human factors health concerns regarding dust issues, Moonwalker astronauts EKG results, and down the road genetic modification for long duration spaceflight and settlement.  I then asked Buzz about the role of space tourism in his vision as well as the need for SLS.  Dr. Paul Deer called in from Cambridge in the UK to ask Buzz about risk taking.  Listeners emailed Buzz about the proposed NASA asteroid retrieval mission which Buzz said was a distraction.  Don’t miss his comments on this issue.  Another listener wanted to know why Phobos rather than Mars.  We talked about the ILDC and the concept of the international lunar base as a stepping stone for going on to Mars.  We also talked about more uses for the ISS, including inflatables, to support the USV.  Near the end of the show, John called Buzz to inquire about the space exploration contribution to student7 youth inspiration, STEM, and science development.  Buzz confirmed all of these as beneficiaries of space exploration and development.  I urge you to read this book and check back at the Buzz Aldrin website for updates and book/USV related projects.

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