Jon Goff, Friday, 3-15-13 March 16, 2013
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: Altius Space Machines, benefit sharing, Columbus expedition, Compactly-Stowable Long-Reach Spacecraft Robotic Manipulators (arms), DARPA, Direct to Station Deliveries, Gecko Gripper Touch-to-Grasp tool, ISS, Jon Goff, JPL, Kickstarter., Lunar Patent, Microsat free flyer, Moon Treaty, Plug and Play, robotic mission, satellite servicing, Selenian Boondocks Blog, space property rights, Spain, Sticky Boom, U.N. space treaties. MINION Project.
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Jon Goff, Friday, 3-15-13
Guest: Jon Goff. Topics: The Lunar Patent concept and Altius Space Machines company updates. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog,
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We welcomed Jon Goff, President and CEO of Altius Space Machines, back to The Space Show for this 60 minute discussion focusing both on the idea of a lunar patent and Altius company projects and updates. I suggest you read and follow along with these websites and blogs:
http://selenianboondocks.com
;
http://altius-space.com
, and Jon’s blog article about the lunar patent concept
http://selenianboondocks.com/2013/01/random-thoughts-columbus-article-link-and-lunar-patents
. For the first part of our hour long discussion with Jon, we focused on the lunar patent idea. Jon got the idea to write about it on his blog from Mike Mealling’s own blog post on his RocketForge blog, “Lessons in exploration from Columbus and the Spanish Crown” at
http://rocketforge.org/2013/01/10/lessons-in-exploration-from-columbus-and-the-spanish-crown.html
. Jon spent time with us going over the history of how and why the Spanish crown put forth the Columbus expedition which he said was all about getting patents along the trade routes. Jon applied this concept to lunar development explaining how it might work. He also suggested this might be an end run around the absence of property rights and the terms of the U.N. space treaties. Listeners asked questions about how a patent might work, would it need to be issued by an international entity to be enforceable, and how could it be enforced. This brought up the question of benefit sharing and terms & concepts such as those found in the Moon Treaty. Jon said he was interested in feedback, especially from the space legal community so please share your thoughts on The Space Show blog. During the balance of our time with Jon, he told us about his company plans, new ideas, SBIRs, and SAA agreements to develop a new breed of robotic arms. We talked about tools for satellite service and possible ISS free flyers. Jon told us about their project with Nanoracks, DARPA, and JPL. He also described MINION which is a project with NASA LArc for an extendable/retractable arm that could operate inside the ISS. You can read about this project on Jon’s Selenian Boondocks blog. A listener asked him about using Kickstarter for funding new projects and another listener was interested in hearing more about Jon’s plans for Altius in the future.
If you have comments/questions for Jon Goff, please post them on The Space Show blog. You can reach Jon through the Altius website, his blog, or through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.
Dr. Henry Hertzfeld, Tuesday, 3-5-13 March 6, 2013
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: " SpaceX, asteroid mining, astronaut rescue, benefit sharing, business predictability, Chinese Space Program, commercial space, Dr. Henry Hertzfeld, EELV, FAR, human spaceflight, Inspiration Mars, launch rates, lower launch costs, Mars, Mars one, moving a NEO, Return to the Moon, robotic spaceflight, rocket reusability, Space Act Agreement, space business environment, space market issues., space migration, space property rights, space solar power, space wars, species survival through space
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Dr. Henry Hertzfeld, Tuesday, 3-5-13
Guest: Dr. Henry Hertzfeld. Topics: Commercial space, Mars, human spaceflight, regulations & economics. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog,
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We welcomed Dr. Henry Hertzfeld back to the show for a fascinating 90 minute discussion regarding commercial space, human spaceflight (HSF), recently announced HSF Mars missions, increasing the launch rate, and more. During our initial segment, Dr. Hertzfeld addressed my question about lowering launch prices to increase the launch rate. Dr. Hertzfeld did a classic economic study on this subject several years ago and I asked him if today’s current market and commercial space progress had altered his earlier conclusions. He said no. Later, I asked if space solar power (SSP) could drive launch rates down. The short answer was no but don’t miss what he had to say about SSP economics, launches, and debris issues. Jerry emailed in a question about SpaceX being a commercial company given its receipt of government money. Henry had much to say about what makes a company commercial or not and if it is even an important issue. Another listener wanted to know about the deep space commercial ventures announced in 2012 and in 2013. The listener wanted to know if these were really commercial ventures, if regulations could stop them, and what would happen re the ventures needing property rights or the equivalent. One of the things our guest reiterated several times during our discussion was the need for stability and predictability for the commercial industry. Questions came in about benefit sharing and he mentioned the likelihood that some sort of international system would develop on these issues. I asked what constituted an acceptable ROI and the example of controlled ROIs as in the utility industry came up. Doug wanted to know about rocket reusability and its impact on launch costs. We also talked about both Mars One and the new Inspiration Mars mission. As part of this discussion, astronaut rescue and the rescue treaty were discussed. In the second segment, Doug called to discuss property rights for a NEO as opposed to the Moon, wondering if the Moon might be more valuable. Doug & Henry talked about our having returned lunar rockets as a model for commercially returning lunar products but Henry suggested there might be a difference in returning something for science as compared to commercial exploitation. Later, we addressed human spaceflight and its challenges. The Chinese space program was brought up as was the risk of a space war. Dr. Hertzfeld was asked about putting 10,000 people on Mars, space migration, species survival, space settlement, and the need to explore as possible drivers for HSF. My final question pertained to our evolving to a business friendly environment in space. Simply put, we are not there yet.
Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above. You can email Dr. Hertzfeld through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.
Jim Keravala, Shackleton Energy Co., Friday, 12-14-12 December 15, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: benefit sharing, capital markets, Cislunar space, energy crisis, Geostationary, global economy, infrastructure investment, insitu resource usage, ISS, ITAR, Jim Keravala, Kessler limits, LEO, Moon, Propellant Depots, public/private partnerships, Shackleton Energy Company, Shackleton Energy timelines, Shackleton industrial astronauts, space debris, space finance, SSP, Surrey Satellite, technology transfer, U.S. economy, water ice at lunar poles
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Jim Keravala, Shackleton Energy Co., Friday, 12-14-12
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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12 November 28, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: Apollo landing site preservation, Austria space law, benefit sharing, Code of Conduct, commercial space, CubeSat, delineation of outer space, EnviSat., ITAR, Law of the Sea Treaty, limited liability laws, Michael Listner, Moon Treaty, Outer Space Treaty, space debris, space law 2012, space policy, space property rights, suborbital space, TCBMs
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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12
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Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12 November 21, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: "Outer Space Development, benefit sharing, capitalism, citizen science, commercial space development, Common Heritage of Mankind, creating an ideological shift, Dr. Edythe (Edy) Weeks, environmental issues, giggle factor, IAF, International Institute of Space Law, international relations, International Relations and Space Law: A Method for Elucidating Seeds, NewSpace, nonprofit, private investment, public/private partnerships, revenue sharing, space entrepreneurism, space law, space mining, space property rights. The Outer Space Treaty, space resources, space tourism, tattoos, taxes, The Moon Treaty, United Nations, venture capital
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Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12
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http://blogs.webster.edu/globalthinking/blog/2012/07/16/outer-space-development-is-subject-of-new-book-by-hpirs-edythe-weeks/#more-2802
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Michael Listner, Monday, 1-2-12 January 2, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: arbitration agreements, Article 9 of the Outer Space Treaty, Austrian domestic space law, benefit sharing, careers in space law, Chinese space policy, DOD space, Draft Treaty On The Prevention Of The Placement Of Weapons In Outer Space, ESA, European Code of Conduct For Outer Space Activities, FAA, Google Lunar X-Prize, Indian space policy, international treaties, ISS, launching country, Liability Convention, lunar artifacts, lunar mineral extraction, Michael Listner, Moon Treaty, NASA, New Space, Outer Space Treaty, Registration Convention, rogue nations, SLS, space law, space property rights, space weapons, The Space Review, The Threat Or Use Of Force Against Outer Space Objects (PPWT)., Transparency and Confidence-Building Measures (TCBMs), United Nations space treaties, voluntary agreement
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Michael Listner, Monday, 1-2-12
Guest: Michael Listner. Topics: National and international space law issues including property rights, the Moon Treaty & more. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog,
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. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomes Michael Listner to the program to discuss national and international space law issues and related matters. We started out discussing the new Austrian domestic space law and inquiring of our guest why we should take note of this Austrian law here in the U.S. As you will hear from Mr. Listner, the new Austrian law relates specifically to the UN space treaties and plays a role in international space law. Our guest wrote a recent article on this subject in The Space Review on Dec. 12, 2011. You can read his article at www.thespacereview.com/article/1988/1. Another interesting article of his you might value is in DefensePolicy.org from July 7, 2011 and titled “TCBMs: A New Definition and New Role for Outer Space Security.” You can download it at www.defensepolicy.org/2011/michlis/tcbms-a-new-definition-and-new-role-for-outer-space-security. Our discussion then focused on launching country issues and liability, satellite operations in different countries and both the Liability and the Registration U.N. Conventions. This discussion led us to talking about the European Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities and Michael updated us on the status of this voluntary agreement, both on the international front as well as here in the U.S. Other issues discussed in this segment included space debris and the Draft Russian Chinese Treaty On The Prevention Of The Placement Of Weapons In Outer Space (PPWT). We also talked about the Chinese GPS system covering Asia, its military focus, and Chinese geo political intersects. Michael then introduced us to Transparency and Confidence Building Measures (TCBMs) as alternatives to treaties. This prompted several listener questions and comments about “so called” government transparency, the word of governments, and their effectiveness so far. This was an interesting discussion, especially when I asked our guest for his personal opinion on these types of agreements. Space tourism became a subject and we spent some time on the liability issues and the states that have passed liability protection laws for the space companies. Jack from Virginia was listening and provided us with important information about the Virginia law which he largely authored and which has become a model for the laws in Florida, Texas, and New Mexico. We spent the rest of the first segment talking about liability and space tourism issues. In the second segment, Helen asked if funding levels for NASA and space interests correlated to up’s and downs in space policy. As you will hear, most policy is driven by politics, not funding levels. There were lots of questions about the legality of the Moon Treaty and its applicability to commercial space, even Google Lunar X Prize contestants. We fielded questions on lunar mineral extractions as well as messing with Apollo artifacts on the Moon. We then jumped over to property rights and what this actually means regarding space issues. As we were nearing the end of our discussion, I asked Michael if space law was largely an academic field or if it was becoming a career choice field in terms of practical application. He said it was becoming more and more practical and more and more schools were offering commercial law classes. If you have comments or questions for Michael Listner, please post them on the blog URL above.
