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Dr. Tom Matula, Friday, 2-7-14 February 7, 2014

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Dr. Tom Matula, Friday, 2-7-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2182-BWB-2014-02-07.mp3

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Guest:  Dr. Tom Matula.  Topics:  Space settlements known as astrosettlements, commercial space development.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Tom Matula back to The Space Show for a 1 hour 46 minute discussion about Tom’s concept for space settlements known as astrosettlements.  His Power Point presentation given at the ISDC 2013 has been uploaded to The Space Show blog for your review.  In the first segment of today’s program, I started out asking about one of Tom’s previous theories, the Space Development Bank.  From there, we jumped to astrosettlements which Tom believes will be market driven so we discussed some of the market factors that could drive these settlements.  Astrosettlements are orbital and would be designed for 500 to 1,000 inhabitants.  He listed three characteristics for the astrosettlements and we discussed each one.  The three included the need to be autonomous, mobile, and expandable.  Doug called from S. California to talk about and clarify market demand.  This led Tom to discuss the potential of the SpaceX Dragon Lab.  He also talked about suborbital with his understanding that the killer part of suborbital would not be space tourism but instead atmospheric research.  I asked Tom for timelines for the astrosettlements and he said 2-3 decades. This sparked further discussion.  When I asked for the starting point to develop the astrosettlements, Tom said we would need to develop virtual world models.  This resulted in a rather comprehensive discussion of modeling in the virtual world with Charles calling in to disagree across the board with our guest.

In the second segment, I read a lengthy email from Carl in San Antonio that deal the lunar development, the Moon Treaty, Common Heritage of Mankind and benefit sharing issues.  Don’t miss this discussion. Paul Turner both emailed in and called regarding how to profitably develop real estate in orbit, and why it is financially sustainable.  Paul has a book coming out on this topic so we will hear more about this later on.  More timeline questions came up regarding astrosettlements and the potential early market drivers which might include intellectual property, early materials manufacturing, and raw materials.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show Blog URL above.  Tom has a blog you should check out, www.wealthofspace.com.  You can reach Tom through me or his blog.

Dr. Matula’s ISDC 2013 presentation is here:  HALE ISDC

Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12 November 21, 2012

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Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1897-BWB-2012-11-20.mp3

Guest:  Dr Edythe (Edy) Weeks.  Topics: We discussed her book, various commercial space development models, benefit sharing & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Dr. Edythe (Edy) Weeks to the program to discuss her book, “Outer Space Development, International Relations and Space Law: A Method for Elucidating Seeds.” You can buy her book on Amazon & if you use the following URL, Amazon will contribute to The Space Show/OGLF: www.amazon.com/Outer-Space-Development-International-Relations/dp/1443839655/ref=onegiantlea20.  During our first segment of this 2.5 hour discussion, Dr. Weeks introduced us to her book and the need to understand space development from an international relations perspective.  We talked about how the industry has evolved over the last 20+ years, innovations such as citizen science suborbital missions, new commercial players, & innovative business ideas such as asteroid mining.  Dr. Weeks talked extensively about the need for an ideological shift toward space throughout the non-space population & within our global educational systems.  When Todd from San Diego emailed Edy as to how to create the ideological shift, that opened a discussion on how such shifts are created.  It was very interesting that one of the major examples cited by our guest included the growth & popularity of tattoos.  This sparked quite a conversation, some of it laced with humor, lots of fun, but also relevant points to our discussion.  As our segment was ending, our guest talked about the need to include other perspectives in the space benefits, those coming from outside the STEM fields.
     In our second & very long segment, I opened up asking Edy about the ideas in her book in support of benefit sharing & the Common Heritage of Mankind concepts found in some of the U.N. space treaties.  This discussion prevailed for the balance of our program as our guest is looking for new and different business & social models for space to be more inclusive which she believes will lead to more space commerce.  I took a challenging & argumentative position throughout most of the discussion in explaining why most in the NewSpace and commercial space industries do not support benefit sharing and why. We talked about the need for property rights & why such rights would facilitate commercial development.  Dr. Weeks was not supportive of the property rights positions, looking more for space development to accomplish much needed social change and reform around the world. Also, she made the case that property rights were not needed nor supported by the treaties & their working papers. Dr. Weeks did clarify her position regarding capitalism, the U.S., commercial space companies & benefit sharing ideas so don’t miss her clarification. Let us know your thoughts on our blog. Tax revenues were discussed but as you will hear, our guest focuses on actual benefit sharing beyond tax payments to help create wealth for everyone, including those that would be the recipient of the benefit sharing programs & the commercial space business.  We talked about voluntary charitable giving as compared to mandatory or government required giving through benefit sharing.  I cited Microsoft & Google models for why private sector giving with the pursuit of business unfettered by government induced benefit sharing is better.  Tim called in to express his very strong views in support of the private sector & his opposition to reallocation of resources regardless of how it is termed by either government or the UN.  Edy referenced the OST & the Moon Treaty in making her points, making the case that outer space resources belong to everyone, not just the developer.  While we did use an outrageously successful multi-trillion dollar model for our discussion of the space mining example, the idea was made that the company could easily afford to “give” a percentage to the benefit sharing process, over & above taxes, assuming the company was profitable, even at more realistic levels.  Our guest was very articulate in presenting her views & ideas, plus her book does a very good job of comprehensively dealing with what we just barely had time to scratch during our program.  For more information, check out Edy’s blog and YouTube video:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=okyVWJglxow & http://blogs.webster.edu/globalthinking/blog/2012/07/16/outer-space-development-is-subject-of-new-book-by-hpirs-edythe-weeks/#more-2802.
     Please post all comments/questions about this discussion on The Space Show blog.  I will bring all comments to the attention of Dr. Weeks on a regular basis.

Declan O’Donnell, Sunday, 7-22-12 July 22, 2012

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Declan O’Donnell, Sunday, 7-22-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1819-BWB-2012-07-22.mp3

Guest:  Declan O’Donnell.  Topics:  USIS updates, Law of the Sea Treaty, space settlement, property rights & more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. Declan O’Donnell returned for legal updates with United Societies In Space (USIS), the Intentional Space Development Authority (ISDAC), Law of the Sea Treaty, property rights and much more.  Declan suggested the best websites to visit for more information would be http://space-law.org/ISDAC/ISDAC.html and www.internationalspacedevelopment.com.  During this segment, Declan talked about the various UN space treaties, including the Liability Treaty and space debris issues.  Next, I asked Declan about the renewed interest show by the U.S. in the ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST).  Like many others, Declan clearly spelled out the problems with this treaty and the problems with the common heritage of mankind ideology, especially for space settlement and commerce.  He said if LOST is ratified by the Senate, it would be a “dangerous precedent.”  Declan spent time going into the history of LOST and we talked about it being bottled up in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (www.foreign.senate.gov).  Related issues discussed in this segment and throughout the program dealt with problems in enforcing treaties of all kinds.  Declan talked about the role of USIS and ISDAC regarding LOST and the ownership of space property issues.  He even talked about these organizations proposing a new treaty to support growth & the commercial development of space. Andrew called in to talk about the 1920 Svalbard Treaty as a possible model for space. You can read about this treaty at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Treaty.

Our second segment started with Tim calling to ask if there were other organizations promoting LOST and/or The Moon Treaty other than the U.N.  Later, Declan was asked about the Chinese space program and we again referenced issues with the Liability Treaty and Chinese caused space debris issues.  Also in this segment, Declan was asked about the EU Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities.  Note that he confirmed it was risky to dismiss such things because of the voluntary aspect & he cited several examples to illustrate his point.  He even talked about a specific Italian jurisdictional clause for a local region often inserted in contracts and used as a set of rules for litigation.  Harry emailed out guest about the spaceport no liability laws that have been adopted by several states.  Declan had much to say about this and the issue of liability. Interestingly, he said the waiver that we hear so much about and that is required in the federal law is more about protecting the U.S. Government given it has the ultimate liability for everything launched into space in the U.S. & possibly with U.S. hardware elsewhere in the world as the U.S. would be considered by treaty the launching state. Near the end of our program, I mentioned a SF Business Times article on space investment in Silicon Valley. I will upload the .pdf to the blog for those interested in reading it. Marshall also emailed in a question on the liability issue regarding a spacecraft landing in a different country from its launching country.  As the program was ending, Declan talked about USIS and ISDAC membership & given his being a trial lawyer, I asked him about the controversial issue in healthcare of tort reform.  You might be surprised by his answer.

Post your questions/comments on The Space Show blog.  You can email Declan through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com

 

You can read the SF Business Times article mentioned on the show here:

SF Biz Journal Space Ventures

Dr. John Lewis, Monday, 5-28-12 May 29, 2012

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Dr. John Lewis, Monday, 5-28-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1783-BWB-2012-05-28.mp3

Guest:  Dr. John Lewis.  Topics:  Asteroid mining, Chinese space program.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Dr. John Lewis to discuss asteroid mining and the Chinese space program. You can order Mining The Sky: Untold Riches From The Asteroids, Comets, And Planets by Dr. Lewis as we talked about his book throughout our program.  If you use this Amazon URL, Amazon will make a donation To The Space Show/OGLF:  www.amazon.com/Mining-The-Sky-Asteroids-Planets/dp/0201328194/ref=onegiantlea20. Our first segment focused in on asteroid mining, where are today, its future, legal issues to be settled, risks, and more.  Near the end of this segment, we also talked about the Law of the Sea Treaty, the common heritage of mankind and revenue sharing ideas, all of which would be detrimental to asteroid mining and expanding space commerce.  Earlier Dr. Lewis referenced the Keck study, The Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study which says we can capture a certain size NEO and put it in orbit around the Moon. Dr. Lewis carefully went through the pros and cons of doing this.

In the second segment, Tim called in and continued the revenue sharing and common heritage discussion.  Dr. Lewis then cited his family history dating back to 1625 coming from theNetherlands with the West Indies Company, then staying here and moving west rather than returning to theNetherlands.  He drew parallels with this and potential space settlement and risk taking.  Next, we talked about the Chinese space program, their space station, the upcoming taikonaut launch in June and the fact that they are actually “bending metal” in making hardware for going to the Moon, unlike the Indian program which is still largely talk.  Near the end of the segment, we talked about lunar mining, the needed future vision and leadership, the need to be a multi-planet species and why.  Our discussion with Dr. Lewis is full of important information so I urge you to carefully listen to this program and use the internet to follow up on many of the topics and issues he brings to our attention.  For example, you might find it interesting to see the 1926 Plan of Space Exploration as developed by Tsiolkovsky (www.informatics.org/museum/tsiol.html).

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.

Matthew Kleiman, Monday, 11-28-11 November 29, 2011

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Matthew Kleiman, Monday, 11-28-11

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1662-BWB-2011-11-28.mp3

Guest:  Matthew Kleiman.  Topics:  Protecting Apollo artifacts on the Moon, space legal & property rights issues.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  The Space Show/OGLF is now engaged in its annual fundraising drive. Please see & act upon our appeal at http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/space-show-2011-fundraising-campaign. We welcomed Matthew (Matt) Kleiman to the show to discuss his recent TSR article, “Protecting Apollo artifacts on the Moon, written on November 7, 2011. You can read the article at www.thespacereview.com/article/1961/1.  We began our discussion by describing the Apollo artifact situation, explaining ownership of them per the Outer Space Treaty in that there is no space salvage law.  He said NASA recently issued guidelines for protecting the Apollo artifacts given the likelihood that private companies and possibly other nations might get to the sites, disturb or alter them, or even contaminate a few of the ongoing experiments that are still functioning.  As you will hear, the guidelines are not enforceable, they are voluntary, and  you can find them at www.collectspace.com/news/NASA-USG_lunar_historic_sites.pdf.  We spent a major part of this segment talking about the guidelines and related issues.  Also discussed were liability issues and the problem with determining negligence regarding space activities.  A listener asked about the timing of the NASA guidelines announcement given that at least for now, we are unable to return to the Moon.  Matt then separated out robotic missions to the Moon as compared to humans returning to the Moon.  Our discussion also took us to the issue of property rights on the Moon and elsewhere in space.  We started the next segment by asking Matt about the Moon Treaty and its status.  We talked some more about salvage law for space and addressed the issue of why the US prefers to use international law for protecting the sites rather than doing it unilaterally as that raises potential sovereignty issues posed the by the space treaties.  Phobos-Grunt came up with regards to space debris issues.  During our space debris discussion, we talked about liability, the fact that an individual cannot bring an action other than through his/her country (the State Department for U.S. citizens) and more.  Matt talked about and described the Reasonable Person Doctrine.  A listener asked about the Google Lunar X-Prize and Matt briefly talked about the Draper programs with two teams.  He also told us about the long standing Draper Labs participation in our space program and that Draper Labs was the first non-government Apollo team member.  Another listener asked about the common heritage of mankind language in the Moon Treaty and to a lesser degree in the Outer Space Treaty.  Toward the end of our discussion, we talked about the challenges for making new treaties and the concepts/programs being used to accomplish nearly the same as a treaty but using a process other than a treaty.  If you have questions/comments, please post them on The Space Show blog URL above.  Matt can be emailed at matthew.kleiman@gmail.com.

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