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Amnon Govrin, Friday, 10-31-14 November 1, 2014

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Amnon Govrin, Friday, 10-31-14

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Guest:  Amnon Govrin.  Topics:  We discussed our guest’s op-ed, “Is Microsoft the NASA of Software Companies.”  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Amnon Govrin to the show to discuss his thoughtful op-ed, “Is Microsoft the NASA of Software Companies.”  You can read this op-ed at http://www.spacepirations.com/2014/10/is-microsoft-nasa-of-software-companies.html.  During the first segment of our 100 minute discussion, Amnon shared his background with us and what led him to write this article.  He listed attributes of both organizations that made them similar, plus he provided his own background as a space enthusiast as well as working in the software industry and in recent years for Microsoft.  To establish the groundwork for his article, he talked to the amazing things both organizations have done as well as the innovations they have brought to not just the industry but to humanity.  He was asked about differences with one being a private company and the other a government agency plus he addressed politics which he said were plentiful for both organizations though different.  He looked at historic big projects for both organizations & the innovation of such projects.  He suggested common traits including research and technology.  Amnon talked NewSpace, also he went back to the early days of our space program with rockets and hardware, then he did the same with some of the Microsoft early projects and products.  Another topic in this segment dealt with layoffs for both organizations, consolidations, and positioning their respective organizations for the future.  He said the verdict was out on the success in doing this for both organizations.  Our guest talked about and  identified what he referred to as Black Sheep, a section of his op-ed.  Black Sheep referred to products and projects that don’t make it for one reason or another.  He said both NASA and Microsoft had a history of many Black Sheep projects and products and he identified a few including Vista and Constellation.  Michael Listner called to talk about the denaturalized approach of both organizations.  Amnon and Michael has much to say about decentralization.  About this time, we started getting breaking news information regarding the Virgin SpaceShip2 accident. We continued to report breaking news on this story during the rest of our program.

In the second segment, in addition to the breaking news reports, we talked about both organizations becoming stale meaning irrelevant, heavy, and even wasteful.  Again, our guest cited many examples for both organizations.  More interruptions took place over the Virgin accident story and news, then we moved to the conclusion section of the last segment.  He talked about the difficulty for both organizations going into the future and what may impact the future of both Microsoft and NASA.  For NASA, he mentioned NewSpace.  Then we talked competition and for NASA, he mentioned the private sector launch industry as this competition may force changes in the way NASA does thing.  He questioned if innovation was in decline.  In the final minutes of the program, I asked our guest for his 5 year view for both Microsoft and NASA.  We also talked Astronauts for Hire as our guest was a co-founder of the organization.

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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14 September 24, 2014

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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14

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Guest:  Dr. Frank Martin.  Topic:  The NRC “Pathways to Exploration: Rationales and Approaches for a U.S. Program of Human Space Exploration” report.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Frank Martin to the program to discus the NRC human spaceflight study along with all aspects of human spaceflight including various destinations and missions.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 39 minute show, Dr. Martin introduced us to the NRC Pathways study which you can download for free by using Google.  He suggested it was a dose of reality as well as optimism.  He said the study was very clear in saying “show me the money” for those wanting to do humans to Mars missions now or fairly soon and then explained some of the high costs and trades involved in these missions.  One of his overriding themes throughout our discussion was the need to manage a very large mass in LEO in order to accomplish the goals of long duration human space mission.  During our segment, we kept coming back to the need to manage a large mass in LEO and how this translated to costs as well as the need for technology advancement.  Both myself and listeners asked our guest about doing human missions cheaper by using the private sector.  This subject kept coming up during both segments of the program.  We also addressed the rational for human spaceflight.  In addition, the issue of walking away from HSF was looked at for the US as a nation as that is an option. The report attempted to address this and related issues.   Joe sent in an email about the mice on the ISS and using them to determine the gravity RX for HSF.  He sent us several additional emails on this subject as well.  This prompted comments about the need to use the ISS for research in support of long duration HSF missions.  Dr. Martin said Mars was an horizon goal.  In this context, he talked about only a few other possible destinations near us, either the Moon or an asteroid.  He then proceeded to address the issue of managing the risk for a Mars mission.  Beverly asked a budget question and taking the lead from the most recent Mike Griffin interview, she asked Frank if it really was just a choice to be constrained by budget issues.  While Frank agreed it was a choice, he said there were very good ways and choices to spend taxpayer money so he did not see significantly more money for space in the future.  Another listener talked about nuclear propulsion which also crossed into the second segment.  Near the end of the first segment, we got a call from a New Zealand listener.  During his call, the idea of the Buzz Aldrin Mars cycler came up and there was a question or two about fuel depots.

In the second segment, I asked Dr. Martin why the study took 18 months, then SLS John called the program.  John wanted to talk nuclear propulsion thinking it would be a cost saver but what was not known was the accurate cost of the R&D program or the cost for jumping through political hurdles.  John suggested a new administration would make a difference and I challenged that.  I asked Frank given all his years of space industry experience if it was reasonable to expect big changes in space policy due to a change in administrations.  Don’t miss Frank’s reply.  Dwayne called back to question the HSF rational. One of the points made by Dwayne was that cooperation with the Russians on the ISS does not modify Russia’s behavior other than for space.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Dr. Frank Martin through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Dr. Doug Plata, Monday, 6-30-14 July 1, 2014

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Dr. Doug Plata, Monday, 6-30-14

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Guest:  Dr. Doug Plata.  Topics:  Lunar Cots & cislunar space development, policy, Mars, & much more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Doug Plata for this two hour two minute discussion.  NOTE THAT THREE SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTS FROM DOUG WILL BE UPLOADED TO THE BLOG.  During the first segment, Doug introduced us to the topics he discussed at the recent ISDC conference in Los Angeles.  He talked about SpaceX and both the Falcon 9 & Heavy, Lunar ice, hollow ice, a concept he calls Moon for Mars, and more.  He also suggested that the Moon was not necessary for a Mars mission.  Additionally, while he certainly support a return to the Moon, he does not believe bringing back the VSE and Constellation is the way to do it.  I asked him how he got is interest in and start in space advocacy about 4 years ago.  Doug told us an interesting story, including how he was influenced by the LCROSS mission.  Michael Listner called to ask Doug about the WHY for the missions & projects he was advocating.  This was an interesting discussion though Michael got cut off due to a glitch at his end.  Tony wanted to know if Doug might be considering a start-up around his ideas in the near future.  Other first segment topics included ISRU, what makes space sustainable, and gaining the public interest and trust.  I asked him what among his ISDC topics was the least popular.  Listen for the answer.

In the second segment, Doug said people could find the lunar cots petition at http://www.lunarcots.com.  Doug addressed a question submitted by Tony regarding the use of water for radiation shielding.  Doug corrected some misunderstandings from his previous comment & went through the calculations in support of his conclusions.  We talked about a recent Mars One announcement for payloads for their planned 2018 mission.  Doug talked lunar cots, telerobotics, & benefits which he had sent me on an earlier show.  It is the three benefits documents that I will upload to the blog.  Doug had more to say on LCROSS & its impact on him.  He also told us about his newly made NASA HQ and commercial space contacts regarding lunar cots and cislunar.  As the program was ending, he talked about doing a special Flagstaff conference next year with a media event at nearby Meteor Crater.  Several times during our discussion, Doug cited Hops Blog for lunar and Mars lander/hopper ideas.  See http://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com.

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Greg Cecil, Friday, 6-27-14 June 28, 2014

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Greg Cecil, Friday, 6-27-14

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Guest:  Greg Cecil.  Topics: STEM for Middle School students, human spaceflight, Mars & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Greg Cecil back to the program for this 1 hour 37 minute discussion.  During our first segment, Greg summarized his space shuttle experience when working on the thermal protection system at KSC, talked about keeping in touch with former shuttle employees and letting us know that in his opinion, shuttle was retired too early.  After the shuttle program was closed down, Greg began consulting and teaching science to middle school students.  He talked about the difference in a public inner city school as compared to teaching in a private school.  His observations are important, especially about parent involvement  & support in the student’s education.  Greg devised space related projects for the students & created scientific experiments to fly with the J.P. Aerospace high altitude balloon flights.  Greg described some of the experiments and the benefits in working with John Powell of J.P. Aerospace.  We talked about the impact of the flights and making the payloads.  I asked if the impact will remain with them as they go through school, possibly in selecting a space or science education and career.  Greg also attended the recent Explore Mars Humans2Mars Conference and here he offered us many valuable observations.  Listen to what he had to say about NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden’s talk, then later the talk given by NewSpace advocate and co-founder of the Space Frontier Foundation, Rick Tumlinson.  The differences between the two talks and approaches led to Greg’s conversion to being a NewSpace proponent.  Greg talked about SpaceX and suggested it was risky for any one company to be the face of NewSpace, either intentionally or by chance.

In the second segment, Greg talked about the movie, “I want To Be An Astronaut.”  Doug emailed in a comment based on our first segment discussion given Greg’s comment about NASA budgets being tight & being a show stopper for grandiose HSF missions such as those to Mars & as reported in the NRC Pathways HSF study.  Greg responded to Doug, then I let got with one of my infamous rants directed not just at Doug but we space enthusiasts in general for having lousy communication skills.  In this instance, my rant was about Doug focusing on technology and never ever making the case for the WHY or the need to do what he suggested in his question.  Greg then spoke to the importance of knowing your customer, congressman, market, and effectively communicating the WHY & the NEED.  Later, after the rant and aftermath of the volcanic eruption, Greg spoke to how best to approach members of congress and state legislatures.  We then talked about the RD-180 engine, SLS, & HSF spaceships.  As our discussion was ending, Greg pointed out the risks associated with putting all our HSF eggs in one basket and one company.  He closed by saying never give up plus he provided his email address at the end of the show.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Greg through me or the address he gave out on air as the show was ending.

James Pura, Aaron Oesterle, Sunday, 6-1-14 June 2, 2014

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James Pura, Aaron Oesterle, Sunday, 6-1-14

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Guests:  James Pura, Aaron Oesterle.  Topic:  The Space Frontier Foundation’s (SFF) Space Settlement Enabling Test (http://spacefrontier.org/settlement-enabling-test).  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed James Pura and Aaron Oesterle to the program to discuss The Space Frontier Foundation’s Space Settlement Enabling Test (see http://spacefrontier.org/settlement-enabling-test).  During the first segment of our 90 minute program, James and Arron went over the history of how the Space Settlement Enabling Test got its start within the SFF.  We also learned that it is in response to public space programs, not private programs though parts of the test would be applicable to private ventures but applying it that way is not a purpose of the Foundation.  The SFF Board votes on the projects being applied to the test with the results being published on the SFF website (http://spacefrontier.org).  We learned that the test consists of 21 questions in seven categories with each question having a voting range of 1-5.  There is a score for the project being subjected to the test but there is no pass or fail.  For example, the Foundation applied the test to the now defunct Constellation program and its score was 36.5%.  Our guests explained in detail how the test worked and during this segment and part of the second segment, they went through the questions in each of the seven categories.  Listeners had many questions for them including how they planned on measuring the effectiveness of the test and the outcome.  Our guests talked about both the inside and outside means of using the test and getting the results out to the market, policy makers, etc.  One listener asked James & Aaron if the test was jumping the gun since space settlement is far off into the future.  Don’t miss the reply to this question offered by both our guests.  Doug called to talk about applying his Cis Lunar 1 project to the Space Settlement Enabling Test.  Prior to the end of the segment, our guests talked about the importance of insuring sustainability for space settlement and how that was reflected in the test.

In the second segment, we finished going through the balance of the test and then we opened up the discussion for questions.  In discussing the final categories, our guests brought up the issue and importance of space property rights, competition, and the need for a tax payer ROI on public space ventures.  We talked about what may contribute to a public sector ROI.  In the question segment, nuclear propulsion was brought up, our guests were asked if they had applied SLS to the test.  Each of our guests offer us important closing comments and take aways from our discussion.

Post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach our guests through the SFF website or me.

Open Lines, Sunday, 2-23-14 February 24, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 2-23-14

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Guests:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  Cubesat markets, cubesat launch restrictions, Mars One, SLS, Falcon, & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcome you to today’s 2 hour 15 minute Open Lines discussion covering a wide range of topics.  Since both segments of the discussion overlapped and covered the same topics, this summary will not be divided into the typical part one and part two segments.  At the beginning, I threw out some possible discussion topics. These topics included my thoughts on the cubesat market becoming saturated due to the very low barriers of entry.  This typically happens in the business cycle leading to failures, buyouts, mergers, etc.  I posed the question if this could happen in the cubesat industry.  I also commented on the FATW issued to Mars One deeming it a suicide mission.  These seemed to be the two most frequently discussed topics on today’s show though SLS and Falcon did enter the discussion.  Regarding the cubesat industry, most callers thought that cubesats would not go the way of traditional businesses with low barriers to entry because the launch side of the industry has a choke hold on deployment of cubesats and so far does have low barriers to entry. The reasoning went something like this:  One could have all the cubesats in the world they wanted but only so many can get launched per year and this puts limits on the potential cubesat market. Many callers and a few email listeners had much to say on this discussion during the entire program.  Now as for the FATWA issued against Mars One deeming it a suicide mission, that too was a popular topic.  Many listeners commented on it as did I though I suggested it probably did not matter since I’m a skeptic that the venture will ever launch, especially given the stated time tables it is working against.  But there were lots of views on the FATWA. Most listeners agreed that Mars One would likely be something on the order of a suicide mission but calling for a FATWA seemed extreme. There were several sarcastic comments and SLS John objected to why we would even spend time talking about it given all the important things going on in space and the space related world.  Later in the second segment, Jeff called in and extended the discussion to SLS which is always volatile on TSS!  Jeff offered us some interesting observations and “givens” regarding SLS as a government program.

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Mark Bray, Tuesday, 2-11-14 February 12, 2014

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Mark Bray, Tuesday, 2-11-14

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Guest:  Mark Bray.  Topics:  Huntsville area space update, SLS from the inside, U.S. space policy, leadership issues. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Mark Bray for a Huntsville space area update and a unique view from the inside on SLS and U.S. space policy.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 49 minute discussion, Mark shared his personal assessment of the Huntsville area space economy, the moods of contractors and NASA workers, & the space IQ for the Huntsville general population.  For the most part, Mark reported stability but lots of uncertainty.  In contrast, the last time Mark did an area update for us, there were still layoffs happening, lots of uncertainty and personal stress, and stability was far from the scene.  We then switched to SLS which was a topic through most of the show because Mark is a contractor working on SLS.  Its important to note that Mark was speaking for himself on the program, not for his employer, NASA, or his fellow workers and area space employees.  Mark works in the SLS materials lab so we asked him all sorts of questions about the big rocket.  For example, I drilled him on the mood of SLS workers given they certainly had to know about the hate-love war going on over SLS within the space community.  Mark answered all these questions for us, including questions about possible competitive pressure from SpaceX.  We talked extensively about commercial space development and the need for commercial markets.  Mark spent some time on the issue of markets because without them, one has no viable commercial activity.  Mark then honed in on the problem of political leadership regarding space saying that NASA and related organizations were not the problem. This opened the door for multiple discussions during the balance of the program going after what Mark and I both thought was an absence of quality political leadership in the country and the partisan warfare between the two main parties preventing workable solutions for many if not all the nation’s problems.  Before the segment ended, I asked Mark about the Chinese lunar lander & robot and what people thought about it.  He said most were frustrated that we (the U.S.) was not doing more as we were not operating even close to our potential.

In the second segment, Doug called to ask about public/private partnerships, COTS like programs, and he talked about his Lunar Cots ideas.  Doug asked about reducing costs.  Mark seized the opportunity to again state that engineering technology & NASA management were not the real problems but that leadership issues in Washington were at the center of the problems.  John then called from Ft. Worth.  He wanted to talk about SLS cost numbers & asked Mark why it was so expensive given the assumption that much of it came from already developed projects including Ares components and more. Don’t miss what Mark had to say about this.  John then asked Mark for his personal thoughts on the news that SpaceX will build a rocket larger than the Saturn V in about ten years.  Again, don’t miss his answer.  Near the end of the show, in summary mode, Mark repeated that the biggest challenge was a market challenge.  What is the market? Is there a long term market? How big is the market?  As the show was ending, we asked Mark about the viability of human spaceflight.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach Mark Bray through me.

Howard Bloom, Monday, 1-20-14 January 21, 2014

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Howard Bloom, Monday, 1-20-14

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Guest:  Howard Bloom.  Topics:  Space policy, leadership, private space, SLS, SSP, Space Development Steering Committee & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Howard Bloom back to the show for this two hour 6 minute complex space policy, leadership, commercial space and more discussion.  During the first segment, Howard worked us into discussions about space and pop culture, space leadership and policy issues, commercial and private space issues, and the SLS as representative of extreme pork taking down the space program.  This conversation included many side tracks including space art for inspiration, Von Braun, Chesley Bonestell, and more.  We talked about The Space Development Steering Committee, their focus on private space as well as space solar power (SSP).  As you listen to this program, you will realize this is not an ordinary Space Show discussion on these topics as Howard brings to us very unique and very broad important perspectives with important information.

In the second segment, Chuck Lauer called in to talk about the Darpa XS1 suborbital program and his company submission.  Later, Howard talked about Dragon and Cygnus plus the significance difference between the two.  He advocated for fuel depots and space infrastructure.  I asked Howard about a timeline for realizing the development/implementation of the project he was talking about.  He also talked about the ISS, Mars, Phobos, and L1.  Near the end of the discussion, Howard talked about his two Kindle books available on Amazon, “How I Accentually Started the Sixties” and “The Mohammed Code:  Why a Desert Prophet Wants You Dead.”

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  Howard provided his social media and email address during this show for contact and for joining The Space Development Steering Committee.

Dr. Wendell Mendell, Tuesday, 12-10-13 December 11, 2013

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Dr. Wendell Mendell, Tuesday, 12-10-13

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Guest:  Dr. Wendell Mendell.  Topics:  His 50 years at NASA, the Moon, lunar base work, congress & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Wendell Mendell back to the show for this two hour discussion (no break) about his 50 years at NASA JSC, lunar bases, commercial space, return to the Moon, the value of the Moon, our space program, space advocacy, commercial space, and lots more.  Dr. Mendell came to work at JSC in 1963 &will be retiring at the end of this year, culminating 50 years at JSC.  During our discussion, Dr. Mendell used lots of stories from his NASA and lunar base work experience to illustrate issues with space policy, NASA, our Congress, and space advocacy, & advanced technology.  Listeners had lots of specific questions for Wendell about lunar bases, water on the Moon and its commercial exploitation, commercial lunar programs, and NASA having a lunar program which Dr. Mendell said it did not.  Dr. Mendell spoke to some of the NASA organizational issues, congressional micromanagement issues and problems, and the nation’s overall economic problems as a reason for not doing this or that in space.  He cited such economic problems as a rational excuse for not doing something meaningful in space in almost every year of his 50 years of NASA experience. The same for threatened, proposed, or even real NASA budget cuts.  Later in the segment when caller Doug called in with his lunar water and development ideas, Dr. Mendell pointed to conflicting LCROSS analysis as to water being on the Moon. Russian instruments do not say the same thing as the Los Alamos instruments and he said this was & still is a hotly debated topic in the lunar community.  As Doug continued talking about his plan, Dr. Mendell backed him up, took him step by step through the process of accomplishing his many goals. This turned out to be a very valuable instructional discussion that all of us can and should benefit from.  Make sure you hear how Wendell breaks down Doug’s points to show the complexities and challenges of each incremental step in what Doug was proposing.  Our guest even showed Doug where some of his steps needed commercial technogly which does not exist! Doug’s rocket of choice is the Falcon Heavy, a rocket which does not yet exist, nor does it have real numbers behind it.  Wendell used this discussion to distinguish true believers from investor and commercial analysts.  He then said when the believer is also able to bring his own money to the venture, things can get done and he cited SpaceX as an example.  Later Doug asked by email if NASA could help private companies develop cislunar transportation as they have helped private companies provide launch services to LEO/GEO. The simple answer was yes but make sure you hear Dr. Mendell’s complete answer to this question.  Another issue discussed was the needed timeline to do a human Moon mission. Wendell described the times of Apollo as compared to the times of NASA today.  We talked about the importance of a better and different NASA and RTM story and again, Dr. Mendell illustrated his points with stories from his past experience.  Spanning 50 years of history and experience was not easy to do in even a two hour Space Show program. As you listen to the program, you will hear many more subjects, stories, and issues discussed than stated in this summary.  In the end, I believe NASA, our nation, and the effort to develop space has been served incredibly well by Dr. Wendell Mendell and his creativity, his drive, his analysis, his commitment, and his work will be genuinely missed by all.  The Space Show wishes Wendell all the best for his coming retirement, gives him a hearty THANK YOU for his service, and we will remain in contact with him and hope to have him back with us at a future time.

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Dr. Roger Launius, Friday, 11-29-13 November 30, 2013

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Dr. Roger Launius, Friday, 11-29-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2132-BWB-2013-11-29.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Roger Launius.  Topics:  We discussed Roger’s new book, “Space Shuttle Legacy: How We Did It and What We Learned,” space shuttles lessons learned, HSF & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Dr. Roger Launius to discuss his new book, “Space Shuttle Legacy: How We Did It and What We Learned.”  During the first segment of this 1 hour 25 minute discussion, Dr. Launius provided us with the background behind this book which Dr. Launius and two other co-edited as a result of a suggestion Dr. Vigor Yang, chair of the School of Aerospace Engineering at Georgia Institute of Technology and James Craig, emeritus professor the school.  Dr. Launius took us through the book’s contents including the title, subject, and authors of the contributions to this book. Our guest talked about the time we spent in LEO, that it was frustrating to many but it did create the situation where LEO is no longer a space frontier.  We also talked about how the shuttle paved the way for development of NewSpace and the emerging commercial industry.  This pertains to the Washington Post article we discussed. See the URL for this article at the end of this summary.  Listeners asked him questions about the Constellation program, the use of shuttle derived architecture for Constellation rockets, and capsules versus winged spacecraft.  We also talked about commercial opportunities emerging in LEO.  A listener asked about the cost of the Soyuz for American astronaut rides to the ISS and that it was still cheaper than launching a shuttle.  Roger brought up other concerns regarding the use of the Soyuz for transport to the station.  John from Ft. Worth called and said he thought shuttle was a creation of compromise. Dr. Launius was then asked about SLS & Orion which took us into human spaceflight and the difficulty in identifying a compelling reason for HSF.  We talked about inspiration as a compelling reason but our guest said it did not hold up as there were other ways to inspire students and people.  We spoke about the Inspiration Mars mission and Mr. Tito’s recent congressional testimony.  We then talked about Dr. Zubrin’s plan to partner up with Russia for a manned mission to Mars.

In our second segment, we talked about the ISS, NANORACKS and its success, emerging ISS commercial opportunities.  However, the possible retirement of the station around 2020 is worrisome.  John emailed in wondering if the Chinese landed humans on the Moon if it would make a difference in our space program.  I asked our guest for a few of the Lessons Learned from the shuttle and we talked more about it having been an experimental aircraft and what that meant.  We got questions about new technology, advancing using new technology, and then more comments about capsules and winged spacecraft.  Roger was asked to speculate on what would happen with a subcortical accident with injury or death and an orbital accident causing crew injury or death.  As the show was nearing its end, we talked about space advocacy, its effectiveness, and the lack of a unified voice in the space community. Finally, I asked our guest for specific positive and negative lessons learned from the shuttle years.  Note that the WaPo article referred to in the discussion comparing old space with NewSpace is at www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2013/11/23/which-way-to-space.

Post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog per above.  You can email Dr. Launius through me.

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