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The Space Show Classroom with Drs. Jurist & Logan, Monday, 1-6-14 January 7, 2014

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The Space Show Classroom with Drs. Jurist & Logan, Monday, 1-6-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2159-BWB-2014-01-06.mp3

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Guests: Dr. Jim Logan, Dr. John Jurist.  Topics:  Space advocacy magical/fantasy thinking, radiation, rockets, HSF & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Drs. Jurist and Logan to this CLASSROOM program which addressed many issues of the 2 hours 1 minute broadcast.  We started out with Dr. Logan discussing fantasy or magical thinking going back to the influence of a 2001 Space Odyssey movie poster had on him.  From there, Jim went into a discussion about Constellation, then the Space Shuttle as examples of what he was talking about and as to how programs and faulty ideas grow and multiply.  He also talked about life science challenges.  A listener asked him about space politics, then Dr. Jurist offered additional examples with a focus on air launch.  Our guests then discussed thinking based on agendas and ideology.  One of the keys suggested for breaking out of this magical thinking mode involved surrounding yourself with really smart people.  Later, I offered my perspective on that given my own experiences early on in Space Show time and before.   Both Jim and John said a few times that one needs to know his or her limitations.  Our guests then talked due diligence with assumption building, fact checking, disclosures, and more.  I relayed my own wake -up call experience due to Al Zaehringer who was on the show several times years ago before he passed on.  Before the segment ended, Jim told us a story about the Wright Brothers and their Wright Flyer experience.  In our second segment, John Hunt called in to talk about Jim’s Space Shuttle comments.  This was a lengthy discussion with John, Jim, & John Jurist.  Jim talked about advantages with Saturn V including economic advantages over shuttle to LEO.  Subjects of reusability came up along with issues of getting a specific payload to orbit which our guests suggested advocacy often glosses over with facts and trades for payload mass fractions involved in reusability.  Dr. Logan brought up and discussed what he called NASA Brinkmanship Strategy.  Jim then talked about the reality of sending payloads to the ISS using shuttle.   Trent in Australia sent a message about magical thinking with Mars One.  Our last caller was Alan from St. Louis who said John and Jim were too negative in their discussion.  Alan then talked about using smaller rockets over heavy lift and was working to make the case that we have to work with what we have.  He also talked about evolving up from smaller, not starting off with the biggest.  Each of us responded to Alan.  It’s a discussion you do not want to miss.

Please post your comments/questions on either or both The Space Show Blog above or The Space Show Classroom blog, http://spaceshowclassroom.wordpress.com.  You can reach all of the participants including the callers through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Friday, 3-8-13 March 9, 2013

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Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Friday, 3-8-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1968-BWB-2013-03-08.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.  Topics:  Dr. Tyson’s book, “Space Chronicles: Facing The Ultimate Frontier,” delusional thinking, space exploration, space economic power.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed backed Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson to this 60 minute discussion about the new release of the paperback version of his current book, “Space Chronicles: Facing The Ultimate Frontier.”  If you buy the book with this Amazon link, Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show/OGLF:  http://www.amazon.com/Space-Chronicles-Facing-Ultimate-Frontier/dp/0393343626/ref=onegiantlea20.  The book is a collection of all of Dr. Tyson’s thoughts about the past, present, and future in space.  It consists of essays, tweets, op-eds and more, plus an appendix with important documents such as the original agreement creating NASA in the late 1950s.  Neil said that some of the points he made in the book were that space was expensive and that we do things in space for one of two reasons: 1.  As a result of military threat or war; 2: In support of economic growth of the country.  He then supported his argument with historical facts, making the point that we do not explore for the sake of exploring, that exploration is not in our DNA, that we do not go into space to inspire future generations of kids, and then he even mentioned that the famous JFK Rice University speech which he said was a lie in that weeks before in a speech before Congress, President Kennedy put forth the real reason we were going to the Moon which was to show the world a path of freedom over tyranny.  Dr. Tyson documents this on p. 192 of his book by saying that “Kennedy did adopt a military posture in his speech to Congress.”  Neil stressed this point during our discussion in support of the above reasons for developing.  More about this speech can be found at www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-asks-congress-to-support-the-space-program.  The actual text of the speech can be seen at www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/xzw1gaeeTES6khED14P1Iw.aspx.  Dr. Tyson also talked about the problem of delusional thinking among space enthusiasts, a theme we went back to several times during our discussion.  Another point he made was about the importance of innovation and having a culture of innovation with space goals supporting the economic growth of an innovative nation.  Kelly asked a question about the best way to increase NASAs budget in bipartisan support of space for STEM, inspiration, spin-offs, etc.  Our guest said all of the reasons cited in Kelly’s question were irrelevant.  Don’t miss what he said.  We also talked about the need for infrastructure and Neil said that governments have to pave the way for the frontier and the private companies follow and economically develop it.  He said the commercial companies do not and will not be able to open the space frontier with the needed infrastructure.  I then depicted government as sort of an advance man in space with the privates being able to capitalize that infrastructure development for profit & national wealth. A listener asked about China, a space race, and a possible space war.  Dr. Tyson also said that we should have launch vehicles that go everywhere for research and innovative reasons and we needed to shift our culture to seeing space as a long term national investment for creating wealth for the nation, far beyond the term of our elected officials.  He talked about SpaceX and the need for a rich and fertile collaboration between government and the commercial companies regarding space.  I asked our guest about testifying before Congress. You will want to hear what he had to say about that based on his experiences in do so.  We talked about space and grass roots movements. He talked about GDP economic growth during the Apollo period and then what happened each decade after that through the current period.  Jim sent in a question pointing out possible contradictions in his comments & suggested fuel depots as a way to minimize the quantity of rockets and launches. Dr Tyson said he was hardware agnostic and that in developing infrastructure and paving the way for the privates in space, fuel depots might very well be part of infrastructure but that government would be doing them, especially early on.  Later, Dr. Tyson talked about our system being a political system and that it was not going to change.  He used this as one of the examples of delusional thinking given many enthusiasts who don’t accept this reality & believe they can bypass or work around the political nature of our government and systems.  Near the end of our discussion, he was asked about the Inspire Mars mission which he said was probably a stunt but that it might serve the purpose of showing the government that lots of people are interested in an HSF to Mars.  Another listener wanted to know if the Inspire Mars mission turned out bad, would it derail human spaceflight.  He did not think it would do that given other space accidents with the loss of crew.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog and I will call them to the attention of our guest.

Dr. William Bainbridge, Friday, 2-8-13 February 6, 2013

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Dr. William Bainbridge, Friday, 2-8-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1946-BWB-2013-02-08.mp3

Guest:  Dr. William Bainbridge.  Topics:  The Space Futures Space Questionnaire about space exploration and the next fifty years.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Dr. William Bainbridge to the program to discuss the Space Futures project which is to help define the future of space our space program for the next fifty years.  Perceptions of informed, interested, and space conscious individuals are sought for the Space Futures space questionnaire.  The questionnaire is based on years of prior research conducted by Dr. Bainbridge as well as other more recent surveys.  You can read about the Space Future Questionnaires (different platforms are available for it) at http://convergentsystems.pbworks.com/w/page/16444389/FrontPage.  If you use the Droid platform, click on the links that allow you download a free Droid APP which enables you to instantly transmit your survey responses to the survey data base. For everyone else, you can download the survey as a Word document which you can complete online and email to Dr. Bainbridge. The Word document questionnaire with 300 questions is at http://convergentsystems.pbworks.com/w/file/62227159/Space%20email%20survey.doc.  Make sure you click on the DOWNLOAD tab in the upper left corner.  There is a shorter 200 question Word document questionnaire on The Space Show blog.  During our discussion, Dr. Bainbridge provided us with the history of this project, how the information has been and is now collected, processed, and used.  We also talked about the importance of space aware people taking the time to complete the questionnaire.  Lots of listeners asked Dr. Bainbridge questions about who should participate from Middle School students to those in the general population to people outside the U.S.  All groups are welcome but as you will hear, it is very important to get the perceptions and opinions of those that have knowledge and expertise about space exploration and development.  We talked about question groupings such as around topics including the Moon or Mars.  We discussed changing trends overtime and current influences on our opinions such as today’s economic problems.  I brought up the decades old Syncon Process and how some attitudes and perceptions are even stronger today than they were decades ago with Syncon.  For example, attitudes including space benefitting all of humanity and more.  This topic took us toward the virtual world, gaming to help increase space awareness and expertise.  I mentioned the recent discussion re the lunar space elevator program this past Monday regarding CCI Games in Iceland. This was our cliff hanger as we went to our break waiting for Dr. Bainbridge’s comments about his being involved with CCI Games.

In our second segment of this 1 hr. 45 minute program, Dr. Bainbridge talked about his research with the CCI gaming product, EVE Online as he plays the game.  He had much to say about the space awareness of this game and the team in Iceland that created it.  He also said that Sean Smith, one of those slain in the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya was a player of EVE Online.  His game name was “Vile Rat” and there is a huge outpouring of support and comments about him on the internet. Google Vile Rat to see these comments & news stories.  We talked about other scientific games and new technologies for developing a space consciousness and expertise about space exploration.  We talked about space and innovation along with frontier development, pioneering & what it means to both continue it or stop it for the future of a nation.  John called to talk with Dr. Bainbridge about his surprise in taking the survey in finding out he was potentially more pessimistic about the future than he had thought he was because like so many others, he had expectations for more advancement in space exploration, development, even settlement than what exists with our present day reality.  Dr. Bainbridge helped put these thoughts and realizations into context with our actual space exploration and development over the past decades.  It’s a fascinating discussion and analysis, don’t miss it.  Near the end of the program, a listener asked how to realize space as an investment rather than just another government expense item.  We talked about better story telling by everyone concerned. Dr. Bainbridge also linked the survey questionnaires to this question because the results will help pinpoint our space insights along with the value stream.  While there is a March 1 questionnaire due date, this is not a hard date and Dr. Bainbridge encouraged people to participate, even if later than March 1.  Also, if someone wants hard copies of the questionnaire to distribute at a space conference or other event, perhaps even a Meetup, you can contact him for copies or you can download the questionnaire from the links provided above.  Another idea is to make a simple flyer with the basic information and the URLs for space or related event distribution.  I did the 300 questionnaire Word document and can’t wait to see the analysis. I certainly plan on bringing Dr. Bainbridge back to the program to discuss the project findings.

Please post your comments/questions on the blog.  If you do the questionnaire, share your thoughts with us on the blog.  If you want to contact Dr. Bainbridge, you can do so through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

  The shorter 200 question survey is available for download here:

Space Futures questionnaire

 

Rick Tumlinson, Friday, 1-20-12 January 21, 2012

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Rick Tumlinson, Friday, 1-20-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1694-BWB-2012-01-20.mp3

Guest: Rick Tumlinson.  Topics:  Why Space, space vision, NewSpace, SLS, opening the space frontier.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Rick Tumlinson back to the program for this nearly two hour discussion of space vision, leadership, programming, SLS, advocacy and more.  In hour first 70 minute segment, Rick opened by talking about his ongoing op-ed series in the Huffington Post titled “Why Space?”  So far he has two issues uploaded to the Huffington Post & I urge you to read them.  You can see all of Rick’s articles on the Huffington Post at www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-tumlinson. During our discussion, Rick stressed the need for space settlement and talked about this during the entire program.  Additionally, Rick focused on the big picture space vision throughout our entire discussion.  In the first segment, SLS came up but it was also talked about later in the show.  Rick explained why he thought it was the wrong project for this point in time and had much to say about private industry launch & space transportation systems as compared to government programs.  When asked if he thought SLS could be appropriate as a placeholder, he said no but listen to what he had to say about this idea.  He talked about not picking winners and advocating a common sense space plan.  I asked him for his plan and how to implement it.  He then outlined a plan in several steps during the balance of the segment.  Don’t miss it.  Listeners called & asked questions about the Chinese space program and cooperation and the same with the Russians. 

In the second segment, Rick started us off with a discussion about the Frontier approach for space development.  He also talked about going to the Moon and why, but also about asteroids & Mars.  He said we need to develop the skills and the insitu experience for living & working in space.  Several times he mentioned that on the Moon and Mars we would be living underground due to the radiation.  Rick then talked about space habitats including O’Neil like space stations/habitats.  Several listeners asked about the role of HSF in developing our understanding of the universe, specifically for 2012 and beyond.  John from Atlanta called in to talk about the lack of civility coming from the NewSpace community toward old space.  This produced a spirited give & take with Rick which in a way focused on “guarantees” for the commercial company success as compared to government rocket programs.  John suggested it was a bit risky putting all the “eggs” in unproven commercial company baskets when we know the government launch vehicle will work as long as the program is not cancelled.  Don’t miss what John and Rick had to say.. Toward the end, Rick talked about the Texas Space Alliance & his new organization, EarthLight Institute. He provided us with substantial detail about the EarthLight Institute plans, their website which is under construction,  plus the book on asteroids that he is working on and will be out around the end of the year.  He was asked about his continuing role with the Space Frontier Foundation & the activities of SFF.

Please post comments/questions on The Space Show blog URL above. Rick’s email address is rick@earthlightinstitute.org

 

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