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Anatoly Zak, Tuesday, 10-7-14 October 8, 2014

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Anatoly Zak, Tuesday, 10-7-14

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Guest:  Anatoly Zak.  Topics:  Russian space program & 2nd edition of his book, “Russia In Space: The Past Explained, The Future Explored.”  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.  We welcomed Anatoly Zak back to the program to provide updates regarding the Russian space program & to talk about the release of the second edition of his book, “Russia In Space: The Past Explained, The Future Explored.”  Remember, if you buy it through Amazon, use the OGLF Amazon portal so Amazon will contribute to TSS/OGLF.  Instructions are on all archives, the blog, our website and http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org.  We welcomed Anatoly Zak back to the show for this 90 plus minute discussion. In the first segment, Anatoly said the Russian program was at a crossroads wanting to develop new systems for the lunar mission & BLEO, building a new launch site ,Vostochny, while maintaining existing programs including the ISS.  He talked about programs falling behind schedule, proposed timelines followed by delays.  I asked him about the Russian tax system. Anatoly told us it was a flat tax system but that it was driven by their natural resources, especially energy.  In response to many questions, we learned that the Russian program has some struggles that make it similar to what is happening with NASA.  Anatoly talked about the new rocket Angara.  The Angara 5 is supposed to have its test flight on Dec. 25.  He also said there was a super SLS type rocket being planned but specifics were unknown at this time.  When asked for the biggest challenge to the Russian space program, he said it was the budget.  A listener asked about a possible joint China-Russian lunar or Mars program.  Anatoly suggested that were something like that to happen, China would probably be  behind it.  We talked some about the second printing of his book, “Russia In Space: The Past Explained, The Future Explored.”  Another listener wanted to know the origins of the Russian program.  We talked politics, sanctions, and the ISS relationship with NASA.  Returning their Proton rocket to flight was mentioned & Anatoly talked at length about their quality control problems.  SLS John called to talk about Russian nuclear propulsion.  The last caller of the segment, Richard Easton, talked about Russian GPS, GLONASS, timing & the early days with the Russian navy.

In the second segment, Anatoly talked about the Russian planetary program including EXOMARS with ESA for searching for life on Mars, their proposed HSF lunar program plus other missions on the planning table.  In response to a question, he did say their was lots of competition between the planetary side and HSF.  Roger wanted to know about becoming a cosmonaut, & Barbara wanted to know about space tourism to the Moon.  For the balance of the year, Anatoly said eyes were on the Dec. 25th test flight for the new Angara 5 heavy rocket.  Re the ISS, he expected it to remain as it is today.

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Open Lines, Sunday, 5-18-14 May 19, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 5-18-14

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Guest:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  The passing of Roger Easton, father of GPS, Russia, ISS, NASA, Ukraine, sanctions, space policy.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Welcome to this 2 hour 1 minute program.  In our first segment, we started with the first caller, Richard Easton who told us about the passing of his Dad, Roger Easton, the father of GPS.  Richard has been a guest on the show several times &we were most fortunate to have Roger as a guest as well several years ago.  We took this opportunity to honor Roger Easton & talk about the early days of Roger’s timing work which formed the backbone of GPS.  Richard went through some of the early history with us as he has done on previous shows. I urge you to listen to this call plus go back and listen to Richard’s earlier shows, including his first one when Roger was with him. You will hear oral history at its best & from the major scientist/engineer who brought us GPS.  After Richard’s call, we took our first break.

In the second segment, I read a NASA PR announcement about the successful recovery of Dragon bringing back 3,500 lbs. of cargo from the ISS.  Congratulations to SpaceX and NASA!.  John from Ft. Worth called to talk about the U.S. sanctions on Russia regarding the Crimea/Ukraine, the Atlas 5, the RD-180 engine and various straggles that might unfold for the ISS.  John was asking thought provoking questions which neither of us could answer but we do know the situation is largely political rhetoric and posturing right now but could easily change.  I asked John if he thought we might fast track the development of HSF and Dragon.  As he said, we wait and see.  Next, I took a very short break to return with my attempt to respond to the questions about Russia, the ISS, and sanctions asked by Kelly in his email which I read on air.  Our next caller was first time caller John from New Jersey who took us through to the end of the program.  John’s call was an excellent one & I urge you to listen to what he had to say.  We talked about the old shuttle policy, the possible use of depots, lunar settlement & using the Moon for training and experience to go further out in space.  We also talked about Mars and asteroid mission, then the issue of leadership came up regarding policy & in particular, space.  Like so many of us frustrated by our current situation, John was unable to find answers to how to advance policy.  I asked him if the militarization of space by another state actor might be a driver for the type of space activities we had been talking about.  He did not think so but listen to his answer.  One of his favorite comments  was to the effect that “we are having Star Trek dreams in a wagon train universe!”  Prior to ending our program, I went over our upcoming Space Show schedule.

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Richard Easton & Eric Frazier, Sunday, 11-3-13 November 4, 2013

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Richard Easton & Eric Frazier, Sunday, 11-3-13

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Guests:  Richard Easton & Eric Frazier.  Topics:  GPS and their book, “GPS Declassified: From Smart Bombs to Smartphones.”   Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed our two guests to this 1 hour 35 minute discussion of their new book on GPS, its history, workings, uses, and more.  Remember, if you buy this book through Amazon using the OGLF portal and instructions in our archives, on the blog, and on TSS website as well as OGLF’s website, Amazon will contribute to The Space Show.  If you need further instructions on how to do this, please let me know.  During  our first segment, Richard started out by telling us about the book and why he wrote it, then his meeting up with Eric to be his co-author.  We talked about the early programs that led to GPS including the TRANSIT satellite system (NAVSAT), Naval Research Lab, plus other early tracking systems. We talked about timation and we also talked about the GPS systems in other countries such as Russia, Europe, India, and China.  Eric explained why the book goes as far back as the Sputnik era and at times even earlier.  Doug called in to ask about higher resolution GPS that could for example tell you traffic lane information.  As you will hear, that capability is pretty much available now but the resolution and solutions depend on the GPS product one buys or that is a consumer product.  We also talked about jamming and spoofing regarding the military GPS systems.  Monroe called with questions about GPS Open Source and amateur rocketry, plus signal loss at high speed and 4 g’s or more.  Also in this segment, we talked about the consumer GPS voice wanting to know if it was a real woman’s voice or a computer simulation.

In the second segment, we talked more with Monroe and also about mapping issues as an overlay for the raw GPS data.  Barry called regarding GPS and automatic flight control systems, then we talked some more with our guests regarding the early days leading up to the development of GPS.  Toward the end, our guests mentioned the GPS contribution to our economic GNP! Classified issues were discussed in general but since none of us had a security clearance, classified GPS was just mentioned in passing.  The website for the book is www.gpsdeclassified.com and I urge you to check it out

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Brian Weeden, Wednesday, 10-23-13 October 23, 2013

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Brian Weeden, Wednesday, 10-23-13

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Guest:  Brian Weeden.  USAF Space Fence for national security.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Brian Weeden back to the program to discuss the issue of the shutting down of the USAF Space Fence.  Our discussion was based on Brian’s August 26, 2013 Space Review article, “Gambling with a Space Fence: An analysis of the decision to shut down the Air Force Space Surveillance Fence” at www.thespacereview.com/article/2357/1.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 29 minute discussion, Brian provided us with a brief history of the Space Fence, what it has been used for, its technical characteristics, and it recent cancellation partially due to sequestration regarding its approximate $15 million annual budget expense.  Brian also explained its capabilities in detecting spy satellites, space debris and other objects and the size of objects which it can detect.  He discussed both continuous wave radar and pulsed radar, pointing out that the fence which dated from the late 1950′s, was uncued.  Richard Easton called in as his father Roger was one of the developers for the space fence in January 1958.  Richard contributed greatly to our discussion.  Brian then talked about the probable replacement for the fence, an S Band fence which would result in higher frequencies enabling the detection of smaller objects, probably with a very high rate pulsed radar. Right now the S Band fence is estimated to cost about $1.8 billion but as you will hear, it may never be built.  As to how our national security has been impacted without the fence operating, Brian said it was difficult to assess so listen carefully to his analysis.  Brian also talked about challenging DOD budget issues, the difference in budget years with DOD as compared to the government as a whole, and again, sequestration.

In our second segment, Brian addressed several of the political issues surrounding the space fence issue.  When asked how long it would take for the S Band system to become operational were it funded, he said around 2018.  Two companies are competing to do it if and when the project is authorized and funded.  We also talked about the U.S. sharing satellite tracking information with all satellite operators including private companies, thus using an international partnership to finance the space fence since it benefits everyone. As you will hear, there appears to be control and sensitivity issues which prevent the air force from going that route. Later I asked Brian about stealth satellites and then he took a listener question about the way space debris was portrayed in the movie Gravity.  We spent some time discussing the impact of a movie like Gravity on the public regarding the space debris issue. As the program was ending, Brian said he was not that optimistic about a replacement fence and brought to our attention the need to upgrade computer systems that process the data.  As you will hear, this is a substantial problem that is not being addressed.

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 5-15-13 May 16, 2013

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 5-15-13

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Guests: John Batchelor, William Harwood, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics:  ISS ammonia repair, Kepler Space Telescope problems, GPS, Atlas 5, Falcon 9, NASA mood.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.

During our 11 minute plus discussion with William (Bill) Harwood, CBS space news space reporter at the Cape, we discussed the recent ISS problems with the ammonia cooling loop and the space walk repairs, the new problems with the Kepler Space Telescope which may suggest an ending of this marvelous planet finding tool, and the ULA Atlas 5 GPS launch.  I also asked Bill to compare an Atlas 5 launch to a Falcon 9 launch.  As our discussion was ending, John asked Bill if he thought NASA was becoming more accepting of private space and commercial crew efforts.  Bill talked about this for a few minutes, summarizing with his take of the NASA mood as a result of challenges facing the organization.

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The John Batchelor Show “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 11-28-12 November 29, 2012

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The John Batchelor Show “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 11-28-12

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Guests: John Batchelor, Clara Moskowitz, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics:  James Bond movies and NASA history.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11 minute discussion, Clara Moskowitz, science writer and editor at Live Science and Space.com, wrote an excellent article on the relationship of James Bond movies relative to the history of NASA with both human spaceflight as well as science missions.  You can read her excellent article at www.space.com/18394-james-bond-space-movies-50-years.html. During our Hotel Mars segment, John wanted to know if government agents were pork and old fashioned in a way similar to NASA/civil space programs.  Moonraker was discussed (for obvious reasons) plus we took a look at how Bond films evolved from the early days of Mercury with Dr. No to the latest movie, Skyfall, which uses advanced satellite and GPS technology as a natural part of our society and culture.  We noted how the Bond space component evolution in many ways mirrors the reality with our space program. We also speculated that there might be a future James Bond on a Virgin Galactic SS2 space vehicle or a Dragon and become part of the commercial space movement.

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Dr. Farouk El-Baz, Friday, 8-24-12 August 24, 2012

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Dr. Farouk El-Baz, Friday, 8-24-12

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Guest:  Dr. Farouk El-Baz.  Topics:  Apollo lunar landing site selection, lunar geology, Mars-desert analogs and more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Dr. Farouk El-Baz to The Space Show.  Please visit his website for lots more information on the topics we discussed, lots of great pictures, plus many additional important topics, www.faroudelbaz.com. We started our discussion with Dr. El-Baz having a Star Trek shuttle craft named in his honor. Its a great story you will enjoy hearing. From Star Trek, we got down to business and wanted to know about the Apollo lunar landing site selection process. Dr. El-Baz told us how they did it, especially given the absence of any real information about the lunar geology and surface.  Three of the concerns he mentioned included the site being free of rocks, absolutely flat, and making sure the Lunar Lander would not sink in the lunar dust.  What’s more, Dr. El-Baz was 29 years old when he was in charge of doing this.  As you will hear, age is an important part of this discussion in the second segment near the end of the program.  I did ask Dr. El-Baz about selecting sites using Egyptian mythology as conspiracy theories suggest, plus his response to those who do not believe we ever went to the Moon. With the latter point, he had much to say about Moon rocks as proof of our lunar visits.  His comments on Orion and mythology were very interesting.  Another question asked him dealt with the shutting down of the program.  NASA risk averseness was the top reason.  Nels asked many questions about a possible Apollo polar orbit and lunar ice.  Our guest had much to say about this, the sun angles needed for landing, lighting, and more.  As we moved to lunar commerce, our guest talked about mining titanium and HE3 but not at this time.  I asked Dr. El-Baz about the Apollo-Soyuz Test Flight (ASTF) and working with the Soviets, then we returned to the plausibility of lunar commerce at this time.

As we started the second segment, we talked about commercial ROI opportunities for cargo to the ISS by the private companies but he suggested everything else was more distant and would probably need testing & seeding by the government.  I then asked him about his work studying deserts and using Earth deserts as analogs for studying Mars.  Dr. El-Baz had much to say about deserts, Mars, about their formation by rivers that had dried up & were buried under sand and how they know that.  We talked about Earth movement, especially the SaharaDesert, and the impact of natural geological events on climate change.  Imaging satellites were discussed & I asked our guest if we would have been able to have today’s knowledge were it not for the space program.  Don’t miss his fascinating answer.  At another point in our discussion, Dr. El-Baz mentioned 126 separate university research projects during Apollo.  The last listener question asked our guest about the extremely young age of the Apollo scientific & work force.  Dr. El-Baz had much to say about this, said that the work could only have been done by people in their 20′s and 30′s.  He said the older folks need to step aside and let the young people go forward, make the mistakes & solve the problems.  In the end, age made a huge difference for the good of the Apollo program.  Our guest also commented on our present day aging space & technology workforce.

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Space Show-SWF Webinar, On-Orbit Satellite Servicing, Sunday, 8-19-12 August 20, 2012

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Space Show-SWF Webinar, On-Orbit Satellite Servicing, Sunday, 8-19-12

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Guests:  Brian Weeden, Richard DalBello, Major General, USAF (Retired) James B. Armor, Jr..  This is a SWF sponsored webinar addressing issues related to the on-orbit servicing of satellites.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, & discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, & any discussion must be relevant & applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS A TWO HOUR WEBINAR PRODUCTION SPONSORED BY THE SECURE WORLD FOUNDATION (SWF).  YOU CAN VIEW THIS WEBINAR AT https://vimeo.com/channels/thespaceshow.  We welcomed Brian Weeden, Richard DalBello, & Major General, USAF (Retired) James B. Armor, Jr. to the program for an in-depth discussion of on-orbit satellite servicing. This is a new business/industry that is emerging with great interest from governments, the satellite industry, & many other interested parties.  During our first webinar hour, our guests explained satellite on-orbit servicing, why the interest in it, the values on the table, & the economics behind this developing industry.  We heard from the perspective of the satellite operator with Mr. DalBello, from General Armor with the perspective of a company wanting to provide these services plus what they are commercially doing now in this emerging industry.  Gen. Armor talked about the new ATK venture for satellite repair, Vivisat (www.vivisat.com).  He was followed by Mr. Weeden who connected the dots with us regarding the big picture implications for security, stability, & policy.  We talked about liability issues, insurance, & LEO & GEO satellites in terms of their respective economic value & lifespan.  A listener asked about GPS satellites, launch costs, & competition here & abroad.  In fact, Brian mentioned several projects outside the US with the Canadians, Germans, & JAXA.  Toward the end of the first hour, caller Jack asked about testing & reliability, wondering if repairing satellites would reduce reliability engineering & testing on the ground, thus lowering the satellite’s cost given the possibility of on-orbit repair.  Ben followed asking if satellites having a longer life would be sold, comparing this potential to selling real estate once a property has been fully depreciated.

In our webinar second hour, Brian described the DARPA Phoenix Satellite Service project, http://www.darpa.mil/our_work/tto/programs/phoenix.aspx.  The issue of satellite abandonment came up & as you will hear, there is no way to abandon any object in space.  Another issue in this segment was space situational awareness (SSA).  We talked about SSA in LEO, with the new entrepreneurial small satellite companies doing LEO ventures, & the implication of this new industry for launching to & operating in GEO.  Later in this segment, we learned that there was no commercial incentive to address the space debris issue. Don’t miss the analysis behind this statement as its important in understanding the space debris issue.  A listener asked Richard about launch vehicle insurance & premiums, specifically for the Falcon 9.  Also in this segment we talked about the NASA satellite servicing mission, the Restore Mission (http://ssco.gsfc.nasa.gov/robotic_servicing_mission.html).  As our webinar drew to a close, we addressed the importance of a STEM education for our young students & the exciting space projects that today’s students will get to do in their careers. Everyone’s closing comments reflected the future orientation & focus for this evolving industry.

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Dr. Friedmann Freund & Brian Shiro, Tuesday, 6-5-12 June 6, 2012

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Dr. Friedmann Freund & Brian Shiro, Tuesday, 6-5-12

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Guests:  Dr. Friedmann Freund, Brian Shiro.  Topics:  Earthquake forecasting & space resources.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, & discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, & any discussion must be relevant & applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Friedmann Freund & the return of Brian Shiro to the program to discuss earthquake forecasting & analysis using space based resources.  During our first segment, Dr. Freund & Mr. Shiro outlined the basis of their research & we talked about the use of both terrestrial & space based tools to aid the process.  We talked about satellite detection of the Ion currents & changes in the ionosphere & how this data is correlated with terrestrial data.  We talked about the direction earthquake prediction was heading & were told why the use of “prediction” was not preferable. Instead, the more accurate & useful term is forecasting.  Also mentioned was a private company with a series of ground stations, QuakeFinder (www.quakefinder.com).  Our guest talked about how this private sector commercial data gets integrated into the public sector data base & why their information is both valuable & important.  Questions were asked about the importance of the ionosphere but we also learned that the currents & waves start deep in the Earth, work their way to the surface & then can be detected as they move upward through the various atmospheric layers to the ionosphere.  Our guests explained how our space resources actually track & monitor this information.  Another point made was that we do not have real time information in advance of an event though if we had swarms of satellites or a satellite network designed to monitor areas 24/7, we would be able to be present with “eyes” before & when an event happened.  Funding issues were discussed & we heard that much of the research discussed on our program is considered “out of the box” & difficult to fund by the traditional process along with getting projects peer reviewed.  I asked about the potential of the philanthropic model for this research as it has come up on several Space Show programs.  Our guests had much to say about this potential source of funding.

In our second segment, we talked about progress being made between traditional geophysical researchers & those doing the out of the box work such as our guests.  As it turns out, there is progress on this front & Dr. Freund updated us on it.  We switched to the suborbital field as I met Dr. Freund at the recently held suborbital conference & our discussions over lunch formed the basis for this program. There does appear to be sufficient commercial suborbital research opportunities with this developing seismic research field. Next, we talked about animal behavior for earthquake forecasting & both our guests told us anecdotal stories. We learned how Dr. Freund is correlating animal behavior earthquake research with the scientific research. Toward the end of the program, Emma in NYC who asked several questions, wanted to know about Mars quakes & Moon quakes.  Our guests talked about earthquake research throughout the solar system & what we know & don’t know.  We learned that there are no geophysical research instruments providing direct information to us from Mars or anywhere in space because of the high cost of the hardware, the quantity of research tools needed, & the complex & costly operating expenses.  Other discussion topics included the possibility of mitigating an earthquake, various research projects such as the USGS Parkfield Earthquake Experiment & the EarthScope Project.  Please post your comments/questions on the blog.

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William (Bill) Mellberg, Tuesday, 1-31-12 February 1, 2012

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William (Bill) Mellberg, Tuesday, 1-31-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1702-BWB-2012-01-31.mp3

Guest:  William (Bill) Mellberg.  Topics:  Comparing aviation to commercial space regarding markets, safety, and more. Explorer 1 54th anniversary.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Bill Mellberg to the program to compare the early days of aviation with today’s commercial space industry. We also honored the 54th anniversary of Explorer 1.  Mr. Mellberg started the discussion with Explorer 1 by talking about the early history of Vanguard, Explorer 1, Werner Von Braun, Ernst Stuhlinger & more. Richard Easton called & we talked about timing, GPS, clock synchronization, his Dad’s work, and Vanguard early history.  Turning to our main topic, comparing the early days of aviation history to the commercial space industry today, our guest said it was a flawed comparison.  During the first segment, he explains in detail his reasoning which has to do with commercial markets, what the government is paying for regarding commercial space as compared to what it paid for with aviation, specifically the Kelly Air Mail Act of 1925.  We also talked about the early history of Fokker Aircraft Company which he tied into our discussion on markets, market timing, and production capabilities.  Mr. Mellberg addressed human spaceflight safety from the point of view that it would be extremely hard for the commercial companies to master safety given the complexities & costs of human spaceflight & the potential damage or even ruination of the company should there be a fatal accident.  Before the segment ended, our guest drove home the lack of commercial markets for human spaceflight.  There must be HSF markets other than the government market for the ISS.  

In our second segment, our guest cited some airplane examples that were ahead of the market and suffered from bad market timing.  He then used the SST as an example of the points he was making about high operating costs, no or limited markets, government subsidies, etc.  He went over the economics of why the Boeing SST was killed by our congress and what happens when the ticket price is so high that a broad market cannot be realized.  Listeners and callers asked about government regulation crippling innovation.  Bill then suggested the path to commercialization was with a program such a what Dr. Spudis and Dr. Lavoie have proposed in their paper “Using the resources of the Moon to create a permanent, cislunar space faring system” as well as on The Space Show. You can read their paper at www.spudislunarresources.com/Bibliography/p/102.pdf.  Bill said that eventually as cislunar economic develop evolves, so would commercial markets and opportunities.  He also recommended the NASA reorganization plan proposed last year by Dr. Harrison Schmitt. You can read his plan at www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=37176.  Our guest suggested that we should use the money being invested in commercial human spaceflight to do space exploration projects because commercial space today is an unnecessary diversion of scarce resources in a tight economy.  Throughout our discussion, he talked about government contracting and why it is different today, not commercial, and unlike what was done in early aviation and with airmail.  At the end of the program, our guest treated us to some of his political humor and impersonations per his program, “An Evening With The Presidents.”

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