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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14 September 24, 2014

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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14

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Guest:  Dr. Frank Martin.  Topic:  The NRC “Pathways to Exploration: Rationales and Approaches for a U.S. Program of Human Space Exploration” report.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Frank Martin to the program to discus the NRC human spaceflight study along with all aspects of human spaceflight including various destinations and missions.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 39 minute show, Dr. Martin introduced us to the NRC Pathways study which you can download for free by using Google.  He suggested it was a dose of reality as well as optimism.  He said the study was very clear in saying “show me the money” for those wanting to do humans to Mars missions now or fairly soon and then explained some of the high costs and trades involved in these missions.  One of his overriding themes throughout our discussion was the need to manage a very large mass in LEO in order to accomplish the goals of long duration human space mission.  During our segment, we kept coming back to the need to manage a large mass in LEO and how this translated to costs as well as the need for technology advancement.  Both myself and listeners asked our guest about doing human missions cheaper by using the private sector.  This subject kept coming up during both segments of the program.  We also addressed the rational for human spaceflight.  In addition, the issue of walking away from HSF was looked at for the US as a nation as that is an option. The report attempted to address this and related issues.   Joe sent in an email about the mice on the ISS and using them to determine the gravity RX for HSF.  He sent us several additional emails on this subject as well.  This prompted comments about the need to use the ISS for research in support of long duration HSF missions.  Dr. Martin said Mars was an horizon goal.  In this context, he talked about only a few other possible destinations near us, either the Moon or an asteroid.  He then proceeded to address the issue of managing the risk for a Mars mission.  Beverly asked a budget question and taking the lead from the most recent Mike Griffin interview, she asked Frank if it really was just a choice to be constrained by budget issues.  While Frank agreed it was a choice, he said there were very good ways and choices to spend taxpayer money so he did not see significantly more money for space in the future.  Another listener talked about nuclear propulsion which also crossed into the second segment.  Near the end of the first segment, we got a call from a New Zealand listener.  During his call, the idea of the Buzz Aldrin Mars cycler came up and there was a question or two about fuel depots.

In the second segment, I asked Dr. Martin why the study took 18 months, then SLS John called the program.  John wanted to talk nuclear propulsion thinking it would be a cost saver but what was not known was the accurate cost of the R&D program or the cost for jumping through political hurdles.  John suggested a new administration would make a difference and I challenged that.  I asked Frank given all his years of space industry experience if it was reasonable to expect big changes in space policy due to a change in administrations.  Don’t miss Frank’s reply.  Dwayne called back to question the HSF rational. One of the points made by Dwayne was that cooperation with the Russians on the ISS does not modify Russia’s behavior other than for space.

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Dr. Mike Griffin, Tuesday, 9-16-14 September 17, 2014

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Dr. Mike Griffin, Tuesday, 9-16-14

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Guest:  Dr. Mike Griffin.  Topics: Human spaceflight policy, political choices, space technology, Mars, Moon, Asteroids and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back to the program Dr. Mike Griffin.  During the first segment of our 90 minute discussion, Mike talked about human spaceflight (HSF) and the commercial space market.  He said exploration would be a government project or at least with government in the lead, especially if the commercial market was not there.  He threw water on the argument that our space policy was budget driven.  Instead, he talked about it being based on choices we make. It was not and is not about the money.  His comments throughout or discussion on this topic supported his argument.  He even said the cost of space for the U.S. taxpayer was around 15 cents/day.  This discussion evolved to one on the importance of leadership which we agreed was in short supply today.  Included in this discussion was Mike’s vision for our space policy & program, plus he explained its importance and value to our nation both today and for the future.  He spoke to the issue of what society wants and the choices it makes that shape our future.  Space should be part of our national policy debate and hopefully such a debate would enable quality choices to be made that keep us on the leadership edge with all nations.   Mike was asked who he thought would be next on the Moon and he said China.  We also talked about the private sector taking us back to the Moon with HSF.  He said that the private sector could do this, capital was not an issue, but for the private sector to do it there needs to be a closing of the business case which he did not see at this time.  SLS John called in & asked about space advocacy diversity which he said seemed to be at war with NASA & whatever the program of record might be.  Mike had much to say about this, especially about inefficiencies in government organizations and projects.  He also said if the private venture or industry cannot make money, then it should be a federal project. Many times during our discussion he said that there are things that a society should do just because they are hard & they don’t have to look good on the balance sheet.  John also asked about the RD-180 engine, Mike offered us his conclusion as to why we should be a new version of the RD-180 so that we do not continue being dependent on Russia for space related hardware, etc.  Later, he was asked about cislunar space development which he said should be a public enterprise.  He cited many examples and models supporting the public development of this important space infrastructure.  SLS was discussed.  Mike very clearly articulated the case for SLS today and again repeated that SLS future missions are about choices, not the budget.  Don’t miss his comments.  As the segment ended, Randy emailed a question asking for the rational & silver bullet for HSF.  In my opinion, Mike gave an excellent response to this question so don’t miss it.

In the second segment, Mike got some questions about NASA doing more R&D and even forming a NACA-like division or program.  We talked about NASA R&D, the need for a NACA-like program and more.  Dave, our caller, commented on leadership, then Bill in Denver emailed in a question about using fuel depots and smaller launch vehicles rather than heavy lift vehicles like SLS.  Again, Mike had much to say about heavy lift, including that while possible to do smaller vehicle launches., the numbers don’t pan out for efficiency.  You need to listen to this full discussion which also addressed some bogus assumptions regarding inefficient heavy lift decision making.  Nuclear propulsion and Vasimr came up, , then we again focused on vision that takes on big challenges because we can!  More was said on lunar colonies evolving to longer BLEO missions plus cislunar commerce, especially cislunar cargo missions.  Another listener asked about being dependent on the Russians for HSF to the ISS and if shuttle was retired too early.  Mike talked about having wanted to fly shuttle at a minimum rate annually until a new vehicle was operational.  We talked about the role of the congress and White House as compared to the role of the NASA Administrator.  Later, we talked about the role of public support and individuals petitioning congress on space policy.  Listen to his story about the Hubble repair mission.  I even asked if poorly written and fantasy driven letters to informed staffers helped or hurt the cause.  Listen for Mike’s response. In summary, Mike said his wish was that people would share is view that there are important things for society to do but that don’t look good on a balance sheet.  In the end, he said he was optimistic that his positive views on space would prevail and that when policy makers realized that China was going to put people on the Moon and what that would mean for the US, it would not be allowed to happen.

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon – Evoloterra- Sunday, 7-20-14 July 21, 2014

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon – Evoloterra- Sunday, 7-20-14

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Guests:  Rand Simberg, Bill Simon.  Topics:  Evoloterra Ceremony and our Moon landing July 20, 1969, current HSF issue.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon, co-authors of Evoloterra which commemorated when we first left planet Earth and landed on another planet.  To follow along with us with the ceremony, visit http://www.evoloterra.com.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 51 minute program, Rand and Bill explained the significance of the July 20, 1969 date and their Evoloterra ceremony.  Rand also said that our earlier Moon program was a dead end path and that we will not be going back to the Moon the way we did Apollo. This comment provided an overriding theme throughout the program as Rand explained why large unaffordable rockets were not the way to do things when we could do smaller rockets, use fuel depots, and make space more affordable.  Bill explained the July 20th significance saying it was the turning point when humans were no longer bound by Earth.  Rand and Bill read the Evoloterra introduction which is a passage from an Arthur C. Clarke novel.  Bill also pointed out the significance of going to the Moon in peace and that the U.S. made no effort to nationalize or conquer the Moon.  Rand and Bill then took us back to the affordable and scalable space program needs and said that our current program was neither affordable or scalable.  I asked them both for lessons learned and I bet you won’t be surprised by the answer I got.  Rand cited SpaceX many times during the program, especially as a model for affordable space and for having a vision.  In response to listener questions, Rand said cost was a nonsense issue.  Don’t miss why he said this multiple times during our program.  Near the end of the segment, our guests talked about the myth of Apollo, space leadership issues, and Rand’s frequent statement that nobody cares about space which he then demonstrates by the space policies now in play.

In Part 2, Rand talked about his USA Today article, “Apollo Program A Flameout At 40″ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/18/apollo-nasa-anniversary-moon-column/12734813).  Rand also mentioned Part 3 of the Brian Berger series on space in the Houston Chronicle (www.houstonchronicle.com/nasa/adrift/3).  During this segment, we talked more about the Evoloterra ceremony, how it was modeled on the Seder, & the importance of ritual in helping people remember historical and important events.  Later, space property rights came up for discussion, then our guests each gave us closing comments.  Rand’s summary was that there was a better way than the big rocket.  Bill Said Apollo 11 was a water shed event.

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Jim Plaxco, Monday, 7-14-15 July 15, 2014

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Jim Plaxco, Monday, 7-14-15

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Guest:  Jim Plaxco.  Topics:  The ASS ISS science platform, R&D, commercial space, SLS & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.    For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Jim Plaxco to the program. During the first segment of our 96 minute discussion, Jim initially talked about the recent American Astronautical Society (ASS) conference which had a focus on ISS research.  Jim provided us with a quality discussion about science in space and aboard the ISS.  We addressed many important issues including ISS crew limitations, the probable life expectancy of the ISS, the type of science done on station, & payload size limitations, including returning to Earth.  We talked about private sector experiments, especially those with NanoRacks.

In the same segment, we talked about suborbital science missions which seem to be just around the corner.  Jim sees much that is positive coming from these suborbital science missions.  Suborbital space tourism was also a topic in this segment.  So was the possibility of Bigelow space stations.  As the segment ended, we honed in on the need to lower the cost of space access.  In our second segment, we started off with SLS as our topic.  Jim said he was pro space and cautious at best regarding SLS.  We talked about markets for space projects and both of us suggested an absence of markets for SLS though Jim did reference the Data Purchase Act.  Bigelow Aerospace habs came up for more discussion.  Doug called in and discussed the idea of a separate NASA for science and HSF.  Jim had much to say about this concept.  Near the end of the program, I asked Jim where he thought HSF would be in five years.  We also talked about the suborbitals going orbital (if possible).  Jim suggested the industry faced three challenges including financing, the economy, and the regulatory risks.  Note that technical challenges were not among his top challenges.  Our final topic addressed international partnership for both public and private space ventures.

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Frank Van Renesselear, Tuesday, 6-10-14 June 11, 2014

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Frank Van Renesselear, Tuesday, 6-10-14

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Guest:  Franklin (Frank) Van Rensselaer, Jr.  Topics:  Schafer Corp Aerospace & Strategic Business Development, commercial space, markets, capital.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Frank Van Rensselear to the program to discuss Schafer Corp and various commercial space topics and issues.  Our program was an hour long so we had only one segment.  We started our discussion with by talking with our guest about his experience as an Apollo Flight Controller and he described his position as The Booster.  He shared some of his experiences with us, especially for Apollo 8 and Apollo 12 which was hit by lightening shortly after launch.  Frank was also on the job through Skylab and the ASTP.  Listen and enjoy the history.  We then jumped into his experiences in commercial space and his having developed over $300 million in new business when he was with the Harris Corporation.  Our guest was asked about the newly released NRC Pathways Human Spaceflight Study and he said he basically agreed with it in that we do not have enough money, we can’t do meaningful and inspiring projects, and overall he suggested this was demeaning to the country.  We talked for several minutes about tight budget issues for NASA and the way congress and the American people set priorities which do not seem to include human spaceflight.  I suggested this is a choice & asked how we get policy and budget pros within the system to make different choices in support of HSF. Frank was asked if Constellation had not been cancelled if we would be in a similar position today with our dependency on Russia and related issues.  He did not think so but listen to his full response.  We talked about the RD-180 engine and the likelihood that congress will appropriate funds to make a U.S. replacement engine.  This brought up the need for such an engine if we have Delta and soon will have Falcon 9 which still gives us two independent launchers for high value national security payloads.  Frank had lots to say on this subject, on SpaceX and ULA, along with the importance of these national security satellites and launches.  John in Tucson emailed him about SLS on which our guest also had much to say.  But as long as we are focused on tight budget issues, the program has been & will be disappointing. Again, you don’t want to miss all of his comments on this issue.  Military space was a discussion topic as was public opinion suggesting space is not that relevant any more. We talked about Inspiration Mars being able to inspire but we both doubted it would happen.  Tony called in to ask about reusability & why the space shuttle was compromised and reusability taken out. In the end, our guest suggested that reusability would be key to our space future.  Next, we talked about Schafer Corp and its activities.  We learned that they consult and work with several NewSpace companies and they are hiring but typically they go for experienced engineers, not fresh out college grads.  I asked Frank for his perspective on the recently announced Google purchase of Skybox Imaging for $500 million.  This too was a most interesting discussion you do not want to miss.  Other topics during our program included billionaire space investors, suborbital tourism, space settlement, and commercial space growth by sectors.  Here we talked markets, needed infrastructure and capital acquisition for lunar projects and the like.  Our guest talked about the need for government sponsored infrastructure in advance of lunar commercial projects and suggested only government was capable of footing the bill for the needed  infrastructure.  He said raising the actual capital was a challenge and that at this time, it would really be uphill for lunar ventures.  In his concluding remarks, he said he was bullish for commercial space and private space companies and that going commercial was a good thing as it has & will bring in fresh ideas & projects.  His final question was about 3D printing for space.

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Open Lines, Sunday, 4-13-14 April 14, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 4-13-14

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Guest:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston. Topics: Russian lunar program, UFOs, SpaceX & reusability, NASA.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Today’s Open Lines discussion took place over a few segments and for about 1 hour 45 minutes.  Our Open Lines discussion started with my providing scheduling announcements as there will be no live shows the week of April 21 due to  medical issues I need to address.  Rather than play specific OLDIE programs which I usually do in the absence of a live show, I suggested that listeners go through the archives and listen to an archived show or two of their choice, compare what you heard on the archived show to similar issues in space today, then call our next special Open Lines show which will probably be Sunday, April 27 and share your thoughts and perspectives with us.  For this Open Lines program,  I also suggested a few discussion topics including Russia’s Putin saying “We are coming to the Moon FOREVER” as reported in the MailOnline on April 11, 2014.  You can read the article I discussed on the show at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2602291/We-coming-Moon-FOREVER-Russia-sets-plans-conquer-colonise-space-including-permanent-manned-moon-base.html.  It reported Russia wanted to go to the Moon, colonize it and stay there as Russia was viewing the Moon as its own permanent colony along with similar colonies it wants to establish on Mars and asteroids.  Putin also mentioned Russia was in a race to the Moon.  Next, we fielded a few email listener questions, then John from Ft. Worth called the program to discuss an H2 documentary he saw on UFOs, “I know What I Saw.”  John talked about the documentary and other items for most of the balance of our first segment. His discussion topics included various presidential statements to Air Force and other official statements to noted UFO/ET incidents that have been reported around the world. While this is not a usual Space Show topic, it does come up from time to time.  I’ve not seen the documentary John referenced but if you want to see it, do a Google search for “I Know What I Saw” and you will find it on YouTube.  I’ll probably watch it at some point but in reading the comments about it, the reviews are definitely mixed. John also talked about the upcoming SpaceX Falcon 9 launch and its reusability plans. He asked some thoughtful technical questions about reusability but I was unable to answer them. I was hoping a listener would call in with answers as I know many who listen to The Space Show follow the Falcon 9 and reusability in great detail but they did not call in today. For those of you listening on archives, if you would like to respond to John’s comments and questions, please do so on The Space Show blog.

In our second segment, Jan emailed in asking if I would consider working with substitute hosts when I was not available for the show, similar to what happens on other talk shows when the host is not available.  In general, I am open to that but running The Space Show is very equipment intensive and I use a home studio so as I told Jan, I don’t have a clue how to work with substitute or guest hosts from the logistical point of view. I told her I was open to suggestions which I am.  Earlier, I read a PR piece about the total lunar eclipse which should be seen in the Southwest the night of the 14th and the early morning of the 15th.  Anthony sent in a note correcting the times I put out as I read the PR announcement wrong.  If anyone sees it, let us know what you thought of it on the next Open Lines show.  John from Ft. Worth called back in this segment to talk about possibilities for the Russian lunar program mentioned in the article I brought up in the first segment.  He talked about the lack of interest for doing lunar activities in the U.S. and the reason for doing it is still largely national prestige.  A listener sent in an interesting question about differences in commercial space, private space, & entrepreneurial space.  Joe sent in an email commenting “what is going to happen to the space industry when Elon and SpaceX successfully land a fly-back booster?”  We discussed the premise of Joe’s question and as I said, the industry is already seeing & feeling the impact of SpaceX Falcon 9 in the market place so if they prove out reusability and its potential cost saving features, I suspect the industry will be forced to make some significant changes and adjustments in their respective business models.

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Lee Hutchinson, Monday, 3-17-14 March 18, 2014

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Lee Hutchinson, Monday, 3-17-14

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Guest:  Lee Hutchinson.  Topics:  The possible Columbia Space Shuttle rescue mission.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Lee Hutchinson to the program to discuss his recent article, “The audacious rescue plan that might have saved space shuttle Columbia” which you can read at http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/the-audacious-rescue-plan-that-might-have-saved-space-shuttle-columbia.  Note that Mr. Hutchinson said he found the possible rescue plan spelled out in the CAIB report in seldom discussed Appendix D13 of the report.  In questioning Lee, we also learned that the plan did not exist real time with Columbia but was actually requested as part of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board’s work.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 28 minute program, our guest told us why he wrote the article and how he noticed the possible rescue plan back when he was tasked with reviewing the CAIB Report.  During this segment, our guest described all parts of the plan and we discussed the likelihood of it having worked had it been implemented.  Lee also discussed probable & significant timing issues with parts of the rescue plan making it unlikely to have been implemented had it been a real time plan under consideration.  It was dependent upon too many things happening precisely on time and schedule, something that was not always possible with shuttle launches.  Lee also went over the specific crew training issues that would have been required, plus issues in using EVA suits and getting them to and from Columbia for the astronauts to use.  Listeners asked many questions including questions about NASA management at the time, risk averseness, & the NASA culture. Lee was asked about the comments & feedback he received from writing his article.  As the segment ended, Mr. Hutchinson discussed plane change maneuvers and the significance of the orbital inclination of Columbia and the ISS.

In the second segment, a Cleveland listener ask for Lee’s thoughts on SLS-Orion.  Lee & I talked about this & the NASA culture plus the need for heavy lift assuming there are missions for it.  He was asked if the shuttle could fly without pilots, then we went back to SLS.  He also told us about his interest in the redesign of the F1 engine.  You can read his articles on the F1 here:  http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/how-nasa-brought-the-monstrous-f-1-moon-rocket-back-to-life; http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/new-f-1b-rocket-engine-upgrades-apollo-era-deisgn-with-1-8m-lbs-of-thrust.  Lee received several email questions regarding the foam strike on Columbia & foam modification efforts.  He was also asked about the shuttle repair kit which was carried on subsequent shuttle flights.  Benny asked if a 3D printer on board could have made the materials to repair the Columbia damage.

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Mark Bray, Tuesday, 2-11-14 February 12, 2014

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Mark Bray, Tuesday, 2-11-14

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Guest:  Mark Bray.  Topics:  Huntsville area space update, SLS from the inside, U.S. space policy, leadership issues. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Mark Bray for a Huntsville space area update and a unique view from the inside on SLS and U.S. space policy.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 49 minute discussion, Mark shared his personal assessment of the Huntsville area space economy, the moods of contractors and NASA workers, & the space IQ for the Huntsville general population.  For the most part, Mark reported stability but lots of uncertainty.  In contrast, the last time Mark did an area update for us, there were still layoffs happening, lots of uncertainty and personal stress, and stability was far from the scene.  We then switched to SLS which was a topic through most of the show because Mark is a contractor working on SLS.  Its important to note that Mark was speaking for himself on the program, not for his employer, NASA, or his fellow workers and area space employees.  Mark works in the SLS materials lab so we asked him all sorts of questions about the big rocket.  For example, I drilled him on the mood of SLS workers given they certainly had to know about the hate-love war going on over SLS within the space community.  Mark answered all these questions for us, including questions about possible competitive pressure from SpaceX.  We talked extensively about commercial space development and the need for commercial markets.  Mark spent some time on the issue of markets because without them, one has no viable commercial activity.  Mark then honed in on the problem of political leadership regarding space saying that NASA and related organizations were not the problem. This opened the door for multiple discussions during the balance of the program going after what Mark and I both thought was an absence of quality political leadership in the country and the partisan warfare between the two main parties preventing workable solutions for many if not all the nation’s problems.  Before the segment ended, I asked Mark about the Chinese lunar lander & robot and what people thought about it.  He said most were frustrated that we (the U.S.) was not doing more as we were not operating even close to our potential.

In the second segment, Doug called to ask about public/private partnerships, COTS like programs, and he talked about his Lunar Cots ideas.  Doug asked about reducing costs.  Mark seized the opportunity to again state that engineering technology & NASA management were not the real problems but that leadership issues in Washington were at the center of the problems.  John then called from Ft. Worth.  He wanted to talk about SLS cost numbers & asked Mark why it was so expensive given the assumption that much of it came from already developed projects including Ares components and more. Don’t miss what Mark had to say about this.  John then asked Mark for his personal thoughts on the news that SpaceX will build a rocket larger than the Saturn V in about ten years.  Again, don’t miss his answer.  Near the end of the show, in summary mode, Mark repeated that the biggest challenge was a market challenge.  What is the market? Is there a long term market? How big is the market?  As the show was ending, we asked Mark about the viability of human spaceflight.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach Mark Bray through me.

Open Lines, Sunday, 1-12-14 January 13, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 1-12-14

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Guest:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics: A wide ranging discussion focusing on student space inspiration, heavy lift, SLS, commercial space & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

Welcome to this 2 hour 11 minute wide ranging discussion with a surprising debate between two callers in the latter part of the second half of the show.  During the first segment, we started out with a call from Paul to talk about his AIAA Spaceflight Challenge Program for inspiring students.  The purpose of this program is to inspire students to be involved in space development and exploration.  Paul will keep us posted on the project as it develops over the coming months.  Charles Pooley called in next to tell us that his Microlaunchers book was out and that he and his co-author would be on The Space Show to discuss it in detail Monday, Jan. 13, 2014.  The book, “Microlaunchers: Technology for a New Space Age,” is available through Amazon.  If you buy it and I suggest you do, use the OGLF Amazon portal so Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show.  Directions for doing this are on each blog archive, website archive, TSS website home page and on www.onegiantleapfoundation.org.  Let me know if you have any questions.  I believe you will be impressed with his long awaited book and hats off to Charles for finally getting it done and for doing a terrific job with it.

In our second segment, we took a call from an upstate NY college student inquiring about the returning to the Moon, lunar commerce and such.  Following Eric’s call, Marshall called in from Texas to talk about how inspiring TSS has been for him.  We also talking space mining issues with him, the use of robots and more.  Our next caller was SLS John.  John is a strong advocate for SLS and he again articulated the case for the completion of SLS.  I challenged him again with the usual arguments against SLS which did not phase him.  Dr. Jurist wanted to comment on what SLS John was saying so using another phone line, Dr. Jurist (Montana John) and SLS John had a lengthy and detailed exchange, both supporting heavy lift and SLS , although with reservations, especially from Montana John as you will hear in their discussion.  Its an interesting discussion but I doubt it will change the minds of listeners regardless of how they see and think about SLS.  That said, I strongly suggest you listen to their entire discussion many key points were addressed by both callers.  As the show was ending, I went over some of the key upcoming guests scheduled for The Space Show.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  If you want to reach any of the callers, do so through drspace@thespaceshow.com.

The Space Show Classroom with Drs. Jurist & Logan, Monday, 1-6-14 January 7, 2014

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The Space Show Classroom with Drs. Jurist & Logan, Monday, 1-6-14

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Guests: Dr. Jim Logan, Dr. John Jurist.  Topics:  Space advocacy magical/fantasy thinking, radiation, rockets, HSF & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Drs. Jurist and Logan to this CLASSROOM program which addressed many issues of the 2 hours 1 minute broadcast.  We started out with Dr. Logan discussing fantasy or magical thinking going back to the influence of a 2001 Space Odyssey movie poster had on him.  From there, Jim went into a discussion about Constellation, then the Space Shuttle as examples of what he was talking about and as to how programs and faulty ideas grow and multiply.  He also talked about life science challenges.  A listener asked him about space politics, then Dr. Jurist offered additional examples with a focus on air launch.  Our guests then discussed thinking based on agendas and ideology.  One of the keys suggested for breaking out of this magical thinking mode involved surrounding yourself with really smart people.  Later, I offered my perspective on that given my own experiences early on in Space Show time and before.   Both Jim and John said a few times that one needs to know his or her limitations.  Our guests then talked due diligence with assumption building, fact checking, disclosures, and more.  I relayed my own wake -up call experience due to Al Zaehringer who was on the show several times years ago before he passed on.  Before the segment ended, Jim told us a story about the Wright Brothers and their Wright Flyer experience.  In our second segment, John Hunt called in to talk about Jim’s Space Shuttle comments.  This was a lengthy discussion with John, Jim, & John Jurist.  Jim talked about advantages with Saturn V including economic advantages over shuttle to LEO.  Subjects of reusability came up along with issues of getting a specific payload to orbit which our guests suggested advocacy often glosses over with facts and trades for payload mass fractions involved in reusability.  Dr. Logan brought up and discussed what he called NASA Brinkmanship Strategy.  Jim then talked about the reality of sending payloads to the ISS using shuttle.   Trent in Australia sent a message about magical thinking with Mars One.  Our last caller was Alan from St. Louis who said John and Jim were too negative in their discussion.  Alan then talked about using smaller rockets over heavy lift and was working to make the case that we have to work with what we have.  He also talked about evolving up from smaller, not starting off with the biggest.  Each of us responded to Alan.  It’s a discussion you do not want to miss.

Please post your comments/questions on either or both The Space Show Blog above or The Space Show Classroom blog, http://spaceshowclassroom.wordpress.com.  You can reach all of the participants including the callers through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

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