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MIT Students Analysis of the Mars One Mission Plan, Tuesday, 11-25-14 November 26, 2014

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MIT Students Analysis of the Mars One Mission Plan, Tuesday, 11-25-14

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Guests:  Sydney Do, Koki Ho, Sam Schreiner, Andrew Owens.  Topic:  This program provides a comprehensive discussion of the Mars One Mission Plan by the MIT student team.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.  We welcomed the MIT team from the Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics to discuss their paper and work “An Independent Assessment Of The Technical Feasibility Of The Mars One Mission Plan.  Download their study at http://web.mit.edu/sydneydo/Public/Mars%20One%20Feasibility%20Analysis%20IAC14.pdf.  You can also download the Reddit discussion mentioned in the second half of our program at http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/2irk1u/mit_study_predicts_marsone_colony_will_run_out_of.  In addition, check out the MIT Strategic Research Engineering Group at http://strategic.mit.edu.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 49 minute program, Sydney started with background on why the team undertook the Mars One Mission Plan analysis, told us their goals and objectives for doing the analysis, and the role that each team member played in examining the Mars One Mission Plan.  We addressed most of the issues brought to our attention by the MIT study, many in great detail.  We also asked the team about their feedback from the space community as well as Mars One. So far, they have not been in touch with Mars One though they did ask Mars One for information in doing their analysis but no reply was received.  What they have heard from Mars One to date has been through third party reports.  On the other hand, the public’s response has been both very good and helpful.  You will have a better understanding of this and the open source software the team used when you listen to Kirk’s call at the top of the second segment.  The MIT team did not seek out or interview any of the Mars One mission volunteers, advocates, or supporters.  Much was said about Mars One website claims that their mission could be done with current technology including technology used on the ISS.  The MIT team took a hard look at these claims and then evaluated the claims which fell short.  They explained the technologies, the TRLs, and why they fell short of Mars One claims and needs.  We also talked about the ever increasing launch mass every two years with a new crew, supplies, etc.  They showed how this was not sustainable and why.  We talked about the very high number of launches needed before the first crew ever got to Mars plus the increasing number of launches needed at each two year launch window using the Falcon Heavy and a modified Dragon as suggested by Mars One.  The number of launches and their close-in interval has never been done before, even on a global basis.  We talked about making parts on Mars with 3D printing but noted that was not a current technology but that it would evolve over time with no time line available as to when 3D printing could reduce launch masses on the resupply missions.  Much was said about growing crops on Mars, separating the crop environment from the human environment and why, the need for much larger crop space than suggested by Mars One, plus a host of other critically related issues revolving around CO2 and O2.  As you will hear, the logistics of the Mars One settlement are complicated, costly, and very challenging.  The MIT team also determined that it might prove cheaper to bring food up from Earth rather than trying to grow the needed food supplies on Mars.  The MIT team pointed out that the one way mission not only made the Mars settlement far more complex but significantly more costly given it does not have an ending point.  During both segments, our MIT guests pointed out many of the assumptions in play by Mars One, where they were able to work with Mars One assumptions, and when they had to go to the literature, including NASA, to work the problem.  In this segment, I asked out guests at what point would the Mars One settlement be independent from Earth.  Their answer might surprise you.  As the segment closed, a listener asked if they had read the book “The Martian” and what they thought of it.  A few team members had read it & they liked it.  Listen to what they said about that type of survival on Mars and how missions were plan to avoid such a predicament.

 

In the second segment, Kirk was first up with his call from Trinidad.  He talked about the plant models and open source files and the error the MIT team made which they briefly mentioned in the first segment.  This relates to a flaw in the open source program dealing with CO2 and O2.  It’s a good discussion which also took place offline with Sydney and Kirk.  The MIT team is working this problem and error.  This is important so do pay attention to the discussion with Kirk.  Food systems were talked about again with the team suggesting the colony would be better off bringing food from Earth.  INSITU Resource Usage was talked about as well as sustainability issues to get the settlement up to 12 people over several years.  Tim called in asking about a Mars One analog here on Earth and what drove the costs so high for Mars One.  Again, we heard the one way mission was a huge cost driver.  Tim also asked if the costs would be the same for a lunar settlement.  Surprisingly, our guests said the costs would be similar if the lunar settlement was a one way project as the same type of issues would then have to be dealt with just as is the case for Mars.  Our final call was from John in Montana who applauded the team for their realism.  He mentioned that the health of the crew on Mars was not considered but assuming the crew is healthy when it lands on Mars and can live their, as people age, their medical care and costs rise.  As we heard, no such analysis was made or considered for these issues or their ethical component which the MIT team brought up.  Here we learned that the main assumption was a healthy crew from landing on Mars all the way through the Martian settlement process.  Such an assumption is not realistic but to do the analysis, one has to decide at what level an illness or injury will be treated and at what level crew members will not get treatment.  As the team said, to answer these questions also requires a study of ethics.  In fact, given the extreme financial requirements for the mission plan and its continuation every two years, our guests were asked what would happen and who would pay to keep the Martian settlers alive if Mars One defaulted and could not come up with the needed funds to sustain the mission.  While our guests were familiar with this issue, it was not part of their study.  Nobody knows if governments would come to the rescue or if the Martian settlers would be left to their own survival efforts.  The MIT team said these types of ethical issues would need resolution for any Mars settlement mission. They also questioned if it would be sufficient to just sign informed consent documents that included their knowing there would be no rescue attempts for any reason.  They suggested the UN as the forum that might undertake this type of analysis and policy.  As the show was ending, our team was asked about animal food stocks brought from Earth.  Each of our guests offered us closing comments which you will want to hear.

 

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Erik Seedhouse, Monday, 11-24-14 November 25, 2014

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Erik Seedhouse, Monday, 11-24-14

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Guest:  Erik Seedhouse.  Topics:  Erik’s new book, “Bigelow Aerospace: Colonizing Space One Module at a Time” & much more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.   For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Erik Seedhouse back to the show to discuss his new book, “Bigelow Aerospace: Colonizing Space One Module at a Time.”  Remember, if you buy it on Amazon, use the OGLF/Space Show portal so Amazon will donate part of the purchase price to The Space Show.  Instructions are on all program archives on the website, the blog, and at http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 52 minute discussion, Erik started out with a short summary of the recently concluded Next Giant Leap space conference held in Hawaii.  He concluded that it was an excellent conference with a focus on returning to the Moon and lunar missions.  Next, Erik turned his attention to his new book on Bigelow Aerospace by talking about the inflatable technology being used by Bigelow modules, especially the BA 330.  Erik was asked about station keeping with the BA 330 and suggested both a docking capability and propulsion mode.  I asked Erik what impressed him the most and also concerned him the most.  Regarding his concerns, he suggested the lunar landing capability of Bigelow, even citing Buzz Aldrin in support of his concerns.  Given Erik has now written books on both SpaceX and Bigelow, a listener asked him for comparisons with the two which Erik would not do.  Under pressure, he did say it might be easier to work at SpaceX than Bigelow.  Throughout the show, Erik mentioned that we need advanced propulsion to go to Mars and that it was unsafe to use chemical rockets.  When I challenged him on this, he held his ground citing radiation and other human factors risks as reasons why going to Mars with chemical rockets was too risky.

In the second segment, we talked about the Vectran material per Tony’s email.  Vectran is the material used for the Bigelow expandables (inflatables).  Dr. Doug from S. California called with multiple questions for Erik.  He inquired about a possible Bigelow inflatable greenhouse and wanted to know if Bigelow had identified a landing location on the Moon.  Doug also brought up a potential return to the Moon policy with the next president to be elected in the 2016 presidential election.  Neither Erik or I thought it was likely that a new president would focus on a return to the Moon space policy.  Doug commented on our comments later in the segment with an email which I read in full on air.  Let us know what you think with a comment on TSS blog.  Listeners asked about going to Mars rather than the Moon and Erik talked about going to the Moon as part of a Mars mission.  During the program, I asked Erik what it would take to move policy makers to establishing  a return to the Moon policy.  Erik talked about the need to sell the program and suggested it was as much PR as it was engineering.  Later in this segment, I told Erik I was appointing him the lunar space commander and what would he do to sell a return to the Moon policy with a new president.  He said he would probably play the scare card regarding China and their policy.  Later, he talked more about a scare policy over both Chinese and Russian space programs.  He cited examples for why we should be concerned about China.  Michael Listner emailed in to remind listeners that it was not a given that a private lunar mission would be approved & get the necessary launch and other licenses required for the mission.  Erik suggested using a foreign launcher but I reminded Erik that the American law requires a launch license and more regardless of where in the world the launch takes place if you are an American citizen or resident.  George and other listeners sent Erik email questions about the Chinese threat.  Near the end of the show, I asked Erick to give us an update on the Canadian space program.  In summary, we concluded that Mr. Bigelow is a space visionary and pioneer.  We are excited about the potential offered us by Bigelow Aerospace with private space stations, a lunar hab, and more.

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Dr. Dorit Donoviel, Dr. Eugene de Juan, Jr., Sunday, 11-23-14 November 24, 2014

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Dr. Dorit Donoviel, Dr. Eugene de Juan, Jr., Sunday, 11-23-14

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Guests:  Dr. Dorit Donoviel, Dr. Eugene, de Juan, Jr.  Topics:  Microgravity effects on optic nerve, NSRBI Vision for Mars Challenge, vision issues for long duration spaceflight.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed our guests Dr. Dorit Donoviel & Dr. Eugene de Juan, Jr. to discuss the National Space Biomedical Research Institute (NSBRI) “Vision for Mars Challenge: A Unique Opportunity for Ophthalmology Companies.”  Read about this project at http://www.nsbri.org/newsflash/indivArticle.asp?id=454&articleID=212.  For additional information on the grants, visit http://www.smartcap.org.  I would also like to thank Kacey White for her hard work with both guests and TSS in making this program possible.  During the first segment of our 97 minute discussion, Dr. Donoviel started us off with background information for the Vision for Mars Challenge, then Dr. de Juan discussed the nature of the eye problems and the effects of low gravity on the optic nerve.  As you will hear from our guests, the Vision for Mars Challenge will award to small companies a grant of $100,000 to “to help identify and advance medical technologies for ocular health in space through collaboration and funding support.”  After this introductory part of our discussion, our guests went into detail about the medical issues relating to optic nerve changes, pressures, fluid balance and more and what this does to vision.  Our guests were asked how these vision issues might impact a crew on Mars or on the way to Mars but unfortunately not much information is known at this time. Also, we do not know the needed level of gravity to offset the optic nerve, fluid and pressure changes.  Our guests mentioned the upcoming year long crew visit to the ISS and that eye issues will be monitored so that accurate data on vision problems can be collected.  Dr. de Juan did go into many of the medical issues contributing to the vision problem including intraocular pressure and fluid balances.  In addition, we spoke about possible countermeasures.  Both artificial gravity with a short arm centrifuge and mechanical intervention via a certain type of pressure garment were discussed.  Medical intervention was also discussed, then BJohn suggested spinning the spaceship would be more cost effective that other types of countermeasures.  Our guests disagreed, saying medical countermeasures would be designed for patients on Earth as well as astronauts so the market size of potential beneficiaries worldwide would be huge as compared to just a handful of astronauts on a spinning spaceship.  Engineering problems were also cited as a severe cost driver in terms of creating artificial gravity for the crew.  Marshall called to ask about Lasik surgery.  Our guests were then asked about gender & other differences.  Don’t miss these discussions.

In the second segment, Dr. Doug was our first caller.  Doug had multiple questions as usual but first he wanted to know if astronauts could be selected for the longer space missions who had a lengthy stay on the ISS and did not show optic nerve changes or adverse effects.  Our guest thought this would be impractical given around 70% of all astronauts show some vision impact from being in space.  Prisms were talked about as part of mitigation in the form glasses with a variable prescription.  We talked about focus issues in space and on a submarine given my comments about wearing prisms glasses.  Doug’s additional questions dealt with doing a lumbar puncture in space as well as GCRs.  Doug and other listeners via email asked our guests if the vision problems were a show stopper for long duration spaceflight missions.  Don’t miss what Dorit & Gene had to say about this.  Near the end of the program, we talked about the impact of space medicine research on Earth medical problems.  The resulting discussion was most interesting, especially given the examples cited by Dorit via ultrasound in space.  The subject of aerospace medicine medical school programs came up and here Dorit explained the innovative program at Baylor’s Center for Space Medicine.

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Golden Oldie: Elon Musk from 10-24-01 replayed Tuesday, 10-28-14 October 28, 2014

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Golden Oldie: Elon Musk from 10-24-01 replayed Tuesday, 10-28-14

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Guest:  Elon Musk from Oct. 24, 2001; Topic: Golden Oldie Archive Play regarding the Mars Oasis plan and Elon’s ideas for a multi-planet species by settling on Mars.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.   For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

This is a Golden Oldie program from Oct. 24, 2001.  At this time, The Space Show was known as Business Without Boundaries and was aired on a Phoenix radio station.  The formatting of the program was that of the radio station as they divided the 60 minute discussion into 5 short segments. All the commercial breaks and music from back then are included in this discussion.  Elon was the 16th guest on The Space Show (Business Without Boundaries).  In the first segment, we talked about the why of Elon’s interest in space and the need to be on a second planet.  Mr. Musk talked about the different reasons for wanting to go to space but for him it was to insure survival of our species by being a multi-planet species.  Elon then discussed his Mars Oasis Project which was time lined for 2005 as a private mission.  He wanted to rally American public opinion for the need for a human presence on Mars.  Our guest took us deeper into Mars Oasis with his greenhouse plans and some of the crops he thought would be suitable for the project.

In the second segment, Elon again said they were looking for a 2005 launch with a landing on Mars in 2006.  A listener asked him about using off the shelf technology and Bruce from Stanford wanted to know about Russian-US cooperation since the plan was to use a converted Russian SS18 ICBM for the launch vehicle.  Our guest also identified some of the equipment that would be part of the Mars Oasis payload.  John in St. Louis asked Elon if this was a commercial project with an expected ROI.  The answer was that it was a humanitarian project and no ROI was expected.

In the third segment, Elon was asked to estimate the costs for the project.  He said that NASAs cheaper missions were around $200-250 million and full cost missions were higher. In this segment he suggested the costs might be 10-15% of the lower NASA costs.  He was also planning two missions since it was possible for one to fail.

In the fourth segment, Elon was asked additional questions about the costs which he approximated at $20-$30 million.  Another question dealt with regulatory issues. Here, Elon did talk about ITAR but said at present there were no laws or regulations regarding a private mission to Mars.  Remember now, our discussion took place in 2001. Near the end of this short segment, questions about using the NASA DSN came up as Mars Oasis would need to communicate with Earth.  Elon suggested a design for his own communication network which he said might be commercialized down the road for other upcoming commercial space users.

In the fifth and final short segment, Elon summarized our discussion and said that he wanted to both change the world & create a world.  He also said we were closer to being able to go to Mars than JFK was when he said we would go to the Moon.

Post your comments on The Space Show blog but remember, this discussion aired Oct. 24, 2001.  9/11 had just happened.  We were preparing for war, our nation was very different then than it is today.  If you listen to later interviews with Elon, you will hear him discuss why Mars Oasis was tabled and why he thought it necessary to build his own rocket and rocket company.  You can find these archived programs using the GuestSearch tool on our website.  Search for his name.  You want the programs where he was the guest, not just talked about by others. Hats off to Elon Musk for his flexibility and for his work in making sure his vision eventually comes to life and reality.

The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 10-22-14 October 23, 2014

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 10-22-14

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Guests: John Batchelor, Mike Snyder, Dr. David Livingston. Topics:  Topics:  The Made In Space 3D printer on the ISS.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).  For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

 

John Batchelor and I welcomed the head of R&D for Made In Space, Mike Snyder, to discuss the placement of a 3D printer on the ISS. We covered the printer, the source material for this demo printer, ABS plastic, the effects of microgravity on 3D printing & how Made In Space resolved them, plus the future for 3D printing in space.  Important to the future will be the benefits from printing spare parts for long duration spaceflight, including future Mars colonization missions.  While today 3D printing in space is a demo project, tomorrow it might prove to be an important problem solver and risk mitigation tool for BLEO spaceflight.

 

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 10-15-14 October 16, 2014

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 10-15-14

Featuring Dr. Oliver de Weck, Sydney Do, Koki Ho,  Andrew Owens 

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John Batchelor and I welcome Dr. Oliver de Weck, Sydney Do, Koki Ho, & Andrew Owens to Hotel Mars for our regarding their paper and analysis, “An Independent Assessment Of The Technical Feasibility Of The Mars One Mission Plan.” You can download their 35 page report at  http://web.mit.edu/sydneydo/Public/Mars%20One%20Feasibility%20Analysis%20IAC14.pdf.  We welcomed the MIT authors of the paper “An Independent Assessment Of The Technical Feasibility Of The Mars One Mission Plan.”  John recorded four segments for an hour broadcast on The John Batchelor Show which is why you will hear the archived version divided into four segment with their own introduction.  In addition, we used a conference calling system to bring all but one of the authors on the program so you will hear a tone difference in this show and perhaps a soft echo type sound.  We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause you.

 

We started our 40 minute program by John asking Dr. de Weck for the origin of this paper.  Dr. de Weck took us back to beginning in 2004 providing us with an interesting leading up to the present time.  Given the number of guests on the program, John and I directed our questions to each person by name.  Some of the issues we talked about were life support for being on Mars and other issues referenced in their report & analysis “An Independent Assessment Of The Technical Feasibility Of The Mars One Mission Plan.” We also discussed the Mars One plan to grow food and the possible O2 poisoning resulting from that effort.  Since Mars One said that all the technologies were here now and on the ISS, the authors used the ISS as a source.  They discovered that many of the needed life support technologies are not available or tested for space let alone the Martian environment even if used here on Earth.  Our guests took us through many of the assumptions of the Mars One Mission as taken from their own statements and website.  The authors concluded that most if not all the technologies needed for humans to survive on Mars per their mission plan were today at a very low TRL or Technology Readiness Level.  Other issues that we talked about focused on the need for spare parts with this need rapidly growing to a point beyond Mars One capabilities.  3D printing was discussed as a replacement for spare parts  as was ISRU, the possible need for a rescue mission, Martian gravity & artificial gravity, Falcon Heavy launches and Dragon’s lined up on the Martian surface for the habitat plus other parts of the Mission Plan.

 

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Bruce Pittman, Monday, 10-13-14 October 14, 2014

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Bruce Pittman, Monday, 10-13-14

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Guest:  Bruce Pittman.  Topics:  The emerging commercial space industry and related topics.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Bruce Pittman back to the show to discuss the emerging commercial space industry. During the first segment of our 90 minute program Bruce said this was the most exciting time every for commercial space, certain in his 30 plus year career.  He talked about there being a paradigm shift underway, NASA challenges and the progress made in just five short years.  He cited examples with COTS, commercial payloads to the ISS, SpaceX, and lots of smaller companies working with small satellites.  Other examples included the 3D printer on the ISS, the growth of spaceports, the industry spreading out into multiple states, and investment capital coming to the industry.  I asked about human spaceflight (HSF) and he said it was more challenging and demanding but was optimistic that launch costs would come down, especially if reusability enters the market.  Reusability would greatly assist in bringing more commercial options to the table even for HSF.  Jerome in the UK emailed to ask about a commercial space industry outside the U.S.  Both Bruce and I commented on Jerome’s question.  Harry emailed Bruce to inquire if going public was essential for pushing the emerging commercial space industry forward.  Bruce was also asked what excited him the most in the industry.  Listen to his choices. I asked our guest if he saw SLS as an asset to the emerging commercial space industry, being neutral, or being a detriment.  He believes there will be synergistic enhancements for both SLS and the commercial space industry through the development of SLS.  Don’t miss his full comments. Bruce was asked about commercial space ventures being able to finally close a business case and having more than just government as the customer.  Allison emailed us asking Bruce to define paradigm shift.  This also proved an interesting discussion.  Near the end of the segment, our guest was asked bout NEOs and commercial opportunities.  We also talked about two NASA papers in this segment.  The first, “Pioneering Space: NASA’s Next Steps on the Path to Mars” from May 29, 2014 can be downloaded at http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/Pioneering-space-final-052914b.pdf.  The second paper, “Emerging Space:  The Evolving Landscape of 21st Century American Spaceflight,” can be downloaded at http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/Emerging_Space_Report.pdf.  Just before the break, Paul asked about fuel depots for the commercial space industry.

In our second segment, we started talking about space settlement, pioneering, and space exploration.  Bruce explained the differences with pioneering making it possible to have a permanent presence in space by getting in place needed infrastructure and the basics for living in space.  Space settlement would be established after pioneering.  Exploring goes forth to find out what is out there and to return to tell about it.  A listener asked if going to the Moon was a pioneering step on the way to Martian settlement.  Later, Bruce said that pioneering will be driven by economics. In this segment, we also talked about property rights and benefit sharing plus the impact these two issues might have on the emerging commercial space industry.  Risk averseness came up as well.  As we were drawing to a close, Bruce mentioned how all of the industry was in a transitional period, including traditional aerospace.  He suggested things to look for over the coming months included more commercial activities on the ISS, the upcoming Bigelow module for the ISS, & the Google Lunar XPrize.  In closing, we talked about Silicon Valley and the industry as well as the lowering of barriers to entry for emerging commercial space companies.  Bruce also mentioned the Next Giant Leap Conference in Hawaii, Nov. 9-13, 2014.  For more information, see http://2014giantleap.aerospacehawaii.info.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach Bruce Pittman through me.

Anatoly Zak, Tuesday, 10-7-14 October 8, 2014

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Anatoly Zak, Tuesday, 10-7-14

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Guest:  Anatoly Zak.  Topics:  Russian space program & 2nd edition of his book, “Russia In Space: The Past Explained, The Future Explored.”  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.  We welcomed Anatoly Zak back to the program to provide updates regarding the Russian space program & to talk about the release of the second edition of his book, “Russia In Space: The Past Explained, The Future Explored.”  Remember, if you buy it through Amazon, use the OGLF Amazon portal so Amazon will contribute to TSS/OGLF.  Instructions are on all archives, the blog, our website and http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org.  We welcomed Anatoly Zak back to the show for this 90 plus minute discussion. In the first segment, Anatoly said the Russian program was at a crossroads wanting to develop new systems for the lunar mission & BLEO, building a new launch site ,Vostochny, while maintaining existing programs including the ISS.  He talked about programs falling behind schedule, proposed timelines followed by delays.  I asked him about the Russian tax system. Anatoly told us it was a flat tax system but that it was driven by their natural resources, especially energy.  In response to many questions, we learned that the Russian program has some struggles that make it similar to what is happening with NASA.  Anatoly talked about the new rocket Angara.  The Angara 5 is supposed to have its test flight on Dec. 25.  He also said there was a super SLS type rocket being planned but specifics were unknown at this time.  When asked for the biggest challenge to the Russian space program, he said it was the budget.  A listener asked about a possible joint China-Russian lunar or Mars program.  Anatoly suggested that were something like that to happen, China would probably be  behind it.  We talked some about the second printing of his book, “Russia In Space: The Past Explained, The Future Explored.”  Another listener wanted to know the origins of the Russian program.  We talked politics, sanctions, and the ISS relationship with NASA.  Returning their Proton rocket to flight was mentioned & Anatoly talked at length about their quality control problems.  SLS John called to talk about Russian nuclear propulsion.  The last caller of the segment, Richard Easton, talked about Russian GPS, GLONASS, timing & the early days with the Russian navy.

In the second segment, Anatoly talked about the Russian planetary program including EXOMARS with ESA for searching for life on Mars, their proposed HSF lunar program plus other missions on the planning table.  In response to a question, he did say their was lots of competition between the planetary side and HSF.  Roger wanted to know about becoming a cosmonaut, & Barbara wanted to know about space tourism to the Moon.  For the balance of the year, Anatoly said eyes were on the Dec. 25th test flight for the new Angara 5 heavy rocket.  Re the ISS, he expected it to remain as it is today.

Please post comments/questions on TSS blog above. You can reach Anatoly through me or his website, http://www.russianspaceweb.com.

Rex Ridenoure, Monday, 10-6-14 October 7, 2014

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Rex Ridenoure, Monday, 10-6-14

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Guest:  Rex Ridenoure.  Topics:  Ecliptic Enterprises updates, commercial space, commercial space and the future.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Rex Ridenoure to the show for this 96 minute discussion containing Ecliptic Enterprises updates, commercial space programs and business models,  plus much more. In the first segment, our guest provided us with updates for Ecliptic from the time he left the company to do consulting for private missions and then his return to the position he left.  Government sequestration happened about the same time and hurt Ecliptic as you will hear, plus it caused Rex to come back to Ecliptic. You will also hear how business has come back for Ecliptic since sequestration ended.  Rex talked about new contracts, the focus of their business and more.  He spoke about RocketCam and updated us on some of its new market potential plus features and advancements.  We talked about the emergence of cubesat companies as potential Ecliptic customers given the advancements in this field.  Rex talked about a new emerging business line for the company in the form of being an integrating contractor rather than only a subcontractor to a prime.  Export control and ITAR were discussed when I asked if RocketCam was being sold to foreign launchers.  The short answer was no but listen to what Rex had to say about export control and the hope for new rules in the near future.  Rex introduced us to the concept of experiment control on the ISS.  This pertains to experiments on board the ISS being controlled by ground personnel rather than by the ISS crew.  Doug called to ask about the purpose of the Ecliptic projects plus goals for Rex with his work.  Don’t miss the killer reply Rex gave Doug.  Other topics in this segment dealt with rad tolerant hardware as opposed to radiation hardened hardware and streaming data back to Earth on the DSN or another system.

In the second segment, Rex spent most of the time talking about commercial space and his years in service to developing commercial space including early in his career. See the career time table for Rex that I have posted on the blog.  Rex identified a few of the early commercial space projects he was involved with, then he said we had finished the first wave of reconnaissance of our solar system.  Listen to his explanation for this statement.  Rex next talked about one of the next big commercial areas for development which he said would be bringing  space resources to the Earth economic system.  Listener Paul emailed a question asking about commercial space efforts in other countries.  Following that discussion, Rex told us about attending the 10th anniversary XPrize event at Mojave which was an invitation only event.  I asked Rex if people were disappointed that ten years had gone by without commercial spaceflights.  He did say that their was an air of disappointment in the room among those attending the event.  Near the end of our show, Rex was asked about HSF to Mars.  He also talked about the early program Elon Musk wanted to do, Mars Oasis.  SLS came up for discussion, then Rex provided us with a list of take away points for our discussion.  He ended by saying that commercial launch dated back to 1963 and the trend was for more commercial launches and space projects.  He said commercial space was based on a 50 year old proven model.

Please post your comments/questions for Rex Ridenoure on TSS blog per above.  You can reach Rex through me or the Ecliptic website, http://www.eclipticenterprises.com.

Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14 September 24, 2014

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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2323-BWB-2014-09-23.mp3

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Guest:  Dr. Frank Martin.  Topic:  The NRC “Pathways to Exploration: Rationales and Approaches for a U.S. Program of Human Space Exploration” report.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Frank Martin to the program to discus the NRC human spaceflight study along with all aspects of human spaceflight including various destinations and missions.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 39 minute show, Dr. Martin introduced us to the NRC Pathways study which you can download for free by using Google.  He suggested it was a dose of reality as well as optimism.  He said the study was very clear in saying “show me the money” for those wanting to do humans to Mars missions now or fairly soon and then explained some of the high costs and trades involved in these missions.  One of his overriding themes throughout our discussion was the need to manage a very large mass in LEO in order to accomplish the goals of long duration human space mission.  During our segment, we kept coming back to the need to manage a large mass in LEO and how this translated to costs as well as the need for technology advancement.  Both myself and listeners asked our guest about doing human missions cheaper by using the private sector.  This subject kept coming up during both segments of the program.  We also addressed the rational for human spaceflight.  In addition, the issue of walking away from HSF was looked at for the US as a nation as that is an option. The report attempted to address this and related issues.   Joe sent in an email about the mice on the ISS and using them to determine the gravity RX for HSF.  He sent us several additional emails on this subject as well.  This prompted comments about the need to use the ISS for research in support of long duration HSF missions.  Dr. Martin said Mars was an horizon goal.  In this context, he talked about only a few other possible destinations near us, either the Moon or an asteroid.  He then proceeded to address the issue of managing the risk for a Mars mission.  Beverly asked a budget question and taking the lead from the most recent Mike Griffin interview, she asked Frank if it really was just a choice to be constrained by budget issues.  While Frank agreed it was a choice, he said there were very good ways and choices to spend taxpayer money so he did not see significantly more money for space in the future.  Another listener talked about nuclear propulsion which also crossed into the second segment.  Near the end of the first segment, we got a call from a New Zealand listener.  During his call, the idea of the Buzz Aldrin Mars cycler came up and there was a question or two about fuel depots.

In the second segment, I asked Dr. Martin why the study took 18 months, then SLS John called the program.  John wanted to talk nuclear propulsion thinking it would be a cost saver but what was not known was the accurate cost of the R&D program or the cost for jumping through political hurdles.  John suggested a new administration would make a difference and I challenged that.  I asked Frank given all his years of space industry experience if it was reasonable to expect big changes in space policy due to a change in administrations.  Don’t miss Frank’s reply.  Dwayne called back to question the HSF rational. One of the points made by Dwayne was that cooperation with the Russians on the ISS does not modify Russia’s behavior other than for space.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Dr. Frank Martin through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

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