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Louise Riofrio, Sunday, 9-7-14 September 8, 2014

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Louise Riofrio, Sunday, 9-7-14

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Guest:  Louise Riofrio.  Topics:  Her book “The Speed of Light,”  the change in the speed of light, lunar return missions, & much more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back to the show Louise Riofrio to discuss her new book, “The Speed of Light.”  Remember that if you order this book through Amazon to use the OGLF Amazon portal so Amazon will make a contribution to TSS.  Instructions are on both The Space Show and our blog’s websites.  For more information, visit Riofrio’ s blog at http://riofriospacetime.blogsot.com. During the first segment of our 91 minute program, Louise told us about new developments and her work since her first Space Show appearance on Oct. 27, 2008.  She told her about her science work and related travels at JSC and her work with the moon rocks.  She also explained how her work with the moon rocks was important to human spaceflight, especially a return lunar mission and an asteroid mission.  She talked about why a lunar return mission was so important for science & why it was better to have astronauts on the mission rather than only robotic.  Out of this discussion came another SLS discussion as Louise pointed out the need for heavy lift for a lunar or any BLEO mission.  I explored her thoughts and opinions on SLS, asking her about the perspectives provided by those not supporting SLS.  In my opinion, Louise put forth excellent arguments in support of SLS during the show.  I even suggested she become the spokesperson for SLS and lunar return missions given how well she articulated and explained the need for SLS.  Louise also spoke about the distance from Earth to the Moon and the lunar orbit, referencing the LLRE (The Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment) from the Apollo era.  She used information from this device in comparison with three other measuring methods to support her theory that the speed of light is slowing down.  Listen to her explanation behind her theory assumptions.  Louise then mentioned the very accurate atomic clock soon to go up to the ISS, ACES (see http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/Human_Spaceflight_Research/Atomic_Clock_Ensemble_in_Space_ACES).  She said this would be very helpful in detecting and clarifying the change in the speed of light.  John from Ft. Worth called with several questions and comments about the speed of light.   Next, Paul asked a series of email questions about time travel.

In the second segment, we started off discussing time travel and speed of light changes for a multi-generational human mission.  Louise introduced us to time dilation.  John in Montana asked about GPS timing & the change in the speed of light.   Christine emailed a question about an RTM mission and asked what might change if the speed of light is slowing down.  Next, we talked about Planck units and the equation GM=TC^3 which is the same as M=R=t.  Peer review was discussed as were the challenges of getting new theories introduced into the literature.  As you will hear, old ideas do not go lightly into the dark, so to speak.  Louise then talked about having discovered a lunar orbit anomaly and referenced her paper, “Calculating a Lunar Orbit Anomaly” which you can download at http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/2436.pdf.  As the program neared its end, I asked our guest about her idea that there might be a mini black hole in our sun.  Louise told us about her theory & talked in general about mini black holes.  Our last subject dealt with her interest in positive pressure suits for IVA purposes.

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Loretta Hall, Friday, 9-5-14 September 6, 2014

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Loretta Hall, Friday, 9-5-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2309-BWB-2014-09-05.mp3

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Guest:  Loretta Hall;  Topics: We discussed her book “Space Pioneers in their own words” & our early space history.  Please direct all comments & questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments & questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright & are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com & rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Loretta Hall back to the show to discuss her new book “Space Pioneers in their own words.”  Remember, if you buy this book on Amazon, use the OGLF access so that Amazon will contribute to The Space Show.  Instructions are in all archive summaries on our website & the blog.  For more information, visit both http://www.spacepioneerwords.com & http://www.authorhall.com.  In the first segment of our 90 minute program, Loretta discussed the background of writing this book as well as the oral histories at the New Mexico Museum of Space History (www.nmspacemuseum.org).  I asked our guest for some of her favorite stories & she mentioned Paul Haney, Neil Armstrong & others.  I also asked her about her UFO chapter 17 in the book, “Anyone Else Out There?”  This came up later in the show as well with some very interesting stories including one involving an emerald laser classified experiment with the sound of frogs in the background discussed in detail in the second segment.  We talked lots about the importance of knowing our early space history.  What was fascinating about Loretta’s scholarship & this book was that many of the stories & people featured were those in the background of our early space program as she did not just focus on the top people & the stars we all know.  The emerging commercial & NewSpace industry in New Mexico was also talked about & at times Loretta said that once operational flights begin at the spaceport, the industry may provide the exciting inspiration needed as was the case with many of the early space programs.  BJohn emailed in a question about the New Mexico culture influencing our space program & the possible cultural issues facing a Mars settlement crew.

In the second segment, we again talked about Chapter 17 & we heard more about UFO stories from those involved in our early space history.  Loretta read a few passages from some of the oral histories where people were genuinely concerned about the adverse stigma attached to UFO comments so they were avoided.  Her book covered balloon histories & when asked about connections with our space history & the Old West, mostly what we found out about were rancher disputes with the government over land use, etc.  Later in this segment, we talked about the rocket slide work with John Paul Stapp & Loretta read an interesting quote from him about his famous rocket sled ride.  Loretta was asked to explain the structure of the book, then she relayed a few more stories to us including one about setting up a school at White Sands for the Paper Clip kids plus one of stratosphere ballooning.  These were part of the roles women played in the oral histories in the museum’s research library.

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Dr. William (Bill) Rowe, Sunday, 8-31-14 September 1, 2014

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Dr. William (Bill) Rowe, Sunday, 8-31-14

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Guest:  Dr. William (Bill) Rowe.  Topics:  Cardiovascular & other issues for long duration human spaceflight.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.   For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Bill Rowe back to the program to discuss cardiovascular issues for human spaceflight & EVAs, plus many other issues pertaining to long duration spaceflight.  Note that we experienced serious phone line issues with Bill about 12 minutes into the program forcing us to stop for repairs.  Evidently the fiber phone lines now serving Dr. Rowe cause broadcast equipment problems.  Bill was able to go to a neighbor’s house to do the show but you will hear some line issues plus unusual cuts as I spliced together part of his opening to the point we were able to resume with a good phone line.  Once past that point, there were no further phone line issues.  During the first segment of our 2 hour 11 minute program, Dr. Rowe introduced us to his discussion main points and we began using his website for references throughout the show.  It is important to be on his website and go where he points at various times in the discussion (see http://www.femsinspace.com).  While parts of the discussion relied on medical terms and descriptions, our guest did an excellent job of breaking it down for us non-medical types to easily understand the information he was sharing with us.  Among the issues we talked about were cardiac issues that don’t present symptoms, plus the problems with increased adrenalin secretion in the body which happens in space.  Dr. Rowe spent significant time discussing the adrenalin issues citing known astronaut examples.  In fact when talking about the adrenalin levels in space, he said that within five days of being in space the levels are twice that of being on Earth.  Another issue brought up was possible cardiovascular damage for excessive exercise and here he cited the research projects he had been involved in with marathon running athletes.  He strongly suggested the use of regularly taken electrocardiograms on the crews while in space.  Next, Dr. Rowe talked about EVA issues, specifically cooling.  He explained other risks and made the case for future robotic EVA missions instead of human mission.  Before the segment ended, he had much to say about exercise in space.

In our second segment, Bill reviewed for us his comments on oxidative stress and suggested we follow along with his website submarine model, http://www.femsinspace.com/Oxidative_stress.htm.  A listener then emailed in that the ISS did have an ultrasound on board which could be used for the purposes Dr. Rowe suggested (see http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/benefits/ultrasound.html).  Bill talked more about lunar dust toxicity plus magnesium and calcium usage in space and in general.  He referenced former astronaut Jim Irwin losing consciousness for a brief time on the Moon & he provided the reference for that fact.  Rodent research on the ISS was discussed, then he got a listener question about possible different health standards for government trained and fit astronauts as compared to space tourists and possible private sector astronauts.  Near the end of our discussion, space tourism came up and he pointed out risks for the middle age, overweight segment of the space tourism market.  Bill spoke to pharmaceutical use in space and the issues with it.  Just before ending our discussion, he pointed out that for Mars he thought an all female crew was best given the advantages they have over men.  He did explain his comment.

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Dr. Jeff Foust, Wednesday, 8-27-14 August 28, 2014

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Dr. Jeff Foust, Wednesday, 8-27-14

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Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Jeff Foust, Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  SpaceX Falcon 9R launch failure & more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).  For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating.  This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

We welcomed back Dr. Jeff Foust as we discussed the recent SpaceX 9R launch failure and destruction last week in Texas.  In Jeff explained the problems as they are known today, why this will not likely impact regular Falcon 9 launches, and he discussed the upcoming Asia Sat launch plus the next ISS resupply mission.  Also mentioned was the SpaceX work toward reusability, the Antares and possible plans to scrap their Russian rocket motor, the Soyuz to the ISS and tight launch deadlines for SpaceX regarding its upcoming ISS launch.

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Michael Listner, Monday, 8-25-14 August 26, 2014

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Michael Listner, Monday, 8-25-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2303-BWB-2014-08-25.mp3

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space law, ARM & property rights, SpaceX-AF litigation, RD-180 engine & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program for this update regarding specific space law issues and theories.  In the first segment of the this 1 hour 48 minute program, Michael talked about the proposed Asteroid Bill in Congress and how to maybe get some limited property rights for asteroid mining by being able to move a small asteroid as in the NASA ARM project.  Michael theorized that if one moves an asteroid, its no longer in its natural orbit and then no longer defined as a celestial body.  We spent most of the first segment and a good part of the second segment discussing this theory and why it might work.  When asked if it would apply to lunar property rights or other space property rights, Michael was clear that it only applied to a small asteroid that could be moved.  He also said it would require an administration to endorse such a plan and that it would be difficult to establish as customary and it would certainly be an uphill effort.  BJohn and others sent in email comments about this.  As you will hear from BJohn’s emails which I read on air, not every thought positively about Michael’s idea.  Michael also talked about other forms of international agreements being much easier to obtain than treaties.  He also said the property rights policy battles would be fought diplomatically.

In the second segment, we talked about the SpaceX-US Air Force litigation and the AF Motion to Dismiss.  Next, we covered the RD-180 rocket motor issue and Michael noted that a new shipment of RD-180 motors had been received.  He also said there was new information suggesting Russia might want to expand the mission time for the ISS (http://www.parabolicarc.com/2014/08/25/russia-agree-iss-extension).  Property rights and moving an asteroid came back as a topic in this segment & Michael again talked about treaties which he said were top down in policy making while transparency, etc. was considered bottom up policy making.  We talked quite a bit about property rights being US one sided and he said that the Asteroid Bill actually enabled those outside the U.S. to put their projects under U.S. law for U.S protection.  We moved on to cubesats and oversight/regulation issues.  Near the end, Michael updated us on the Code of Conduct in which there should be another draft emerging in the near future.  As the program was drawing to a close, I asked Michael for remaining 2014 legal issues that might get a 2014 resolve.  We looked forward to early next year & our guest commented on issues involving Russia, China, and ESA.

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Dr. Rick Linnehan, Friday, 8-22-14 August 23, 2014

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Dr. Rick Linnehan, Friday, 8-22-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2301-BWB-2014-08-22.mp3

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Guest:  Dr. Rick Linnehan, NASA Astronaut; Topics:  Animals in space, human long duration spaceflight.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed NASA Astronaut Dr. Rick Linnehan to the program to discuss animals and their place in space in history, the present, and the future, plus human concerns for long duration spaceflight.  During this one hour program, we stared off by asking Dr. Linnehan for an overview of the role played by animals in space, including looking to the future for animals for agriculture, research pathology work, comfort, & other purposes.  We talked about microgravity issues and countermeasures, then I asked specifically about taking chickens to Mars for feed purposes.  Our guest talked about the effect of microgravity on chickens and the egg laying process.  He said a few times that while we might likely evolve over many years, decades or even longer to having a larger role for animals in space, most of the ideas and concepts today are pie in the sky.  We talked about some of the animals that had been and are in space including lab rodents, fruit flies, some small fish and others.  Our guest talked about the space acclimation process for animals, including the small fish, and we learned that in many instances the animals acclimate to microgravity faster than humans.  Our guest mentioned the need for advanced propulsion for long duration human spaceflight and suggested that Mars was on the edge of the possible using chemical rockets.  Rick mentioned some of the other human factors issues such as radiation and psychological challenges.  We also discussed astronaut exercise routines and the countermeasure exercise equipment currently being used with efforts underway to redesign the equipment to be more effective and lighter.  Several questions came up about private sector humans to Mars missions and crew health.  When asked if we could do a humans to Mars mission now or by the early 2020s, our guest said yes but listen to the details of this discussion.  Also, with regards to the private astronaut missions to Mars or elsewhere, several questions arose about the conditioning of the private astronaut crew, what microgravity countermeasures and exercise equipment they would have on board, what routines they would strictly follow and more.  Our guest was mostly referring to space agency astronauts in terms of our readiness to do human spaceflight to Mars now or the very near future.  He was unable to address private astronaut missions or their details because they are unknown.  We did talk about gravity and the absence of it in spaceflight, both for humans and animals.  Advanced propulsion questions and comments kept coming up during the entire show. At one point, I asked how essential advanced propulsion was for long duration human spaceflight and he said there would be no long duration spaceflight without.  Listen for the details regarding his opinion on this issue. Doug called to ask about bacteria, DNA, cat implants and more.  Artificial insemination came up with regards to surrogate species.  Doug also raised questions about the size for a minimum viable population.  After Doug’s call, I asked what our guest thought the priorities should be for Mars human spaceflight.  He listed advanced propulsion technology as first followed by human quality of life issues which he described for us.  I also asked questions about crew compatibility for psychological reasons as well as the probable command structure for the crew on a long duration human spaceflight.  One listener asked Dr. Linnehan about the differences in a zoo vet as compared to the typical vet we use for our dogs and cats.  Larry emailed in to ask if an animal had ever been on a space walk.  Rick said not his knowledge, talked about the need for an animal EVA suit of which there are none, and when I asked about taking an animal with an astronaut on an EVA for research purposes, he explained why that was impractical.  The microgravity simulation work in the NASA neutral buoyancy pool came up and our guest said that for about every hour he spends on an EVA, he would have spend about 12 hours in the pool.  Near the end of our hour long discussion, Jack emailed in for the best goals for human space flight.  Our guest suggested evolving stage by stage with cislunar, La Grange points, lunar settlement and out further and further to other destinations as our capabilities and technology improved.  B John had emailed in a few questions about microbes and the sea plankton announced by the Russians as existing on the outside of the ISS.  While we discussed these questions earlier in the show, near the end I asked our guest his question about microbes traveling greater distances in space than humans have and if our missions that have entered interstellar space carry microbes with them.  In his summary, Dr. Linnehan stressed the importance of continuing to explore space, to leave our planet, set up settlements, and to do what we can to keep pressure on the policy makers as we know the importance of space development and exploration.  He supports the private/commercial efforts and missions and even suggested he would do a one way Mars trip to help open up a Martial settlement.

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 8-20-14 August 21, 2014

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 8-20-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2300-BWB-2014-08-20.mp3

Featuring Chris Carberry, Executive Director of ExploreMars.org

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Guests: John Batchelor, Chris Carberry, Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  The ExploreMars ExoLance Mars Life Detection Project.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).  For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating.  This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

We welcomed Chris Carberry, Executive Director of ExploreMars.org as we discussed the ExoLance Mars Life Detection project now in its design stage.  For more information, visit https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/exolance.  Chris explained the project, told us about some of the project’s consulting scientists, using the tungsten penetrator probes as possible spaceship ballast on upcoming NASA missions to Mars, and the “biology lab on a chip” concept for the actual life detection experiments on the penetrators.  Chris was also asked why finding life on Mars is important and why his group is looking to do this for microbial life rather than NASA.

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Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady, Sunday, 8-17-14 August 18, 2014

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Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady, Sunday, 8-17-14

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Guests:  Chris Carberry, Joe Cassady.  Topics:  ExploreMars.org and projects ExoLance & Time Capsule, Mars life detection experiments.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Chris Carberry, Executive Director of ExploreMars.org and for the first time Joe Cassady to discuss current and new ExploreMars.org projects including the ExoLance Mission and the Time Capsule.  During the first segment of this 90 minute program, Chris provided us with a brief overview of ExploreMars.org, then he got into the specifics of their new project, ExoLance.  For more information about it and the crowd funding financial program, see http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/exolance.  Both Chris and Joe spent most of this segment with the details of this mission which will flyto Mars on an existing NASA or ESA Mars mission in the 2020s, dropping up to six tungsten penetrators loaded with life detection experiments to penetrate the Martian surface by up to 1-3 meters.  Our guests answered many emails as well as phone questions including specifics about the penetrators, the locations they would search, the tungsten penetrators serving as ballast on the main spaceflight missions, the impact velocity, and much more.  Chris and Joe several times referenced the work of Dr. Gil Levin for his labeled release (LR) experiments on the Viking missions, plus the work of Dr. Chris McKay at NASA Ames.  Both are key to designing the mission and scientific instrumentation for the penetrators.  I hope you find this detailed discussion as interesting as I found it.

In the second segment, we talked about other ExploreMars.org projects including the student led Time Capsule.  For more information, visit http://www.timecapsuletomars.com.  According to the website, the Time Capsule project sends to Mars digital messages from tens of millions of people from all corners of Earth in the form of text, images, audio and video clips.  This will Enable tens of millions of people from every country on Earth to upload their pictures, short movies, text messages and other digital media to the time capsule for about $1.00 for 10 mb.  Joe and Chris described the project, the student leaders behind it, and they invited all to participate.  Later in the segment, our guests talked about the next Humans2Mars conference scheduled for early May 2015.  They also talked some about this year’s conference and the many people that attended it plus the thousands of others around the world who saw it via streaming.  As you will hear, more than a thousand schools worldwide logged in to see the speakers as well.  Clearly, going to Mars gets people’s attention around the world like nothing else in the space field.  We got an email about possible ITAR issues with the crowd funding program and I asked our guests for Plan B if life was not discovered by the penetrators.  You might find their response to this question interesting, perhaps even entertaining.  Several listeners suggested some more advanced technology for the penetrators but the guys want to keep the first round very simple and affordable.  Based on the success of the first round of penetrators, they might evolve for future experiments.

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Dr. Gilbert (Gil) Levin, Friday, 8-15-14 August 16, 2014

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Dr. Gilbert (Gil) Levin, Friday, 8-15-14

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Guest:  Dr. Gilbert (Gil) Levin.  Topics:  Life on Mars, Viking Labeled Release Experiment & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Gilbert (Gil) Levin who was the designated Experimenter of the Viking Labeled Release Life Detection Experiment (LR) on the two NASA Viking missions in 1976.  During the first segment of our 90 minute discussion, Dr. Levin talked about his latest research and paper which was delivered at this year’s Mars Society Conference.  His paper, “MARS: Dead or Alive,” can be found on his website for download at http://www.gillevin.com.  Scroll to the bottom of the Mars Research for all his papers or use http://www.gillevin.com/Mars/Levin-Straat_Mars_Society_Paper_8-8-14.pdf.  I asked Dr. Levin about criticisms to the findings published in his paper and he said the controversies centered around liquid water being on mars and for fossil references.  Gil also talked about the difficulty in getting NASA information on Mars mission experiments and his use of the Freedom of Information Act.  He also told us stories of his efforts to propose Mars life detection experiments with other national space agencies.  His theory as expressed in his latest paper is that there are microorganisms on Mars with a similar biochemistry in water similar to what is on Earth.  We received lots of email questions from listeners ranging to questioning the significance for us here on Earth in confirming microbial life on Mars, to the impact in our science, academic and religious communities.  One interesting email came from Joe in Denver asking if Gil was maybe too close to his own research thus possibly skewing his objectivity. Gil brought this up near the end of the second segment as well but listen to how he responded and the challenge he put out to listeners and others interested in this issue.  You decide if you think he is too close to life detection on Mars to be an objective scientist.  Near the end of the first segment, Doug emailed in wanting to know if microbes in the rocks could be imaged by a microscope instrument on a rover.  He was not satisfied with Gil’s response so he asked it again as we started the second segment.  Before we ended the first segment, we talked about possible reasons why some life detection experiments that could be done by Curiosity had not been done or at least not reported on were they done.

In the second segment, aside from Doug’s modified repeat question about microscope image detection, Gil talked about the newer LR analysis using complexity analysis by a scientist at Sienna University. He also mentioned updated analysis by Dr. Joe Miller at USC.  Another listener again asked about challenges to his Mars Society paper and Gil listed the three mail areas of challenge for us to consider.  BJohn from Sweden asked a series of questions about a Mars sample return mission and the risks of bringing a Mars sample back to Earth or using an orbiting station or the Moon to evaluate it due to the possibility of risk to Earth. As mentioned earlier, toward the end of our program, Gil’s objectivity came up & he challenged listeners to contact him with objections to his research which he will respond to via email as he gave out his email address.  Charles Pooley called in near the end to raise ethical issues about HSF to Mars were some form of life discovered there.

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Dr. Martin Elvis, Monday, 8-11-14 August 12, 2014

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Dr. Martin Elvis, Monday, 8-11-14

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Guest:  Dr. Martin Elvis.  Topics:  Asteroid mining, commercial space, NASA.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Martin Elvis to the program to discuss asteroid mining, commercial space, NASA & more.  In the fist segment of our 91 minute discussion, after telling us about an asteroid being named after himself, Martin responded to my question about what he sees as our future in space.  Dr. Elvis answered this question throughout both segments of today’s program, making it clear that he sees solutions and development through astronomy & commercial space, not NASA.  He began talking about our great space telescopes and the fact that the budgets are not there for such great tools and instruments to continue and be sustained, even to the tune of not being able to properly support the JWST.  He had much to say on rising costs, budgets and when I asked about priorities, he said how much is the right amount to make space exploration, science, even HSF, a priority?  What is their information worth compared to other worthy causes and uses for federal money?  This analysis has led him to understand the future rests with commercial space to pay for space programs and ventures rather than relying on government funds.  We then jumped into mining asteroids and the commercial potential of this emerging industry.  He talked about initial small markets, maybe 10 worthy asteroids for mining or possibly doubling that number given uncertainties and risks associated with the formula for estimating the number of commercially viable asteroids.  Do not miss this discussion as I am sure we will be referring to it frequently in future Space Show program discussions.  The size and type of asteroid matter as you will hear with mining needing at least a 100 meter wide asteroid in the billion dollar range with Delta V requirements that are cost effective for getting to and from the target.  Primarily we talked about water and PGM re asteroids.  Listeners asked questions about trillion dollar asteroids per press reports, he looked them up and said the Delta V to get there, land, etc., was simply too high, a fact often ignored by articles referencing potential asteroid value.  Doug emailed in about smaller asteroids, say 20 meters.  Dr. Elvis had much to say about the smaller asteroids and their mining potential as well.  Toward the end of the segment, we talked about regulatory and legal-illegal acts including the possibility of a competing company hijacking an asteroid for commercial purposes.  Don’t miss what he said about this.

In the second segment, we started with a call from Doug.  Doug and Martin had a log discussion as Doug wanted to compare mining potentials for asteroids and the Moon.  Later, we talked more about space telescopes and Doug wanted to know if Hubble could be pointed in the direction of the sun for specific reasons.  Later, we talked about Rosetta and P67.  B John in Sweden sent in lots of questions about why not mine the Moon rather than an asteroid.  Martin explained the value of going to an asteroid for mining and getting virgin scientific info over the Moon so listen to this discussion.  Other topics included economics, depressing prices of PGM here on Earth by bringing this material back to Earth, zero G issues, Pluto, Kuiper Belt Objects and more.

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