Michael Listner, Monday, 5-6-13 May 6, 2013
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: Apollo artifacts, cubesat issues, GEO debris, ITAR, LEO debris, liability, liability limitations, Michael Listner, national security issues, Outer Space Treaty, PPWT, Project Azorian., space debris, space debris mitigation, space debris policy issues, space salvage, space weapons, technical issues, Transparency Confidence Measures (TCM)
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Michael Listner, Monday, 5-6-13
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2003-BWB-2013-05-06.mp3
Guest: Michael Listner. Topics: Space debris issues and ideas for solutions. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.
We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program to discuss space debris and Apollo artifact issues along with his ideas for possible solutions to the debris problem. On The Space Show blog, you will find three of Michael’s Space Review articles on the subject plus his Power Point slide presentation at the end of the blog summary statement. In addition, Michael had an article in the current Space Review on the preservation of Apollo historic sites. For this article, see www.thespacereview.com/article/2290/1. In the first segment of our 1 hour 44 minute show, Michael offered us his definition of space debris and pointed us to his slides which I urge you to have available when listening to this show. Again, his slide presentation is uploaded to the blog for this program and is the last item of the uploads. He summarized the space debris issue as both legal and thorny! After defining debris and the issues using the first few of his slides, he talked about other issues including ITAR, property rights, technical, and even national security issues. Listeners asked him several questions, mostly focused on LEO as that is the most crowded region at this time and the priority for debris mitigation. CubeSat issues came up given the potential debris problem should the cubesats manifest in the quantity talked about and planned. We talked policy issues and different strategies as suggested by China and Russia. We also talked about weapons issues and dual use for the military as well as for civilian use. Michael went over Transparency Confidence Measures (TCMs) instead of new treaties and mentioned the proposed Russian/Chinese treaty, PPWT, which does not have wide support in the UN. Late in the segment, Michael talked about the OST and the definition of a space object. We also talked about space salvage compared to ocean salvage. He told us to check out Project Azorian www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305) (but did not tell us what this was.
In our second segment, Michael wanted to focus on solutions & he offered us some of his ideas on the subject. Still referring to his PPT slides. One suggestion was to offer limited liability to third parties or those working to mitigate a debris issue, similar to what many of the commercial spaceports are doing with the suborbital spaceship companies and manufacturers. He talked quite a bit about the proposed Swiss concept for debris mitigation which he liked very much. Michael wrote another Space Review article on this concept last year which you can read at http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2032/1. Toward the end of the program, we talked about the need to preserve the Apollo landing sites as historical sites and some of the issues and challenged faced in doing so.
Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. Michael can also be contacted at michael.listner at spacesafetymagazine dot com.
Legal issues surrounding space debris remediation
Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 1: defining space debris
Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 2: liability
John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13 January 24, 2013
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: : John Batchelor, asteroid mining, Dr. David Livingston, John Batchelor Hotel Mars, mining law, Outer Space Treaty, space law, space property rights, Wayne White
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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1935-BWB-2013-01-23.mp3
Guests: John Batchelor, Wayne White, Dr. David Livingston: Topics: Space law, space property rights, asteroid mining. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. During our 11 minute plus discussion, Wayne White and I talked with John Batchelor about space property rights and the absence of them, asteroid mining, the Outer Space Treaty, space law, and viewing the coming commercial space activity with asteroid mining as being similar to the 49er days of early California. John asked lots of questions comparing this period to what he sees as the coming future for asteroid mining. Wayne talked about mining law, legal claims through the diplomatic process and more.
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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12 November 28, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: Apollo landing site preservation, Austria space law, benefit sharing, Code of Conduct, commercial space, CubeSat, delineation of outer space, EnviSat., ITAR, Law of the Sea Treaty, limited liability laws, Michael Listner, Moon Treaty, Outer Space Treaty, space debris, space law 2012, space policy, space property rights, suborbital space, TCBMs
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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1902-BWB-2012-11-27.mp3
National Center For Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law, Friday, 10-12-12 October 13, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: 7th Galloway Symposium on Critical Issues in Space Law, Air & Space Law, Chuck Dickey, commercial space, international law, internships, John Wood, Journal of Space Law., law school, National Center for Remote Sensing, Nick Welly, Outer Space Treaty, planetary protection, Remote Sensing, Res Communis, space law, University of Mississippi
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National Center For Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law, Friday, 10-12-12
With Chuck Dickey, John Wood, & Nick Welly
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1871-BWB-2012-10-12.mp3
Guests: Chuck Dickey, John Wood, Nick Welly. Topics: We discuss the NationalCenter for Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law at Ole Miss. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed our three guests to the program to discuss the benefits and services provided to the U.S. along with the global space community by the National Center for Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law at the University of Mississippi School of Law as well as the quality legal education afforded the students pursuing an interest in space law. Visit their website for more information and for the publications and events mentioned during our discussion: www.spacelaw.olemiss.edu. Our program started with an opening statement about the Center by each of our three guests. As you will hear, John and Nick were students at the Center while Chuck has been a user of services provided by the Center as well as providing internship opportunities for the space law students. Each guest told just how important the Center was and still is to them and their work. Throughout our program, we talked about the Center Director, Joanne Irene Gabrynowicz who has been a guest on this program several times in the past. In our first segment, we talked about international space law, U.S. space law, and other space law schools, comparing their programs to those offered by the National Center. Specific issues such as remote sensing were highlighted as was commercial space, and telecommunications. Published by the National Center, the Journal of Space Law was discussed, including the archival base as well as new issue subscriptions. We talked about some of the articles published in it and the publication as an outstanding resource for space law and researchers in general. Also mentioned was the Res Communis blog which is a free subscription providing important and timely information about aviation and space law issues. Michael called in to talk about academics, treaty space law, international space law issues, and the contributions to the field from the Center. He mentioned the upcoming 7th Galloway Symposium on Critical Issues in Space Law in Washington, DC, an event sponsored by the Center. You can find out more about this event on the Center’s website.
In our short second segment, I asked about planetary protection and Article 9 of the OST based on our program earlier in the week with the director of NASA’s Planetary Protection office. Our guests told us about their studies and work in this area and the relevance of this to the work of the Center. Listener Sagi called in to talk about the Center and how it has benefitted him in his law practice & more. I also thanked him for his part in helping me set up this program with our three guests. Other topics during this segment included commercial space, commercial space companies, other space law programs in the U.S. and around the world, plus the European Code of Conduct for Outer Space Development. Our three guests left us with meaningful closing comments which you definitely want to hear.
Please post your comments/questions about this discussion on The Space Show blog.
Dr. Catharine Conley, Monday, 10-8-12 October 9, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: " Phobos Grunt Mission, Bigelow Aerospace habitats, COSPAR Planetary Protection Policy, Curiosity, Dr. Catharine Conley, Europa, flyby missions, Gale Crater, HSF to Mars, human settlement on Mars, ISS, JPL, Mars, Mars meteorites, Mars Oasis, Mars sample return mission, Moon, MSL, NASA Planetary Protection Office, NEOs, New Horizons Mission, Outer Space Treaty, Planetary Defense, Planetary Protection Mission Categories, planetary quarantine, terreforming, UV Light, Venus, Viking, Voyager missions
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Dr. Catharine Conley, Monday, 10-8-12
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1868-BWB-2012-10-08.mp3
Guest: Dr. Catharine Conley. Topics: NASA & international planetary protection policy, methodology, & applications. You are invited to comment, ask questions, & discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, & any discussion must be relevant & applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Catharine Conley, NASA’s Planetary Protection Officer to the show for a comprehensive discussion on the subject of planetary protection. Planetary Protection is concerned with preventing the transfer of life between planetary bodies. For more information, visit the NASA Planetary Protection website at http://planetaryprotection.nasa.gov. Dr. Conley started our discussion with the definition of planetary protection, followed by a brief history dating back to the Apollo missions & planetary quarantine. Dr. Conley talked extensively about microbes & their survival. One of the points she made in response to a question was just how friendly the very cold temperatures of space could be for microbes. On the other hand, radiation & the UV light are the enemies of microbial survival. We talked about a Mars sample return mission, what safety precautions would be taken, & then our guest was asked about using the ISS or the Moon as a quarantine lab to protect Earth. You will hear why this is not a good idea & later when asked about using a Bigelow habitat as a planetary protection lab since it would not be a government lab, our guest applied the same reasoning. Dr. Conley talked about the Viking missions as the most stringent ever for planetary protection. In terms of the methodology, we talked about how a mission is prepared for planetary protection, the probability of contamination, & I asked about cost-benefit analysis & the value of added costs & more time for planetary protection if the probability of contamination was so low. As you will hear, building in planetary protection starting with the concept stage is not a significant contributor to costs as its usually less than 1% of mission costs. We also talked about protocols for a NEO mission, the New Horizons mission on the way to Pluto, & missions to other planets & flyby missions. Next, our guest addressed issues with Mars Science Lab & Curiosity. Near the end of the first segment, we talked about international protocols, Article 9 of the OST, & the international COSPAR Planetary Protection Policy. Dr. Conley talked about international space agency adherence to the policy, country by country. Viruses & extra-terrestrial life possibilities brought us to the close of this segment.
In our second segment, Dr. Conley talked about the need for public awareness & educational outreach regarding planetary protection. Listeners asked about human flights to Mars, even one way flights. Don’t miss this discussion. Did you know that it is very likely that humans will be restricted as to where they can go on Mars based on planetary protection policy? Or, by the time we send humans to Mars, we will have learned enough about Mars so that the human part regarding planetary protection will not prove to be much of a threat or risk. We talked about terreforming, what to do with a crew member death on Mars & being able to bury the body, then we talked about planetary protection policy among the NASA centers. Near the end, our guest was asked about the Phobos-Grunt mission & the Russian adherence to planetary protection policies. We inquired about Mars meteorites here on Earth & future missions being worked on with the planetary protection office including two Mars missions & the concept of a Europa mission.
Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. If you want to contact Dr. Conley, send your note to me & I will forward it to her.
Open Lines, Tuesday, 8-21-12 August 22, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: " SpaceX, "How To Be A Rocket Scientist, "NASA And We Know It.", Art Dula, Curiosity, Dr. Robert (Bob) Zubrin, Elon Musk, Falcon Heavy, heavy lift, JPL, Mars program, Mars Society, Megantic Observatory, NANOSAT Challenge, nuclear rocket propulsion, Open Lines, Outer Space Treaty, presidential space policy, Propellant Depots, sequestration, SLS, space policy leadership, STEM outreach
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Open Lines, Tuesday, 8-21-12
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1838-BWB-2012-08-21.mp3
Rand Simberg, Tuesday, 5-15-12 May 16, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: " Rand Simberg, Antarctica, Arctic, English Common Law, failure, fatal accidents, government regulation, land claims, launch country liability, Law of the Sea Treaty, Liberty Launch Vehicle, Moon Treaty, NASA, off planet development, Outer Space Treaty, public relations, risk aversion, royalty interests for space, space policy, space property rights, The Final Frontier, third party injury/damage., U.S. congress, U.S. real estate law for space
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Rand Simberg, Tuesday, 5-15-12
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1775-BWB-2012-05-15.mp3
Guest: Rand Simberg. Topics: Space Frontier property rights and risk aversion. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Rand Simberg to discuss his research paper on space property rights, Homesteading the Final Frontier (http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Rand%20Simberg%20-%20Homesteading%20the%20Final%20Frontier.pdf). In the second part of the program, we discussed his next project focusing on our being too risk averse. Our property rights discussion addressed many areas including land claims, the Outer Space Treaty, the Moon Treaty, English Common Law, royalty payments, commercial space development & enhancement, government regulation, marketable space real estate, both the Antarctica & Arctic models, & the Law of the Sea Treaty. Issues about launch country liability/responsibility were discussed & several listeners commented to Rand on his ideas, both for & con. I also strongly recommend you read his paper per the URL above as he does a good job of laying out his idea and why he believes it to be both viable and important.
In the last segment, we switched topics to his newest project dealing with risk aversion. He said the working title of his new project would be “We Are Not Killing Enough People.” When I questioned him about the wisdom of such an inflammatory title, he said it was meant to get attention. Listen to the discussion and see what you think. Rand & listeners cited many examples of what is believed to be excessive regulation that either already does or has the potential to limit our choices as to what we can and cannot do. I also cited examples from my own life about choosing risky things to do without having to be concerned about government regulations at the time. But Rand kept the topic focused on space as much as possible & put forth a strong case for individual choice as long as it does not impact third parties & he made a strong connection with choice to economic growth, development, & resource expansion/utilization. He also talked about the need to be free to fail and that frontiers have never been settled throughout history without the loss of life. Near the end of the program, one listener said to Rand that “life without risk is a fantasy.” Our congress was a big part of the focus of the discussion & here, Rand suggested that since most in Congress don’t care that much about space & most people don’t either, that when we write to our representatives, our letters have more impact than usual because they so seldom here from space supporters other than those in the industry lobbying for this or that policy. Rand received lots of agreement on his risk conclusions & his idea that more people need to die to develop the frontier, but he also got strong opposition to his ideas. Bill was one who opposed Rand’s ideas from a marketing & adverse publicity perspective. Jim suggested that Rand & others needed to convince the public & Congress that space was a frontier and that it was actually worth dying for in settling/taming it. For the most part, there was strong support for being less risk averse & for settling & economically developing the space frontier. When Rand’s new project is published, I will be sure to call your attention to it so you can read & evaluate it for yourself.
Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above. Rand can be contacted through his own blog, Transterrestrial Musings at www.transterrestrial.com. You can also comment on his Space Show appearance on his blog in addition to our blog.
Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Monday, 4-30-12 April 30, 2012
Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.Tags: asteroid mining, Commercial Crew, commercial markets, customary international law, down select, Dragon, Earth imaging, Falcon 9. , Federal Acquisition Rules (FAR), Moon Treaty, Outer Space Treaty, Planetary Resources, property rights, Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, SLS, Space Act Agreement, space telescopes, Space X, static test, U.S. congress
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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Monday, 4-30-12
http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1764-BWB-2012-04-30.mp3
Guest: Robert (Bob) Zimmerman. Topics: Space X static test, Congress & commercial crew, Planetary Resources & space property rights. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Bob Zimmerman back to the program to discuss today’s Falcon 9 static test, Congress & commercial crew, and the Planetary Resources announcements of last week. Visit Bob’s website for more information, http://behindtheblack.com. During the first segment, Bob talked about congress and its proposed treatment of commercial crew including down selecting the companies, reducing funding, and moving to the FAR instead of remaining with the Space Act Agreement. Bob got lots of questions about markets in space and why commercial companies need government money in the first place. In this segment, we also talked about the Falcon 9 static test today and its relevance for congress. Bob targeted SLS for discussion. As you will hear, there was not much support for SLS among those of us listening to today’s program.
In the second segment, we talked about the Planetary Resources venture announced last week. Part of our focus was on the 9″ space telescope, its likely uses and resolution. We talked about it for asteroid finding and Earth imaging – with serious reservations. Bob suggested that the real business for the company was in selling the space telescopes to customers wanting that product or service as the mining was still a decade or so out into the future. In talking about the telescope, we discussed pointing, stability, resolution, being placed on the Moon, and less than ideal light coming from the asteroids. In talking about space telescopes, we discussed Hubble and the JWST. In other space news updates, Bob talked about Orbital moving Antares to the pad for its testing and there is an article on his blog about it being seriously over budget: www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/orbital-sciences-development-costs-increase-371291. Another topic we discussed was the Chinese political system and its turmoil, also its economy and how this might impact their space program. Bob had much to say about this as well as India and its space program which he said might prove to be the dark horse in space development. Toward the end of this 2 hour 8 minute program, Michael Listner called in to talk about legal issues for Planetary Resources in their resource extraction stage of development, plus property rights, the Outer Space Treaty and even the impact of the Moon Treaty. Bob and Michael had a spirited debate about these issues, including the potential influence of the Moon Treaty and international customary law which Bob completely dismissed. Michael has an excellent article on the subject at www.spacesafetymagazine.com/2012/04/26/commercial-space-leap-earth-orbit-legal-implications/.
Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. You can reach Bob Zimmerman through his website.
