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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon – Evoloterra- Sunday, 7-20-14 July 21, 2014

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon – Evoloterra- Sunday, 7-20-14

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Guests:  Rand Simberg, Bill Simon.  Topics:  Evoloterra Ceremony and our Moon landing July 20, 1969, current HSF issue.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon, co-authors of Evoloterra which commemorated when we first left planet Earth and landed on another planet.  To follow along with us with the ceremony, visit http://www.evoloterra.com.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 51 minute program, Rand and Bill explained the significance of the July 20, 1969 date and their Evoloterra ceremony.  Rand also said that our earlier Moon program was a dead end path and that we will not be going back to the Moon the way we did Apollo. This comment provided an overriding theme throughout the program as Rand explained why large unaffordable rockets were not the way to do things when we could do smaller rockets, use fuel depots, and make space more affordable.  Bill explained the July 20th significance saying it was the turning point when humans were no longer bound by Earth.  Rand and Bill read the Evoloterra introduction which is a passage from an Arthur C. Clarke novel.  Bill also pointed out the significance of going to the Moon in peace and that the U.S. made no effort to nationalize or conquer the Moon.  Rand and Bill then took us back to the affordable and scalable space program needs and said that our current program was neither affordable or scalable.  I asked them both for lessons learned and I bet you won’t be surprised by the answer I got.  Rand cited SpaceX many times during the program, especially as a model for affordable space and for having a vision.  In response to listener questions, Rand said cost was a nonsense issue.  Don’t miss why he said this multiple times during our program.  Near the end of the segment, our guests talked about the myth of Apollo, space leadership issues, and Rand’s frequent statement that nobody cares about space which he then demonstrates by the space policies now in play.

In Part 2, Rand talked about his USA Today article, “Apollo Program A Flameout At 40″ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/18/apollo-nasa-anniversary-moon-column/12734813).  Rand also mentioned Part 3 of the Brian Berger series on space in the Houston Chronicle (www.houstonchronicle.com/nasa/adrift/3).  During this segment, we talked more about the Evoloterra ceremony, how it was modeled on the Seder, & the importance of ritual in helping people remember historical and important events.  Later, space property rights came up for discussion, then our guests each gave us closing comments.  Rand’s summary was that there was a better way than the big rocket.  Bill Said Apollo 11 was a water shed event.

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Dr. Rachel Armstrong, Friday, 7-18-14 July 19, 2014

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Dr. Rachel Armstrong, Friday, 7-18-14

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Guest:  Dr. Rachel Armstrong.  Topics:  Living architecture design for interstellar habitable starships.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Rachel Armstrong to the program to discuss the Icarus Interstellar Project Persephone-Living Architectures.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 37 minute discussion, Dr. Armstrong provided us with a bit of her personal history and background leading up to her interest in space and living architectures.  As you will hear, her medical experience and perspectives were critical to her connecting the body in a relationship with technology.  As our guest began introducing us to Project Persephone, Dr. Armstrong talked about the need to move from an industrial type society and economy to an ecological based system which she fully described throughout both segments of our discussion.  She talked about new ways of understanding and working with matter and microbes leading to new world views, new types of structures, and to space habitats that will evolve based on the needs of the crew.  During our discussion, Dr. Armstrong mentioned many of the leaders in applicable and related fields, their projects, and their papers so I suggest you have pen & paper handy to jot them down for your own research benefits.  Dr. Armstrong, in talking about living architectures, made the point many times over that we should start thinking in broader ways about the materials we use.  Don’t miss her explanation & discussion of this & other important concepts.  I also suggest you read “Designing a Sustainable Interstellar Worldship” written by our guest (http://news.discovery.com/space/private-spaceflight/project-persephone-icarus-interstellar-100yss-120920.htm).  We talked about today’s closed and open loop life support systems and how the future will be built upon the shoulders of today’s engineers and designers.  Dr. Armstrong introduced us to non-human matter in this segment, but we continued talking about it in our last segment as well.  Complexity was discussed, then listener Jack asked by email for our guest to describe the future starship with an evolvable environment.

In our second segment, B John asked if we should skip HSF to the Moon and Mars as distractions, instead focusing on habitable orbiting space stations and growing them into world ships. Don’t miss her answer.  Rachel talked at length in both segments about the manifesto and its purpose and place in ecological starship design.  Our guest also pointed out potential conflicts with solar system exploration and the Outer Space Treaty.  Heather asked Rachel if she would produce a reading and reference list given all the citations and references she offered us in our discussion.  While that might be forthcoming, do visit Rachel’s related website, http://www.blackskythinking.org. B John sent in a follow up email asking just how biologically independent humans are from the Earth and its unmanageable ecology.  Don’t miss Rachel’s reply.  Another listener asked about the concepts being discussed today appearing in sci fi literature and film.  Rachel talked some more about sim biosphere which will be a new upcoming project.  As we were ending, starship cities were discussed as was the Philips Microbial Home (www.design.philips.com/about/design/designportfolio/design_futures/microbial_home.page).  Among the many people referenced by our guest was architect Philip Beesley and his work (www.philipbeesleyarchitect.com).

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Mike Gold, Tuesday, 7-1-14 July 2, 2014

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Mike Gold, Tuesday, 7-1-14

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Guest:  Mike Gold.   Topics:  Office of Commercial Space Transportation (COMSTAC) Advisory Committee & Bigelow Aerospace updates.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Mike Gold, particularly in his new position as the Chair of the Office of Commercial Space Transportation (COMSTAC) Advisory Committee, as well as for Bigelow Aerospace updates in the second half of our program.  During the first segment of our one hour discussion, Mr. Gold talked about the Office of Commercial Space Transportation, the COMSTAC which is the Advisory Committee of which he is the new Chair. He also explained the relationship of the COMSTAC with the FAA AST and let us know that their meetings are open to the public.  Announcements, archived videos and other important COMSTAC information can be found on their website at http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ast/advisory_committee.  ITAR reform was also a big part of our discussion.

In the second segment, Mr. Gold provided us with Bigelow Aerospace updates.  We started with Tony’s email about the Landis Land orbit in the Venusian Atmosphere in which in which he inquired if Bigelow or anyone had any plans to put a habitat in that orbit.  Mile’s response seemed to leave some openings there for a future down the road.  We talked more about ITAR, a subject that was discussed in both segments.  Mr. Gold talked about the upcoming ISS Bigelow Expandable Activity Module (BEAM), which is scheduled to arrive at the space station in 2015 for a two-year technology demonstration (www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/beam_feature.html).  Mike mentioned that an astronaut would actually board the module.  We talked about government regulations, going BLEO and space property rights.  In fact, Mike suggested that the absence space property rights or legal processes for investment by private space companies is at least a partial explanation for why we have done so little in space development over the past several decades.  In the context of space based property right, we discussed the Outer Space Treaty (OST), benefit sharing issues, and the Moon Treaty.  Mike talked about an important first step in property right which would be to make sure that companies who operate and engage in space development can do so in an exclusive non-interference zone.  Near the end of the discussion we talked about the frustration in waiting for progress to be made, the earlier Bigelow successes including Genesis 1 & 2 and the BA 330 full service/size habitat.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Mike Gold through COMSTAC or me.

The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 4-30-14 May 1, 2014

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 4-30-14

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Guests: John Batchelor, Michael Listner, Atty, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: China & space militarization, Russia & ISS, SpaceX DOD litigation, & RD180 engine. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm). For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

We welcomed back to Hotel Mars attorney Michael Listner to help us discuss recent statements by the Chinese President indicating that China should pursue the militarization of space. Coupled with this were the new warnings from Russia that our new sanctions against Russia may force Russia to cease working with the U.S. in space. Finally, we talked with Michael about the SpaceX lawsuit against the DOD so that they can break the ULA launch monopoly for Air Force high value satellites. Michael took us through discussion points on each of these issues and from a legal perspective.

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Dr. Alice Gorman, Tuesday, 1-7-14 January 8, 2014

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Dr. Alice Gorman, Tuesday, 1-7-14

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Guest:  Dr. Alice Gorman.  Topics:  Space archaeology.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Alice Gorman to the show for this 1 hour 38 minute fascinating space archaeology discussion.  During our first segment, Dr. Gorman explained space archaeology, talked about space debris, cultural preservation, and much more.  We talked about archaeological techniques used here on Earth and how they can be applied to space archaeology.  We also talked about the fact that most space artifacts are in space so what we often find in museums are replicas or simulated items which are not the same and have a different meaning for the archaeologist.  Dr. Gorman then talked about the possibility of artifacts from other cultures or even extraterrestrial life and questioned if we could even recognize what we were looking at or working with since it might be radically different from what we know and work with on Earth.  Listener Jonny emailed in to ask what would happen if China went to an lunar Apollo landing site and took some of the items left on the Moon back to be displayed in a Chinese museum.  Dr. Gorman did not think that likely, spoke about the Outer Space Treaty and that items are always owned by the launching company, and the NASA heritage sites guidelines they have proposed. Several questions came in regarding growth in the private, commercial, & entrepreneurial segments of the space community and how cultural and heritage protection might work with these nongovernment entities.  This led to an interesting discussion about company behavior, culture, early planning, awareness, and even benefit sharing.  We had a fun discussion about advertising in space for the ad to be seen back on Earth and we talked about how many of us hold the night sky sacred and do not want it spoiled.

In the second segment, Angela asked Alice when space archaeology would come into its own.  Alice replied that it already had “arrived” and cited many examples proving this.  Kimberly emailed in about the usefulness for archaeological purposes of space settlement garbage. Mars One was the model for this.  As we learned, archaeologists learn much from garbage so don’t miss what Alice said might result from a Mars One garbage dump analysis.  Todd emailed in about pets going to space settlements and if archaeologists would look for pet remains or traces of human pet relationships to learn about a space settlement.  We talked about Dark Skies and raising our awareness for specific issues, plus the need for early planning by businesses.  As the show was about to end, I asked our guest for the hottest topics in space archaeology. Alice named three topics.  The final question asked Alice to look forward five years and describe the field of space archaeology in 2019.

Post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above.  Check our Dr. Gorman’s blog, Space Age Archaeology, at http://zoharesque.blogspot.com.  Her university website is www.flinders.edu.au/people/alice.gorman.  Her email address is listed on the page.

Robert Walker, Friday, 10-4-13 October 4, 2013

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Robert Walker, Friday, 10-4-13

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Guest:  Robert Walker.  Topics:  Humans to Mars and other destinations in the solar system.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Robert Walker to the program for a 1 hour 28 minute discussion about his analysis, conclusions, and thoughts regarding humans putting colonies on Mars and elsewhere in the solar system.  You can read his articles at www.science20.com/robertinventor.  Robert has a YouTube channel at www.youtube/marsandspace.  I urge listeners to read his articles as they are thought provoking.  Though you might not agree with his conclusions, keep an open mind, his articles are very informative and what he has to say should be part of our human spaceflight to Mars discussion.  In other words, don’t dismiss or blow off what Robert and others are saying about the issues he brought to our attention today.  We started the discussion with his August 14th op-ed, “Ten Reasons Not To Live On Mars – Great Place to Explore.”  Rather than going through each of the ten items, for purposes of this summary and our discussion, we will talk about planetary protection and making sure humans do not contaminate any part of Mars for scientific exploration.  Robert referenced the UN as well as NASA and other nation’s Planetary Protection Policy against human contamination on Mars and the provisions in the Outer Space Treaty that impose this obligation on all signing countries.  Planetary Protection has been discussed before on several Space Show programs but Robert talked about it in the context of why humans to Mars missions will not be allowed and should not be undertaken.  He is much more supportive of orbiting missions such as Inspiration Mars or even going to Phobos and Deimos.  Most of our first segment is about this subject.  We also talked about sample return missions using the ISS or the Moon, exoplanets, lunar settlement, asteroid resources, and space exploration in general.

In the second segment, I opened asking him about his short article on the true color of a specifically discovered exoplanet which was cobalt blue as a result of a continuous rain of liquid glass.  Robert got several listener emails about planetary protection, Elon Musk and his plans to settle Mars, ways to avoid contamination, and more.  He even got a question or two asking why in the literature ETs that have come to other in the stories (maybe), etc. don’t seem to have a regard for avoiding contaminating Earth.  This was a fun discussion. Another listener asked him a question about his musical and math background and using music to communicate with ET in sci fi movies, wondering if there was any science in fact to the idea of musical communication.  Another fun discussion.  Jody asked about going to a dry part of Mars with humans to avoid contamination.  Don’t miss Robert’s reply to this scenario.  Robert also spoke about teleportation, saying it was key to space exploration.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can email Robert Walker at support@robertinventor.com.  His website is www.robertinventor.com.

John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-24-13 July 25, 2013

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-24-13

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Guests: John Batchelor, Michael Listner, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics:  The legalities & issues regarding asteroid and resource mining in space.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).

During our 11 minute plus discussion, John, Mike Listener, and I talked about the legalities of asteroid mining, resource usage in space, potential issues such as profit sharing, treaty constraints, liability, and government regulation.  I believe Michael summed it up well when near the end of our segment, he said that this type of activity was still possibly 20 years away and during that time, the legal issues should be addressed and hopefully resolved.

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Michael Listner, Monday, 5-6-13 May 6, 2013

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Michael Listner, Monday, 5-6-13

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space debris issues and ideas for solutions.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program to discuss space debris and Apollo artifact issues along with his ideas for possible solutions to the debris problem.  On The Space Show blog, you will find three of Michael’s Space Review articles on the subject plus his Power Point slide presentation at the end of the blog summary statement.  In addition, Michael had an article in the current Space Review on the preservation of Apollo historic sites. For this article, see www.thespacereview.com/article/2290/1.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 44 minute show, Michael offered us his definition of space debris and pointed us to his slides which I urge you to have available when listening to this show. Again, his slide presentation is uploaded to the blog for this program and is the last item of the uploads.  He summarized the space debris issue as both legal and thorny!  After defining debris and the issues using the first few of his slides, he talked about other issues including ITAR, property rights, technical, and even national security issues.  Listeners asked him several questions, mostly focused on LEO as that is the most crowded region at this time and the priority for debris mitigation.  CubeSat issues came up given the potential debris problem should the cubesats manifest in the quantity talked about and planned.  We talked policy issues and different strategies as suggested by China and Russia.  We also talked about weapons issues and dual use for the military as well as for civilian use.  Michael went over Transparency Confidence Measures (TCMs) instead of new treaties and mentioned the proposed Russian/Chinese treaty, PPWT, which does not have wide support in the UN.  Late in the segment, Michael talked about the OST and the definition of a space object. We also talked about space salvage compared to ocean salvage. He told us to check out Project Azorian www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305) (but did not tell us what this was.

In our second segment, Michael wanted to focus on solutions & he offered us some of his ideas on the subject. Still referring to his PPT slides.  One suggestion was to offer limited liability to third parties or those working to mitigate a debris issue, similar to what many of the commercial spaceports are doing with the suborbital spaceship companies and manufacturers.  He talked quite a bit about the proposed Swiss concept for debris mitigation which he liked very much. Michael wrote another Space Review article on this concept last year which you can read at http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2032/1.  Toward the end of the program, we talked about the need to preserve the Apollo landing sites as historical sites and some of the issues and challenged faced in doing so.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. Michael can also be contacted at michael.listner at spacesafetymagazine dot com.

Legal issues surrounding space debris remediation

Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 1: defining space debris

Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 2: liability

Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 3: policy

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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13 January 24, 2013

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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13

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Guests:  John Batchelor, Wayne White, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics: Space law, space property rights, asteroid mining.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  During our 11 minute plus discussion, Wayne White and I talked with John Batchelor about space property rights and the absence of them, asteroid mining, the Outer Space Treaty, space law, and viewing the coming commercial space activity with asteroid mining as being similar to the 49er days of early California.  John asked lots of questions comparing this period to what he sees as the coming future for asteroid mining. Wayne talked about mining law, legal claims through the diplomatic process and more.

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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12 November 28, 2012

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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1902-BWB-2012-11-27.mp3

Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space law & policy review for 2012.  Please direct all comments & questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments & questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright & are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Michael Listner back to the show to do our first ever annual review of space law issues. Michael had several topics to discuss including the Code of  Contact, Transparency & Confidence-Building Measures (TCBMs), Cube sat regulation, ITAR, Planetary resources & space property rights, Space debris with an emphasis on EnviSat, Austria’s space law in particular the launch of Austria’s first satellite in December, Commercial space in particular limited liability laws, Delineation of air space & outer space, the Moon Treaty & the ascension of Turkey & Saudi Arabia, Rules of Arbitration, & the preservation of Apollo landing sites.  We started with two main space law issues of 2012, the European Code of Conduct & TCBMs.  Michael did a good job explaining the history of these items, where are today with them & what is likely to happen with them in 2013.  We also talked about space taking on the role of being normal & we both pointed out ways in which it interacts with regular law even if consumers are behind a firewall & have no awareness of space law issues.  Our discussion turned toward benefit sharing & this took us into an extensive Moon Treaty discussion. I urge people not blow off what to many of us are radical departures from how we have been conducting space affairs & how we want to see commercial space evolve.  There are longer term potential risks given trends in benefit sharing, more countries signing on to the Moon Treaty, & even listener feedback I get right here on The Space Show.  Michael urged us to pay attention if other nations sign the Moon Treaty, particularly if Russia or China agree to it.  Michael talked about legal theories that can make the Moon Treaty enforceable given it is a legal treaty, even if the U.S. & others do not sign it.  Again, I urge our audience to not discount this potential longer term risk.
     In the second segment, Michael talked about the issue of just where space starts.  He mentioned two theories on this & why it is an important issue. The U.S. position tends to discount the debate & operates as if the 100km point is the edge of space.  It appears we abstain from the debate with the opinion it is a settled issue but evidently not in some circles as it is a hot button issue.  We also talked about the limited liability laws for suborbital space, especially in New Mexico which is having a problem accepting it in its legislature.  We mentioned the potential impact limited liability might have on Spaceport America so it deserves watching.  Michael talked about cubesat regulation & an upcoming European conference on that subject.  He said it is something we need to be carefully watching.  ITAR reform, especially in terms of getting satellites off the munitions list to the dual technology list was also a key issue for the year & will be next year.  We also talked about space debris issues & the impact of ESA’s EnviSat.  As our program was ending, I asked Michael for some future 2013 assessments of hot button issues.  Among those he mentioned included the Code, TCBMs, ITAR, possibly the Moon Treaty & Planetary Resources types of issues.  A listener asked about our withdrawal from the OST but Michael did not think that would mean much. Our last topic dealt with the historical preservation of the Apollo 11 & 17 landing sites.
    Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can email Michael at michael@spacelawsolutions.com.
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