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Dr. Alice Gorman, Tuesday, 1-7-14 January 8, 2014

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Dr. Alice Gorman, Tuesday, 1-7-14

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Guest:  Dr. Alice Gorman.  Topics:  Space archaeology.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Dr. Alice Gorman to the show for this 1 hour 38 minute fascinating space archaeology discussion.  During our first segment, Dr. Gorman explained space archaeology, talked about space debris, cultural preservation, and much more.  We talked about archaeological techniques used here on Earth and how they can be applied to space archaeology.  We also talked about the fact that most space artifacts are in space so what we often find in museums are replicas or simulated items which are not the same and have a different meaning for the archaeologist.  Dr. Gorman then talked about the possibility of artifacts from other cultures or even extraterrestrial life and questioned if we could even recognize what we were looking at or working with since it might be radically different from what we know and work with on Earth.  Listener Jonny emailed in to ask what would happen if China went to an lunar Apollo landing site and took some of the items left on the Moon back to be displayed in a Chinese museum.  Dr. Gorman did not think that likely, spoke about the Outer Space Treaty and that items are always owned by the launching company, and the NASA heritage sites guidelines they have proposed. Several questions came in regarding growth in the private, commercial, & entrepreneurial segments of the space community and how cultural and heritage protection might work with these nongovernment entities.  This led to an interesting discussion about company behavior, culture, early planning, awareness, and even benefit sharing.  We had a fun discussion about advertising in space for the ad to be seen back on Earth and we talked about how many of us hold the night sky sacred and do not want it spoiled.

In the second segment, Angela asked Alice when space archaeology would come into its own.  Alice replied that it already had “arrived” and cited many examples proving this.  Kimberly emailed in about the usefulness for archaeological purposes of space settlement garbage. Mars One was the model for this.  As we learned, archaeologists learn much from garbage so don’t miss what Alice said might result from a Mars One garbage dump analysis.  Todd emailed in about pets going to space settlements and if archaeologists would look for pet remains or traces of human pet relationships to learn about a space settlement.  We talked about Dark Skies and raising our awareness for specific issues, plus the need for early planning by businesses.  As the show was about to end, I asked our guest for the hottest topics in space archaeology. Alice named three topics.  The final question asked Alice to look forward five years and describe the field of space archaeology in 2019.

Post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above.  Check our Dr. Gorman’s blog, Space Age Archaeology, at http://zoharesque.blogspot.com.  Her university website is www.flinders.edu.au/people/alice.gorman.  Her email address is listed on the page.

Robert Walker, Friday, 10-4-13 October 4, 2013

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Robert Walker, Friday, 10-4-13

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Guest:  Robert Walker.  Topics:  Humans to Mars and other destinations in the solar system.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Robert Walker to the program for a 1 hour 28 minute discussion about his analysis, conclusions, and thoughts regarding humans putting colonies on Mars and elsewhere in the solar system.  You can read his articles at www.science20.com/robertinventor.  Robert has a YouTube channel at www.youtube/marsandspace.  I urge listeners to read his articles as they are thought provoking.  Though you might not agree with his conclusions, keep an open mind, his articles are very informative and what he has to say should be part of our human spaceflight to Mars discussion.  In other words, don’t dismiss or blow off what Robert and others are saying about the issues he brought to our attention today.  We started the discussion with his August 14th op-ed, “Ten Reasons Not To Live On Mars – Great Place to Explore.”  Rather than going through each of the ten items, for purposes of this summary and our discussion, we will talk about planetary protection and making sure humans do not contaminate any part of Mars for scientific exploration.  Robert referenced the UN as well as NASA and other nation’s Planetary Protection Policy against human contamination on Mars and the provisions in the Outer Space Treaty that impose this obligation on all signing countries.  Planetary Protection has been discussed before on several Space Show programs but Robert talked about it in the context of why humans to Mars missions will not be allowed and should not be undertaken.  He is much more supportive of orbiting missions such as Inspiration Mars or even going to Phobos and Deimos.  Most of our first segment is about this subject.  We also talked about sample return missions using the ISS or the Moon, exoplanets, lunar settlement, asteroid resources, and space exploration in general.

In the second segment, I opened asking him about his short article on the true color of a specifically discovered exoplanet which was cobalt blue as a result of a continuous rain of liquid glass.  Robert got several listener emails about planetary protection, Elon Musk and his plans to settle Mars, ways to avoid contamination, and more.  He even got a question or two asking why in the literature ETs that have come to other in the stories (maybe), etc. don’t seem to have a regard for avoiding contaminating Earth.  This was a fun discussion. Another listener asked him a question about his musical and math background and using music to communicate with ET in sci fi movies, wondering if there was any science in fact to the idea of musical communication.  Another fun discussion.  Jody asked about going to a dry part of Mars with humans to avoid contamination.  Don’t miss Robert’s reply to this scenario.  Robert also spoke about teleportation, saying it was key to space exploration.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can email Robert Walker at support@robertinventor.com.  His website is www.robertinventor.com.

John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-24-13 July 25, 2013

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-24-13

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Guests: John Batchelor, Michael Listner, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics:  The legalities & issues regarding asteroid and resource mining in space.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).

During our 11 minute plus discussion, John, Mike Listener, and I talked about the legalities of asteroid mining, resource usage in space, potential issues such as profit sharing, treaty constraints, liability, and government regulation.  I believe Michael summed it up well when near the end of our segment, he said that this type of activity was still possibly 20 years away and during that time, the legal issues should be addressed and hopefully resolved.

Please post any comments/questions you might have on The Space Show blog.  You can contact any of  us through drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Michael Listner, Monday, 5-6-13 May 6, 2013

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Michael Listner, Monday, 5-6-13

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space debris issues and ideas for solutions.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program to discuss space debris and Apollo artifact issues along with his ideas for possible solutions to the debris problem.  On The Space Show blog, you will find three of Michael’s Space Review articles on the subject plus his Power Point slide presentation at the end of the blog summary statement.  In addition, Michael had an article in the current Space Review on the preservation of Apollo historic sites. For this article, see www.thespacereview.com/article/2290/1.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 44 minute show, Michael offered us his definition of space debris and pointed us to his slides which I urge you to have available when listening to this show. Again, his slide presentation is uploaded to the blog for this program and is the last item of the uploads.  He summarized the space debris issue as both legal and thorny!  After defining debris and the issues using the first few of his slides, he talked about other issues including ITAR, property rights, technical, and even national security issues.  Listeners asked him several questions, mostly focused on LEO as that is the most crowded region at this time and the priority for debris mitigation.  CubeSat issues came up given the potential debris problem should the cubesats manifest in the quantity talked about and planned.  We talked policy issues and different strategies as suggested by China and Russia.  We also talked about weapons issues and dual use for the military as well as for civilian use.  Michael went over Transparency Confidence Measures (TCMs) instead of new treaties and mentioned the proposed Russian/Chinese treaty, PPWT, which does not have wide support in the UN.  Late in the segment, Michael talked about the OST and the definition of a space object. We also talked about space salvage compared to ocean salvage. He told us to check out Project Azorian www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305) (but did not tell us what this was.

In our second segment, Michael wanted to focus on solutions & he offered us some of his ideas on the subject. Still referring to his PPT slides.  One suggestion was to offer limited liability to third parties or those working to mitigate a debris issue, similar to what many of the commercial spaceports are doing with the suborbital spaceship companies and manufacturers.  He talked quite a bit about the proposed Swiss concept for debris mitigation which he liked very much. Michael wrote another Space Review article on this concept last year which you can read at http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2032/1.  Toward the end of the program, we talked about the need to preserve the Apollo landing sites as historical sites and some of the issues and challenged faced in doing so.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. Michael can also be contacted at michael.listner at spacesafetymagazine dot com.

Legal issues surrounding space debris remediation

Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 1: defining space debris

Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 2: liability

Addressing the challenges of space debris, part 3: policy

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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13 January 24, 2013

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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13

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Guests:  John Batchelor, Wayne White, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics: Space law, space property rights, asteroid mining.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  During our 11 minute plus discussion, Wayne White and I talked with John Batchelor about space property rights and the absence of them, asteroid mining, the Outer Space Treaty, space law, and viewing the coming commercial space activity with asteroid mining as being similar to the 49er days of early California.  John asked lots of questions comparing this period to what he sees as the coming future for asteroid mining. Wayne talked about mining law, legal claims through the diplomatic process and more.

     Please post any comments/questions you might have on The Space Show blog.  You can contact any of  us through drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12 November 28, 2012

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Michael Listner, Tuesday, 11-27-12

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space law & policy review for 2012.  Please direct all comments & questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments & questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright & are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Michael Listner back to the show to do our first ever annual review of space law issues. Michael had several topics to discuss including the Code of  Contact, Transparency & Confidence-Building Measures (TCBMs), Cube sat regulation, ITAR, Planetary resources & space property rights, Space debris with an emphasis on EnviSat, Austria’s space law in particular the launch of Austria’s first satellite in December, Commercial space in particular limited liability laws, Delineation of air space & outer space, the Moon Treaty & the ascension of Turkey & Saudi Arabia, Rules of Arbitration, & the preservation of Apollo landing sites.  We started with two main space law issues of 2012, the European Code of Conduct & TCBMs.  Michael did a good job explaining the history of these items, where are today with them & what is likely to happen with them in 2013.  We also talked about space taking on the role of being normal & we both pointed out ways in which it interacts with regular law even if consumers are behind a firewall & have no awareness of space law issues.  Our discussion turned toward benefit sharing & this took us into an extensive Moon Treaty discussion. I urge people not blow off what to many of us are radical departures from how we have been conducting space affairs & how we want to see commercial space evolve.  There are longer term potential risks given trends in benefit sharing, more countries signing on to the Moon Treaty, & even listener feedback I get right here on The Space Show.  Michael urged us to pay attention if other nations sign the Moon Treaty, particularly if Russia or China agree to it.  Michael talked about legal theories that can make the Moon Treaty enforceable given it is a legal treaty, even if the U.S. & others do not sign it.  Again, I urge our audience to not discount this potential longer term risk.
     In the second segment, Michael talked about the issue of just where space starts.  He mentioned two theories on this & why it is an important issue. The U.S. position tends to discount the debate & operates as if the 100km point is the edge of space.  It appears we abstain from the debate with the opinion it is a settled issue but evidently not in some circles as it is a hot button issue.  We also talked about the limited liability laws for suborbital space, especially in New Mexico which is having a problem accepting it in its legislature.  We mentioned the potential impact limited liability might have on Spaceport America so it deserves watching.  Michael talked about cubesat regulation & an upcoming European conference on that subject.  He said it is something we need to be carefully watching.  ITAR reform, especially in terms of getting satellites off the munitions list to the dual technology list was also a key issue for the year & will be next year.  We also talked about space debris issues & the impact of ESA’s EnviSat.  As our program was ending, I asked Michael for some future 2013 assessments of hot button issues.  Among those he mentioned included the Code, TCBMs, ITAR, possibly the Moon Treaty & Planetary Resources types of issues.  A listener asked about our withdrawal from the OST but Michael did not think that would mean much. Our last topic dealt with the historical preservation of the Apollo 11 & 17 landing sites.
    Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can email Michael at michael@spacelawsolutions.com.

Brad Blair, Tuesday, 10-23-12 October 24, 2012

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Brad Blair, Tuesday, 10-23-12

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Guest: Brad Blair.  Topics:  Space debris mitigation ideas, space governance, space mining, ISRU, plus other topics.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work, but must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies. We welcomed Brad Blair back to the program to discuss several issues including a law suit against governments per the Liability Convention to create a super fund to use in mitigating space debris.  Other topics included space mining, ISRU development, HSF to Mars, Cislunar development, the Red Bull Stratos jump, space skydiving, the NIAC-RAP (Robotic Asteroid Prospector Project), and more.  During the first segment of our two hour discussion, Brad focused on the space debris lawsuit. He explained the concept, the state liability issues in the Liability Convention, the idea of creating a superfund, and practical issues in doing this.  He suggested interested parties talk to space attorney Declan O’Donnell for more information.  Declan, a frequent Space Show guest, can be contacted using isdac.usis@gmail.com or 1-800-632-2828.  We fielded many listeners questions and phone calls about the lawsuit & superfund idea, some of which continued into the second segment.  Brad talked about large and small debris removal issues, mostly in LEO, and he suggested the use of Earth-based lasers as a debris removal tool.  We also talked about space salvage & the use of a bidding system for private companies to remove & possibly recycle space debris.  As we neared the end of the segment, Doug asked about Lunar ISRU, either excavating or using explosives on the Moon, and mining tools such as the slusher bucket.

Our second segment started off with Brad talking about space mining & the use of space resources. He then talked about his NIAC RAP project.  A caller asked him why the taxpayers should fund space debris cleanup per his lawsuit idea.  You will want to hear this discussion.  We got several emails and a call from Spike regarding debris and mining issues.  Next, Brad talked about commercial markets and market development for space projects.  He also talked about the potential of 3D printing and said many times that we are at a tipping point for commercial space development. He talked about space visions for space settlement and development.  Doug called back to ask about his space skydiving ideas using a rocket instead of a balloon.  At the program’s end, he told us about his venture, NewSpace Analytics, LLC.

Post your comments/questions on The Space Show Blog.  Brad can be reached @ newspaceanalytics@gmail.com.

Wayne White, Monday, 10-15-12 October 15, 2012

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Wayne White, Monday, 10-15-12

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Guest:  Wayne White.   Topics:  Space law, The Space Pioneer Act, property rights & commercial space development.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Wayne White back to the program to discuss his proposal for The Space Pioneer Act (SPA).  His Power Point presentation on this Act has been uploaded to The Space Show blog.  Later in the program we talked about his new business venture, SpaceBooster, LLC.  Background on SpaceBooster has also been uploaded to The Space Show blog.  Mr. White started our discussion with an overview on his proposed SPA and the five United Nations treaties that generally control the behavior in space by all nations, including the issues of property rights, space salvage, and space mining.  Mr. White spent a considerable amount of time on this discussion, the Outer Space Treaty (OST) and the Moon Treaty.  Our guest then introduced us to the idea of “innovative financing” which is a type of tax being proposed in the U.N.  This prompted quite the discussion. Next, our guest took us to salvage law, the Law of the Sea Treaty, and the space asset registration lists with both the Air Force and the U.N. Transferring ownership title of space based assets was a major part of this part of the discussion, including reciprocity with similar laws that might eventually be enacted in other countries.  Atty. Michael called in and we had a mini-legal debate on these issues, the treaties, enforcement, and alternatives.  Wayne then introduced us to the Deep Sea Hard Mineral Resources Act as being relevant to parts of The Space Pioneers Act.

In our second segment, Wayne talked about the history of many of our laws consistent with what he proposes in his Act.  He said that 2012 was the 150th anniversary of the Homestead Act and he connected the benefits of the Homestead Act with what might happen in space with the SPA.  He also talked about the 1872 General Mining Act which then led him to talking about Article 2 of the OST.  Our guest was calling for the “use it or lose it” regime.  Space mining was discussed in this segment along with jurisdictional issues, both internationally and domestically.  Later in the segment, Wayne talked about his new business, SpaceBooster LLC.  You can find out more by visiting their website, www.spacebooster.com though Wayne did say the website is still under construction and being developed.  Near the end of the program, we talked about space tourism liability, informed consent, insurance, and the meaning of the term “spaceflight participant” as opposed to being a passenger.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can reach Wayne White, Atty, through The Space Pioneer Act presentation on our blog.

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National Center For Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law, Friday, 10-12-12 October 13, 2012

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National Center For Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law, Friday, 10-12-12

With Chuck Dickey, John Wood, & Nick Welly

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Guests:  Chuck Dickey, John Wood, Nick Welly.  Topics:  We discuss the NationalCenter for Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law at Ole Miss.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed our three guests to the program to discuss the benefits and services provided to the U.S. along with the global space community by the National Center for Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law at the University of Mississippi School of Law as well as the quality legal education afforded the students pursuing an interest in space law. Visit their website for more information and for the publications and events mentioned during our discussion:  www.spacelaw.olemiss.edu. Our program started with an opening statement about the Center by each of our three guests.  As you will hear, John and Nick were students at the Center while Chuck has been a user of services provided by the Center as well as providing internship opportunities for the space law students.  Each guest told just how important the Center was and still is to them and their work.  Throughout our program, we talked about the Center Director, Joanne Irene Gabrynowicz who has been a guest on this program several times in the past.  In our first segment, we talked about international space law, U.S. space law, and other space law schools, comparing their programs to those offered by the National Center.  Specific issues such as remote sensing were highlighted as was commercial space, and telecommunications.  Published by the National Center, the Journal of Space Law was discussed, including the archival base as well as new issue subscriptions.  We talked about some of the articles published in it and the publication as an outstanding resource for space law and researchers in general.  Also mentioned was the Res Communis blog which is a free subscription providing important and timely information about aviation and space law issues.  Michael called in to talk about academics, treaty space law, international space law issues, and the contributions to the field from the Center.  He mentioned the upcoming 7th Galloway Symposium on Critical Issues in Space Law in Washington, DC, an event sponsored by the Center.  You can find out more about this event on the Center’s website.

In our short second segment, I asked about planetary protection and Article 9 of the OST based on our program earlier in the week with the director of NASA’s Planetary Protection office.  Our guests told us about their studies and work in this area and the relevance of this to the work of the Center.  Listener Sagi called in to talk about the Center and how it has benefitted him in his law practice & more. I also thanked him for his part in helping me set up this program with our three guests. Other topics during this segment included commercial space, commercial space companies, other space law programs in the U.S. and around the world, plus the European Code of Conduct for Outer Space Development.  Our three guests left us with meaningful closing comments which you definitely want to hear.

Please post your comments/questions about this discussion on The Space Show blog.

 

Dr. Catharine Conley, Monday, 10-8-12 October 9, 2012

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Dr. Catharine Conley, Monday, 10-8-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1868-BWB-2012-10-08.mp3

Guest: Dr. Catharine Conley. Topics: NASA & international planetary protection policy, methodology, & applications. You are invited to comment, ask questions, & discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, & any discussion must be relevant & applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Catharine Conley, NASA’s Planetary Protection Officer to the show for a comprehensive discussion on the subject of planetary protection. Planetary Protection is concerned with preventing the transfer of life between planetary bodies. For more information, visit the NASA Planetary Protection website at http://planetaryprotection.nasa.gov. Dr. Conley started our discussion with the definition of planetary protection, followed by a brief history dating back to the Apollo missions & planetary quarantine. Dr. Conley talked extensively about microbes & their survival. One of the points she made in response to a question was just how friendly the very cold temperatures of space could be for microbes.  On the other hand, radiation & the UV light are the enemies of microbial survival. We talked about a Mars sample return mission, what safety precautions would be taken, & then our guest was asked about using the ISS or the Moon as a quarantine lab to protect Earth. You will hear why this is not a good idea & later when asked about using a Bigelow habitat as a planetary protection lab since it would not be a government lab, our guest applied the same reasoning. Dr. Conley talked about the Viking missions as the most stringent ever for planetary protection. In terms of the methodology, we talked about how a mission is prepared for planetary protection, the probability of contamination, & I asked about cost-benefit analysis & the value of added costs & more time for planetary protection if the probability of contamination was so low. As you will hear, building in planetary protection starting with the concept stage is not a significant contributor to costs as its usually less than 1% of mission costs. We also talked about protocols for a NEO mission, the New Horizons mission on the way to Pluto, & missions to other planets & flyby missions. Next, our guest addressed issues with Mars Science Lab & Curiosity. Near the end of the first segment, we talked about international protocols, Article 9 of the OST, & the international COSPAR Planetary Protection Policy. Dr. Conley talked about international space agency adherence to the policy, country by country. Viruses & extra-terrestrial life possibilities brought us to the close of this segment.

In our second segment, Dr. Conley talked about the need for public awareness & educational outreach regarding planetary protection. Listeners asked about human flights to Mars, even one way flights.  Don’t miss this discussion. Did you know that it is very likely that humans will be restricted as to where they can go on Mars based on planetary protection policy? Or, by the time we send humans to Mars, we will have learned enough about Mars so that the human part regarding planetary protection will not prove to be much of a threat or risk. We talked about terreforming, what to do with a crew member death on Mars & being able to bury the body, then we talked about planetary protection policy among the NASA centers. Near the end, our guest was asked about the Phobos-Grunt mission & the Russian adherence to planetary protection policies. We inquired about Mars meteorites here on Earth & future missions being worked on with the planetary protection office including two Mars missions & the concept of a Europa mission.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. If you want to contact Dr. Conley, send your note to me & I will forward it to her.

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