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Frank Stratford, Friday, 5-17-13 May 18, 2013

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Frank Stratford, Friday, 5-17-13

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Guest:  Frank Stratford.  Topics:  Commercial space and space travel business models and revenue generation.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Frank Stratford back to the program to discuss various commercial space business models, including nonspace revenue generating goals and objectives.  Frank is the founder of MarsDrive so for more information, visit their website at www.marsdrive.com.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 42 minute program, Frank introduced us to the topic in his April 22, 2013 Space Review article, “The Business of Space Travel” (www.thespacereview.com/article/2281/1).  Frank talked about the need to generate nonspace revenue while building up the space company & space revenue R&D, activities, & markets.  He cited SpaceX, Bigelow, & Blue Origins as examples.  This led to a discussion about markets & financing, plus estimated costs for a human spaceflight mission to Mars. Frank compared the Mars One $6 billion estimate to his own estimate from his research to be $15 billion.  Our first caller asked if big name investors associated with these early commercial space ventures created an expectation of success and may in fact turn out to not have been such a good idea.  The detailed discussion included ROI, Stratolaunch and the revenue cycle gap from up front/early capital needs to revenue generation later on in the project’s cycle.  We talked about the nonprofit or charity model and Inspiration Mars came to mind.  I entered the discussion with comments about the need for repeat customers, a commercial space success to model, unrealistic assumptions, the lack of due diligence, and the difficulty in cost estimates, especially when the cost of getting to the destination (the Moon for example) is unknown at this time.  Surrey Space & Technology was also brought up as an example of a good business to model.

In the second segment, our called pointed out a Moon & Back interview with Robert Bigelow in which our caller said Bob said he went into the r/e business to fund his space activities.  Later, he email in additional comments suggesting that just because a space venture or idea is not funded does not mean it’s a bad idea or concept. He then advocated NASA support such as with COTS and Commercial Crew.  Public/private partnerships were advocated as a good way to move forward with space development and exploration.  Frank was then asked if a failed commercial project would hurt the industry.  He said it was possible.  Another question came in regarding paying attention to human factors and if solutions would be available at the same time as engineering technology, financing, and maybe markets.  Frank said only if work moved forward on human factor solutions at the same time and at a similar rate.  He also advocated his own organization working the problems.  Listen to his reasoning behind this.  As the program was nearing close, Frank was asked if Curiosity found proof of life in the past or now, even the most basic life, if it would make HSF to Mars more of a priority.  Don’t miss Frank’s response.  In summary, Frank talked about the need for continuous incremental development.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above.  If you want to email Frank Stratford, you can do so through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Space Show 2000th Program & 12th Anniversary Tribute, Tuesday, 5-7-13 May 8, 2013

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Space Show 2000th Program & 12th Anniversary Tribute, Tuesday, 5-7-13

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Guests:  Dr. John Jurist and Dr. Doug Plata served as co-hosts.  Topics: This program honored The Space Show for its more than 2,000 programs and its upcoming 12th anniversary.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

This Space Show program stands out among all Space Show programs as it honors The Space Show for having passed the 2,000 program mark plus the upcoming 12th anniversary of the program later this month.  Dr. Plata and Dr. John Jurist organized this program, much of which was a surprise to me.  Dr. Plata set up a special tribute email address, honordrspace@gmail.com and they both contacted guests and listeners for their comments on the program and what they believe The Space Show has meant to them, the space world, and to our space development efforts.  Our 1 hour 47 minute program was in two segments but this summary will not be divided by segment as topics overlapped one another. Dr. Jurist asked me lots of questions about how the program started, how it has changed over the years, how the audience has changed, and how I’ve changed.  After asking one or two questions and getting my long winded responses, Dr. Plata read some great emails sent in by guests and listeners.  This was the format for the entire program.  Honestly, I was really surprised by the comments, the statements of support and meaning for The Space Show and by those of you that took time from your busy schedules to say a few words about the program.  It was a very humbling experience for me and I am glad it was an audio only program rather a webinar as I was really moved by the outpouring of support for the program and me.  Doug did not have time to read all the emails that came in but we intend to post them to the blog and will continue posting them to the blog as they come in.  Please use the special email address above but for those of you that use the regular program address, I will copy and post them to the blog as well.  John asked lots of questions about the economic impact on space, both here and around the world, about private space, NASA, human spaceflight, and such.  I spoke about public/private partnerships, the need, in my opinion, for American leadership in science and space, and why.  We also took phone calls from listeners wanting to comment on this special Space Show program.  As our program was drawing to a close, John asked me about library quality archives for research with a truly searchable, interactive academic data base.  We talked about this, what it might take to do it given the number and average length of Space Show programs.  If any of you have actual library, research and multimedia academic catalog search experience, we would like to hear from you to find out about creating a truly researchable, academic Space Show catalog/library.  If you have that type of specialized experience, please contact me using drspace@thespaceshow.com.  Perhaps we will create a funding mechanism to create the library for our archived programs and new programs coming up.

We welcome your comments/questions and more so post them on The Space Show blog.  I look forward to many more years with The Space Show, to continuing to provide a civil and credible forum for the discussion of all perspectives and points of view, and to give a voice to many of you that have much to say but are without a microphone. This program was number 2,004 and as I said on the air, the program would not exist without you the listeners and with you the guests who so freely give of your time to help us all learn more about space, science, and all that we talk about and share on The Space Show.  Thank you very much and as I said on the show and as many of you said as well, the next 2,000 shows will be even more valuable to us all than the first 2,000!  The Space Show only exists because of you the listeners and you the guests.  I never lose sight of that.  I never will.

Tribute emails are posted here:  Space Show Tribute Emails

Marcia Smith, Friday, 4-12-13 April 12, 2013

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Marcia Smith, Friday, 4-12-13

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Guest:  Marcia Smith.  Topics:  NASA FY 2013 and 2014 budget and budget issues.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.  We welcomed back Marcia Smith of SpacePolicyOnline to guide us through important NASA FY 2013 and FY 2014 budget issues.  For more information and the latest developments on current space policy and budget issues, check www.spacepolicyonline.com on a regular basis.

Our program started with a tribute to Cosmonauts Day, a celebration of Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin becoming the first man in space on April 12, 1961 aboard Vostok 1.  We then switched over to what has to be the most confusing and dysfunctional budget process ever, the NASA FY 2013 and 2014 budgets.  Ms. Smith guided us through the confusion which at times was no easy task.  We talked about the sequester cuts as well as “revisions” which adjust budget numbers at the end of a bill.  All in all, it is thought that NASA will face around a 7% cut for 2013 but this is still an unknown though it might be clarified on May 10 as that is when NASA & other government agencies submit their yearly operating plan to Congress.  During this first segment of our 1 hour 22 minute discussion, we also talked about the Budget Control Act of 2011 and its importance to NASA and the recently announced NASA Asteroid Retrieval Initiative.  In fact, our guest had much to say about this latest NASA program given it was announced in advance of NASA having the technology to be able to do the mission in the first place.  This subject came up multiple times in both segments of today’s program.  Josh asked about the NASA authorization expiring this year and if a new one would be put in its place.  Ms. Smith explained the authorization which is expiring at the end of FY 2013, making it clear what parts expire and what parts continue as law.  We then talked about both congressional authorizations and appropriations.  Returning to the newly announced NASA asteroid mission, Marcia broke down the estimated initial $105 million cost into specific categories.  It will be interesting to see how this plan is dealt with by OMB and Congress.  Marcia fielded questions about public/private partnerships & how they might do given our budget issues.  We also talked about commercial crew budgets for FY 2013 and the potential 7% cut which our guest said was not yet certain.  Also discussed was the funding for SLS, Orion and ISS.  Operating programs such as Curiosity on Mars were discussed but they work with specific program commitments and then go through a review process a few years later for any extensions.

In our second segment, Ben asked about the 2013 continuing resolution process which Marcia explained.  Don’t miss this discussion as you will hear about possible big decreases in the CR for the second half of this fiscal year.  A listener sent in a note asking our guest about the budget impact on DOD programs including space programs and NOAA.  This brought me to asking our guest about the state of the NASA budget this year as compared to previous years.  You might be surprised by what our guest said in response to my question.  The new NASA asteroid mission came up again, this time with caller Michael who offered us interesting points of view about NASA and this mission.  Part of this discussion focused on our thinking that NASA had not yet made a compelling case for the asteroid mission or the study initiative.  As the program ended, we talked about having public access to the NASA operating plan that will be submitted to congress on May 10.  In conclusion, we wait for May 10th and “crystal clear clarity” to a very confusing and dysfunction process for NASA and other agencies for FY 2013 and the proposed FY 2014 budget.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can email Ms. Smith through www.spacepolicyonline.com or me using drspace@thespaceshow.com as I will forward your note.

Dr. Philip Metzger, Monday, 4-8-13 April 9, 2013

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Dr. Philip Metzger, Monday, 4-8-13

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Guest:  Dr. Philip Metzger.  Topics: Starting industry in space for the coming space resource revolution re space mining robotics & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Dr. Philip Metzger to the program to discuss the topic of a coming space resource revolution because of the prospects for a rapid advancement of robotic industry in space.  Please visit his website at www.philipmetzger.com. During our first segment of this two hour five minute program, Dr. Metzger explained the need for space resource usage as a result of a growing Earth population, increasing energy demands, industrialization & an overall feeling of being “squeezed” regarding future demand and resource usage.  From this point, he took us through the technologies, advancements and some visionary plans for setting up a commercial industry in space for space mining robotics and ISRU technologies which are available today.  Dr. Metzger was clear in telling us that the NASA charter was about exploration, not starting up space industry.  We then talked about the ways that industry can access the advance technology created by the NASA exploration and science programs.  Our guest provided us with several robotic examples, including the possibility of making heat shields from Phobos materials which could go a long way toward making a Mars mission affordable.  We talked about technology readiness levels, TRL 1-9.  Phil explained what the various levels meant & how the technology development is passed on to the next development group as the level advances.  I asked our guest to describe a typical day in his lab.  Starting at 6:45AM, Dr. Metzger described his duties and functions and those of the rest of the lab workers.  As you will hear, it’s a mixture of administrative, design, computer work, testing, retesting, & equipment manufacturing.  3D Printing was discussed in some detail and was actually a discussion topic throughout the entire program.  We talked about our being able to repair robotics as compared to building the robotics to avoid needing repair.  Listener Mike sent in an email to inquire about 3D printing, teleoperated & AI robotics for self sustaining lunar/asteroid economies. He also wanted to know how human space exploration fit into the robotic model.  Phil had much to say in response to Mike so don’t miss this discussion. Near the end of this segment, we talked about robotics & the communications time delay, even for the Moon, and what this means for HSF & robotic development. Another concept introduced to us was that of self-sustaining robots that do not need to continue being launched to their destination! Near the end of this segment, Phil introduced us to Lizard Scale Robotics & the different categories going up the scale of robotic development to the top level human scale.

In our second segment, Doug called in from S. California to inquire about starting an affordable industry, financing, and the use of lunar propellant ice.  This took us to a discussion of setting up profitable ventures for space industry development. Phil talked about a new spaceport concept starting with spaceports here on the ground, then in LEO, on the Moon, & then moving out to Phobos.  For a profitable venture, he did say the time line was still too long for capital investment so we discussed public/private partnerships. Also in this segment, we talked hardware designs, the need to start with low technology, even clumsy robots and evolve upward, but avoiding launches & most everything being made in space. We talked about launch capabilities, heavy lift, & getting a specific mass to where it needed to go.  Closing the business case came up & our guest talked about the old “impoverished view” as compared to a new, expanded, multi-potential global view. Don’t miss this discussion.  Mike sent in another note about what it might mean to be second & the value of the exponential potential.  Phil took us through this discussion which made it crystal clear why maintaining our space leadership or being part of it on an international partnership level was so important for our future.  In this context, Dr. Metzger talked about widespread participation in space development for multiple co-owners.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can reach Dr. Phil Metzger through his website or me using drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Chris Carberry, Sunday, 4-7-13 April 8, 2013

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Chris Carberry, Sunday, 4-7-13

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Guest:  Chris Carberry.  Topics:  Exploremars.org and their upcoming Humans2Mars Summit, the Mars Generation Opinion Poll.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

In the first segment of this 1 hour 46 minute program, we welcomed back Chris Carberry, Executive Director of Explore Mars (www.exploremars.org) to discuss their upcoming Humans 2 Mars Summit (H2M) from May 6-8 at GWU in Washington, DC (see http://h2m.exploremars.org).  Chris talked about the purpose of this conference, the logistics, registration, and the speakers.  We also went into some detail regarding the panels, their topics, and panel members, all of which are detailed on the H2M website.  We specifically talked about Inspiration Mars in both segments, risk taking, government regulation, and the level of the public’s interest in human spaceflight missions to Mars.  Financing HSF missions to Mars was another topic near the end of the first segment.

In the second segment, we focused on the Mars Generation Opinion Poll which can be found at www.exploremars.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mars-Generation-Survey-full-report-March-7-2013.pdf.  Here, we went over several of the survey questions and the results, including questions pertaining to human spaceflight and Mars in light of our current budget constraints, why go to Mars in the first place, should we increase NASA’s budget to at least 1% of the federal budget, what are the biggest barriers to sending crews to Mars, the value of returning to the Moon as compared to going to Mars, and more.  I urge all of you to check out the opinion poll as it had some interesting and surprising results, at least from my perspective.  Later in this segment, a listener asked Chris about both the Mars One mission and the Inspiration Mars flyby mission.  Don’t miss what Chris had to say about both proposed missions.  Another listener asked if Explore Mars thought human spaceflight to Mars was near term, hence the H2M Summit.  Don’t miss what Chris said in response to this question and his idea of a time line for a human mission to Mars.  We also talked about the public’s view that any HSF Mars Mission would involve the public sector, preferably with the private sector.  We concluded our discussion by again referencing the upcoming Humans 2 Mars Summit.

If you have any questions or comments, please post them on The Space Show blog.  You can contact Chris Carberry or get more information about the upcoming conference by visiting the Explore Mars website.

Robert Sackheim, Monday, 4-1-13 April 2, 2013

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Robert Sackheim, Monday, 4-1-13

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Guest:  Robert (Bob) Sackheim.  Topics:  Commercial space, propulsion, U.S. space policy & more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Robert Sackheim to the program to discuss NASA, commercial space, the current state of rocket propulsion and advancements in the field.  During our first segment of this 1 hour 47 minute discussion, Mr. Sackheim talked about his background and experience at TRW, NASA MSFC, and his current consulting.  I asked him several questions about the current state of rocket propulsion. Bob had much to say about this, focusing on chemical rocket propulsion, satellite propulsion, electric propulsion, and the need for nuclear propulsion.  He talked about booster rockets, various rocket stages and their propulsion, rocket engines, and even SRBs.  Several questions came in asking him if we had the current technology for HSF to Mars or even the Inspiration Mars flyby mission talked about so much in the recent press.  Listeners wanted to know if our current levels of propulsion were up to the task.  After a rather thorough propulsion discussions, Bob turned to commercial space, lowering total space mission costs, regulatory policy, and commercial spaceports.  He also talked about budget issues and raised the question a few times as to why ten NASA centers were needed given their often overlapping, competitive, and duplicate work.

In our second segment, commercial space took the lead with a discussion on public/private partnerships & the belief that Americans can do anything if we set our mind to it, including space travel.  Of course here the problem as we know lies in leadership and today it appears that leadership in space & other areas is sparse at best.   Bob then focused on geo satellites and the increasing development and capabilities applicable to cubesats.  HSF came up for discussion as did the robotic missions. You might be surprised by what our guest had to say about HSF.  Other issues in this segment included the lunar space elevator, the congressional and NASA track record in canceling ongoing projects & taking lessons from history, SSP, & ways to reform & move NASA forward.  Bob spoke about evolving toward the old NACA model.  I asked about the impact of space advocacy from his perspective given his leadership experience and past positions in leading organizations and projects.  We also asked him about space tourism and hybrid rocket engines. He had much to say about hybrids, don’t miss the discussion.  Bob talked about the Falcon rockets, testing including static fire tests, and SRBs as related to the Constellation project and safety.  Toward the end, our guest was asked about NewSpace, fuel depots, & cryo transfer.  For closing comments, he talked about commercial space being the way to go & the path to our space future.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. You can reach Mr. Sackheim through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Friday, 3-8-13 March 9, 2013

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Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Friday, 3-8-13

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Guest:  Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.  Topics:  Dr. Tyson’s book, “Space Chronicles: Facing The Ultimate Frontier,” delusional thinking, space exploration, space economic power.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed backed Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson to this 60 minute discussion about the new release of the paperback version of his current book, “Space Chronicles: Facing The Ultimate Frontier.”  If you buy the book with this Amazon link, Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show/OGLF:  http://www.amazon.com/Space-Chronicles-Facing-Ultimate-Frontier/dp/0393343626/ref=onegiantlea20.  The book is a collection of all of Dr. Tyson’s thoughts about the past, present, and future in space.  It consists of essays, tweets, op-eds and more, plus an appendix with important documents such as the original agreement creating NASA in the late 1950s.  Neil said that some of the points he made in the book were that space was expensive and that we do things in space for one of two reasons: 1.  As a result of military threat or war; 2: In support of economic growth of the country.  He then supported his argument with historical facts, making the point that we do not explore for the sake of exploring, that exploration is not in our DNA, that we do not go into space to inspire future generations of kids, and then he even mentioned that the famous JFK Rice University speech which he said was a lie in that weeks before in a speech before Congress, President Kennedy put forth the real reason we were going to the Moon which was to show the world a path of freedom over tyranny.  Dr. Tyson documents this on p. 192 of his book by saying that “Kennedy did adopt a military posture in his speech to Congress.”  Neil stressed this point during our discussion in support of the above reasons for developing.  More about this speech can be found at www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-asks-congress-to-support-the-space-program.  The actual text of the speech can be seen at www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/xzw1gaeeTES6khED14P1Iw.aspx.  Dr. Tyson also talked about the problem of delusional thinking among space enthusiasts, a theme we went back to several times during our discussion.  Another point he made was about the importance of innovation and having a culture of innovation with space goals supporting the economic growth of an innovative nation.  Kelly asked a question about the best way to increase NASAs budget in bipartisan support of space for STEM, inspiration, spin-offs, etc.  Our guest said all of the reasons cited in Kelly’s question were irrelevant.  Don’t miss what he said.  We also talked about the need for infrastructure and Neil said that governments have to pave the way for the frontier and the private companies follow and economically develop it.  He said the commercial companies do not and will not be able to open the space frontier with the needed infrastructure.  I then depicted government as sort of an advance man in space with the privates being able to capitalize that infrastructure development for profit & national wealth. A listener asked about China, a space race, and a possible space war.  Dr. Tyson also said that we should have launch vehicles that go everywhere for research and innovative reasons and we needed to shift our culture to seeing space as a long term national investment for creating wealth for the nation, far beyond the term of our elected officials.  He talked about SpaceX and the need for a rich and fertile collaboration between government and the commercial companies regarding space.  I asked our guest about testifying before Congress. You will want to hear what he had to say about that based on his experiences in do so.  We talked about space and grass roots movements. He talked about GDP economic growth during the Apollo period and then what happened each decade after that through the current period.  Jim sent in a question pointing out possible contradictions in his comments & suggested fuel depots as a way to minimize the quantity of rockets and launches. Dr Tyson said he was hardware agnostic and that in developing infrastructure and paving the way for the privates in space, fuel depots might very well be part of infrastructure but that government would be doing them, especially early on.  Later, Dr. Tyson talked about our system being a political system and that it was not going to change.  He used this as one of the examples of delusional thinking given many enthusiasts who don’t accept this reality & believe they can bypass or work around the political nature of our government and systems.  Near the end of our discussion, he was asked about the Inspire Mars mission which he said was probably a stunt but that it might serve the purpose of showing the government that lots of people are interested in an HSF to Mars.  Another listener wanted to know if the Inspire Mars mission turned out bad, would it derail human spaceflight.  He did not think it would do that given other space accidents with the loss of crew.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog and I will call them to the attention of our guest.

Dr. George Robinson, Tuesday, 2-26-13 February 27, 2013

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Dr. George Robinson, Tuesday, 2-26-13

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Guest: Dr. George Robinson.  Topics:  Human species survival via space habitation BLEO.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed back Dr. George Robinson to the show to discuss the imperative of human space development and the need to migrate to space and BLEO for human species survival.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 55 minute program, Dr. Robinson put forth the basics supporting human species survival through space migration and permanent space habitation.  During this initial segment, he introduced us to many concepts and components that support space migration.  For example, we talked about the need for the creation of a unique private sector, specifically a cyber sovereign company or venture.  Our guest also talked about these issues from the point of view of his being an evolutionary biologist with a background in biology and chemistry and serving as an evolutionary biologist throughout his legal, teaching, consulting and business career.  Listeners asked our guest about space settlement as opposed to space migration and George explained the difference.  Our guest also talked about species extinction and said humans were no exception to the threat of species extinction which is why species survival has become an important issue, one even considered by NASA, DARPA, and other national and international government agencies.  Dr. Robinson introduced us to the Space Propulsion Synergy Team (SPST) and their October 2012 White Paper, “The Justification for Human Space Development and Habitation Beyond Low Earth Orbit: An Invitation for an Open National and Global Dialogue.”  You can download this paper at http://www.eaglehill.us/subscriberSPAEVO/pdfs-policy-series/SPAEVO-policy-1.pdf.  George supports the paper but does not think NASA is in a position to do this and in fact supports replacing NASA with a more nationally directed international space agency working toward species survival and space migration.  The role of those not migrating to space was also discussed as they too have an important part to play in species survival.  As this segment ended, George got a question about the newly proposed human Mars 501 day orbital loop flight.  George suggested better options to support species survival & migration.

In our second segment, Dr. Robinson went into more detail about a cyber sovereign entity and the role of the private sector, plus the need for a unique global private sector. He further developed the role of the population in species survival, specifically for those not migrating to space.  He received questions about current leadership and leadership challenges both here and around the world.  We talked about public perception, species survival and space migration as hard sell issues to the public and our leaders.  The need to have risk capital was discussed.  In the context of risk capital, we talked about U.S. & global economic problems & the risk of excessive government regulation.  As our program was ending, Dr. Robinson and I talked about the white paper recommendation for a national and global dialogue regarding these issues.

If you have comments/questions, post them on The Space Show blog.  If you want to contact Dr. Robinson or the SPST or the Journal of Space & Evolution, you can do so through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Jim Keravala, Shackleton Energy Co., Friday, 12-14-12 December 15, 2012

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Jim Keravala, Shackleton Energy Co., Friday, 12-14-12

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Guest:  Jim Keravala.  Topics:  Shackleton Energy’s cislunar economic development plans.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Jim Keravala to the program to talk with us about the Cislunar development plans for Shackleton Energy.  To learn more, visit their website at www.shackletonenergy.com. Jim started our discussion with an overview of Shackleton Energy and their Cislunar development plan.  As you will hear throughout our discussion, the plan involves the propellant depots near the ISS and in other locations, water ice development at the lunar north and south pole, the use of insitu resources and eventually Shackleton industrial astronauts.  Our guest spent most of the first segment describing the plan, the various stages of development, the use of robotic technology leading up to human spaceflight and benefit sharing ideas.  He talked about being able to solve or at least significantly contribute to solutions to our global energy usage problems which he said would be around 30 terawatt hours(TWh).  He talked about the viability of SSP at that point based on the cislunar Shackleton Energy development program. Jim also mentioned the risk of reaching the Kessler limits regarding space debris.  Ben sent in an email asking Jim for his thoughts on benefit sharing, a subject put forth on The Space Show by recent guest Dr. Edythe Weeks.  Jim was supportive of benefit sharing through technology exchanges and transfers as well as in helping under developed nations build an industry to allow them to compete and have a presence in the expanding space industry.  He cited his work with Surrey Satellite Company and their African space development program as an example, plus he talked about sharing to make sure everyone benefitted from space development which could significantly improve life in these countries.  We talked about government corruption problems and ITAR as issues that might get in the way of benefit sharing, but Jim was steadfast in the need to reach out to third world countries to engage them in space development for the commercial and industrial benefits.
     In our second segment, Doug called to ask about transitioning from telerobotic missions to human missions.  Here, Jim did a comprehensive explanation of the different phases of their development plan leading up to industrial astronauts in cislunar space. He talked about trades with humans based at EML1 as compared to the lunar surface regarding repair and maintenance missions of lunar surface hardware.  Charles wanted to know about their choice of launch vehicles.  Jim also got questions about their timeline and capital acquisition plans.  Randy wanted to know if they would be able to meet the 2020 timeline referenced in their website video.  Near the end, Jim got questions about the requirements for becoming an industrial astronaut.  In summary, Jim talked about their ambitious project, TRLs, and the importance of the project from many different perspectives.
      Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. If you want to email Jim Keravala, you can do so through me.

Dr. Michael Simpson & Langdon Morris, Sunday, 12-9-12 December 10, 2012

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Dr. Michael Simpson & Langdon Morris, Sunday, 12-9-12

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Guests:  Dr. Michael Simpson, Langdon Morris.  Topics:  International space cooperation & the new ATWG book, “International Cooperation For The Development of Space.” Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, http://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Dr. Michael Simpson and Langdon Morris to the program to discuss the new & important book, “International Cooperation For The Development of Space.” The book is available on Amazon.com at www.amazon.com/International-Cooperation-Development-Space-1/dp/1478186232/ref=onegiantlea20 and via Kindle @ www.amazon.com/International-Cooperation-Development-Technology-ebook/dp/B00941YBAG/ref=onegiantlea20. If you purchase this book through Amazon, a donation will be made to The Space Show/OGLF.  As you will hear me say throughout our program, this book helps make a very strong case, especially to those outside the space community, for why space development is so important.  I strongly urge you to read this book and to share it with as many as possible.  As we started our discussion, Langdon Morris provided us with an overview of the book, including the purpose behind it, and the global mix of authors and viewpoints supporting international cooperative space development.  We talked with Dr. Simpson about his Chapter 2:  “Broadening The Base: Cooperation As A Springboard For New Participants In the Space Sector.”  We learned about new countries being involved in space development, their requirements for getting involved in space which include economic growth, and the niche specialty areas being pursued by these new players.  I asked about the absence of human spaceflight in the international cooperation discussion.  This prompted a most interesting exchange with our guests on the subject, one you do not want to miss.  Our guests provided us with great examples of real benefits flowing from international cooperative space development, including emergency services for disasters such as Katrina.  We took listener calls suggesting international financial participation in cooperative space projects might make high ticket items more plausible such as SLS or a Mars mission.  There was general agreement on this theory but as our guest pointed out, there still needs to be international agreement on the project and its management.  Another benefit of international cooperation points to project stability over time.
      In our second segment, Doug called in to ask about a two track system consisting of a public sector track and a second track for public/private partnerships.  Our guests suggested the public/private direction would be more viable. Don’t miss their explanation for this approach.  We talked about competition as compared to international cooperation. Our guests were also asked about the impact of ITAR on U.S. international cooperation.  We talked about the Chinese space program and our guests were asked about the NewSpace segment.
      Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can email our guests through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.
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