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Open Lines, Tuesday, 1-15-13 January 16, 2013

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Open Lines, Tuesday, 1-15-13


Guest:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  This was a wide ranging discussion on many space topics & related issues.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.  We talked about many topics and issues on this 2 hour 40 minute program.  In the first segment, ITAR reform was discussed and Andrew of the Tea Party In Space in his discussion also advocated for the resumption of manufacturing Plutonium 238. We got caught off but he called back in the second segment.  Charles called to advocate for small markets & an incremental approach.  He continues working on Microlaunchers.  John from Atlanta called to talk about strange lights over Detroit.  We had a good time talking about the mysterious Detroit sightings which you can easily see pictures of & find out more if interested with a very simple Google search.  John also wanted to talk about our recent advanced propulsion program about warp drive and interstellar physics.  If you have not heard that program from Jan. 4, 2013, I strongly recommend you do listen to it.  Space budget, economic and sequestration issues came up in this segment as well. We also talked about the bankruptcy sale of special battery company A123 to China and the fact that this includes sensitive military technology.  Listeners expressed a variety of opinions about this matter.  Perri provided us with this Forbes story on the matter:  www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/12/12/china-wins-u-s-loses-in-a123-bankruptcy.  I also read a PR statement from a group opposing the sale to China.

     In our longer second segment, Andrew called back and we talked about economic issues in congress, SLS, Golden Spike, and building relationships with staffers in congress to better advocate for space.  Tim called from Huntsville to tell us about the absurd PETA, Elon Musk and vegetarian issue arising about the food people will eat on Mars. You can read about it at these locations:  http://rt.com/usa/news/space-mars-musk-people-595 and http://betabeat.com/2013/01/elon-musk-would-like-you-to-know-i-am-not-the-kale-eating-overlord-of-mars.  Based on this story, we got several listener comments on PETA, Martian food, and space nutrition.  In fact Doug called to say that he thought early Mars missions would likely be vegetarian just for mass and technical reasons.  Our last caller was Perri who wanted to talk about the need to refurbish and bring back to life the excellent Colorado teaching planetarium, the Robert H. Johnson Planetarium in Jefferson County.  Perri provided us with lots of good information on this planetarium and its refurbishment needs.  She also talked about food consolidation problems in the U.S. and globally, plus a host of other matters, including the plutonium issue which was mentioned in the first segment.  Here, she told us about the Rocky Flats Cold War Museum based on The Rocky Flats Nuclear Plant.  The museum is also in Jefferson County, CO. For more information, visit www.rockyflatscoldwarmuseum.org.  If you want to connect with Perri about the planetarium or any of the other issues she mentioned, you can email her through me.

     You can also email all our callers through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.  Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.


1. Jim Davis - January 23, 2013

The issue was raised about whether the “Open Lines” shows should continue. I think that they should continue…but in no circumstance should they last 2 hours and 40 minutes like this one did. An hour and a half should be normal with perhaps an extension to 2 hours in some unusual cases (like Burt Rutan calls the show).

Dr. Livingston also needs to exercise some discipline over his callers. The last caller talked almost uninterrupted for a half hour or more. The caller showed little inclination to engage in conversation; she was more interested in telling all and sundry what she felt was wrong with the world at tedious length. Callers shouldn’t be allowed to hijack a show like this. If Dr. Livingston wants to give her this kind of forum then invite her on as a guest.

I hope this doesn’t come off as too critical. I think Dr. Livingston does a fine job overall but I think he is too deferential to callers. The best calls are the ones where there is a conversation going on…one person speaks for 15 to 30 seconds and then the other guy speaks for 15 to 30 seconds. When no new points are being made, end the call.

The Space Show - January 23, 2013

Jim, points well taken. In the past, I have made serious attempts to limit callers to one question or comments, maybe two at most. Unfortunately, it has not worked. The only way I can make that work is to just hang up on the caller and I have not done that but I concur with everything you have said and will focus in on it. I do need more discipline or sure with the callers. That said, I also assume that listeners will fast forward through what they do not want to hear or just disconnect as would have been a choice with the last caller you mentioned for this particular show. You could have decided to end listening to the show rather than stay with the last caller. I fully trust the listeners to exercise discernment in what they hear on The Space Show which is why I am very comfortable with guests and callers saying what is on their mind, even if it is far out or way off topic. I don’t run and manage The Space Show by controlling comments, questions, etc. I have great trust in the audience to use their own good and wise judgment. But again, I agree with what you have said, will make announcements during the next OL show about this and also with callers in general. For example, last night’s callers also took up significant guest time and I should not have permitted that.



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3. The Space Show - January 17, 2013

Jackie, make it either milk chocolate or white chocolate and I’ll sign up myself for the trip. Even PETA could not complain about that, or could they?


4. jackiekingon - January 17, 2013

Hi David, Based on the following quote from your write-up- “Based on this story, we got several listener comments on PETA, Martian food, and space nutrition. In fact Doug called to say that he thought early Mars missions would likely be vegetarian just for mass and technical reasons.” Future Headline: Chocolate first food to be consumed on Mars….Hey it’s vegetarian! Best wishes, Jackie Kingon

DougSpace - January 21, 2013

After the show I was thinking of a funny scenario where David and I are traving to Mars in separate inflatables. In mine, I’m growing soy beans and processing it into soy milk (fine with me). But David needs his real milk and so has a cow in his inflatable. After a while, the “methane” levels get too high in his habitat and he begs me to let him transfer into mine. No problem. But he’ll have to hand over his chocolate supplies as part of the deal. I like how this scenario is working out!

The Space Show - January 21, 2013

Doug, you got this big time wrong. First, I am not a big milk drinker so no cow on board for milk. However, multiple cows on board for T-Bones and Porterhouse make lots of sense if they are “pre-butchred” or someone is with me to do the deed as I am not butchering a cow no matter what. As for the methane, you blew it again. We have on our ship, auxiliary methane propulsion engines so not only do we to Mars long before you, we are healthier and can actually function on Mars, and we are totally and content as our cows were all given us as a promotion by Carnation (yes, I know a dairy cow is not the same as a beef cow but cut us some slack here, OK)? Having the methane propulsion on board is a big deal for our totally GREEN Martian spaceship. That said, we do not have the blessing of PETA, that’s for sure. Too bad I probably won’t be around to go to Mars and maybe I won’t be around to see Doug or anyone else go to Mars. So you Mars guys and gals, get on the stick and go make it happen. Even if its one way. As long as you survive long enough to call home so we know there were or are human footsteps on Mars, that will do it for me.

DougSpace - January 27, 2013

A biofueled rocket engine…That’s brilliant!

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