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Dr. Robert Zubrin, Thursday, 3-13-14 March 14, 2014

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Dr. Robert Zubrin, Thursday, 3-13-14


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Guest:  Dr. Robert (Bob) Zubrin.  Topics:  Everything Mars, Mars Society Arctic 365 and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Zubrin back to the show for this 90 minute discussion about everything Mars and the Mars Society.  Dr. Zubrin opened up by telling us about the Mars Artic 365 program (http://ma365.marssociety.org) and their fund raising efforts through Indiegogo and other programs (www.indiegogo.com/projects/ma365-a-one-year-mars-simulation-in-the-canadian-arctic).  Throughout the entire program, Dr. Zubrin received questions/comments about Arctic 365.  He was asked about telepresence and having the sim in a more populated place than the arctic.  Bob dismissed telepresence as not being nearly as effective as having humans work “on Mars” & he stressed the importance of simulating a real Mars working mission.  Bob went over the logistics and scheduling for this first crew for Arctic 365, plus remaining opportunities and ways for people to participate in the program as the crew selection process is closed.  We talked about the costs and crew skill sets, plus Mars Society fund raising efforts for this program.  Jack emailed about radiation on Mars and as before, Bob suggested it was not as big a risk as many claim.  He was also asked about teaming up with Mars One on Arctic 365 program.  Bob said he was open to doing things with Mars One and suggested Arctic 365 would be a perfect training program those who train the Mars One crews.  Later, Bob was asked about doing a completely private mission to Mars.  Bob used this as a spring board to describing the kind of policy & political leadership in government and NASA, both of which he said absent for now.  He even proposed some broad based financing suggestions.  Doug called wanting to know his thoughts on Phobos & Deimos.  Bob used this as an opportunity to support a flyby mission. He was not that supportive of visiting the Marian moons.  Don’t miss his explanation for his position.  As the segment was ending, I asked him about life on Mars.  Bob thinks there probably is life on Mars, don’t miss what he had to say about this.

In the second segment, Steve asked Bob about the Delta V needed for going to the Moon as compared to Mars.  He talked about the Moon being easier than Mars.  Again, don’t miss all of Bob’s response to Steve’s question/comment.  NASA and political leadership were more fully discussed in this segment, then he was asked about the SLS. Here, Bob had a lot to say. While critical of SLS, he would not cancel it.  Again, don’t miss his comments on this topic.  He talked about SpaceX & Falcon 9, heavy lift in general, crew size on a Mars mission, and finally possible threats from the Chinese space program.  Toward the end he talked about electric propulsion for slow cargo missions, then I asked him for his thoughts on the Mars cycler system.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can email Dr. Zubrin through me.



1. Andy Hill - March 21, 2014

I disagree with Dr Zubrin on by-passing the moon on the way to Mars and think that the moon warrants exploration and possible settlement in its own right. This could be done on a much faster timescale than for Mars and is much more open to international cooperation as other countries have fewer capabilities than the US.

Doing tele-robotic work on the moon would be good practice to performing the same on Mars from one of its moons. We also have practice with landing the large payloads necessary and the moon can serve as a test bed.

There are many more reasons to go to the moon first but I think that the main reason for not going to Mars directly is that it is so hard that people can always find excuses to delay it which gets us into a ever repeating loop of inactivity, we need to do exploration to prove it can be done and the moon is the logical place for this.

I did agree with Dr Zubrin about NASA, they need to achieve something to prove that they are worth investing in. I don’t think they have the luxury of the timescales of getting to Mars would need with their current budgets to show this.

Still an interesting program and whether or not you agree with him Dr Zubrin is always worth listening to. He is a passionate speaker for his own vision and puts a lot of effort into pushing it forward.

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3. Lars - March 16, 2014

A good show, but the way Dr. Zubrin recounts the Obama transition and CxP cancellation is flawed at best. And if he is so wrong on that aspect, one starts to wonder what other topic he is equally misleading about.

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