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Open Lines, Sunday, 4-13-14 April 14, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 4-13-14


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Guest:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston. Topics: Russian lunar program, UFOs, SpaceX & reusability, NASA.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Today’s Open Lines discussion took place over a few segments and for about 1 hour 45 minutes.  Our Open Lines discussion started with my providing scheduling announcements as there will be no live shows the week of April 21 due to  medical issues I need to address.  Rather than play specific OLDIE programs which I usually do in the absence of a live show, I suggested that listeners go through the archives and listen to an archived show or two of their choice, compare what you heard on the archived show to similar issues in space today, then call our next special Open Lines show which will probably be Sunday, April 27 and share your thoughts and perspectives with us.  For this Open Lines program,  I also suggested a few discussion topics including Russia’s Putin saying “We are coming to the Moon FOREVER” as reported in the MailOnline on April 11, 2014.  You can read the article I discussed on the show at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2602291/We-coming-Moon-FOREVER-Russia-sets-plans-conquer-colonise-space-including-permanent-manned-moon-base.html.  It reported Russia wanted to go to the Moon, colonize it and stay there as Russia was viewing the Moon as its own permanent colony along with similar colonies it wants to establish on Mars and asteroids.  Putin also mentioned Russia was in a race to the Moon.  Next, we fielded a few email listener questions, then John from Ft. Worth called the program to discuss an H2 documentary he saw on UFOs, “I know What I Saw.”  John talked about the documentary and other items for most of the balance of our first segment. His discussion topics included various presidential statements to Air Force and other official statements to noted UFO/ET incidents that have been reported around the world. While this is not a usual Space Show topic, it does come up from time to time.  I’ve not seen the documentary John referenced but if you want to see it, do a Google search for “I Know What I Saw” and you will find it on YouTube.  I’ll probably watch it at some point but in reading the comments about it, the reviews are definitely mixed. John also talked about the upcoming SpaceX Falcon 9 launch and its reusability plans. He asked some thoughtful technical questions about reusability but I was unable to answer them. I was hoping a listener would call in with answers as I know many who listen to The Space Show follow the Falcon 9 and reusability in great detail but they did not call in today. For those of you listening on archives, if you would like to respond to John’s comments and questions, please do so on The Space Show blog.

In our second segment, Jan emailed in asking if I would consider working with substitute hosts when I was not available for the show, similar to what happens on other talk shows when the host is not available.  In general, I am open to that but running The Space Show is very equipment intensive and I use a home studio so as I told Jan, I don’t have a clue how to work with substitute or guest hosts from the logistical point of view. I told her I was open to suggestions which I am.  Earlier, I read a PR piece about the total lunar eclipse which should be seen in the Southwest the night of the 14th and the early morning of the 15th.  Anthony sent in a note correcting the times I put out as I read the PR announcement wrong.  If anyone sees it, let us know what you thought of it on the next Open Lines show.  John from Ft. Worth called back in this segment to talk about possibilities for the Russian lunar program mentioned in the article I brought up in the first segment.  He talked about the lack of interest for doing lunar activities in the U.S. and the reason for doing it is still largely national prestige.  A listener sent in an interesting question about differences in commercial space, private space, & entrepreneurial space.  Joe sent in an email commenting “what is going to happen to the space industry when Elon and SpaceX successfully land a fly-back booster?”  We discussed the premise of Joe’s question and as I said, the industry is already seeing & feeling the impact of SpaceX Falcon 9 in the market place so if they prove out reusability and its potential cost saving features, I suspect the industry will be forced to make some significant changes and adjustments in their respective business models.

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2. Joe from Houston - April 14, 2014

There are only 4 things we get from space.

1. Pictures, i.e., data,
2. Stories,
3. Solids (rocks and dust), liquids (water that is TBD), and gases,
4. Solar Power (radiation).

I include UOISs (Unidentified Objects In Space) in the Pictures and Stories category for those who choose to spend time thinking about their existence. It is hard enough to get a speck of dust from space, much less a piece of something made by intelligent beings other than ourselves, assuming they exist, of course. The difference between fictional and non-fictional stories and pictures represents a huge grey area where imagination freely runs rampant. Our imaginations get capitalized on by those interested in validating business cases or rather those who enjoy chasing the money. As long a money exists, there will be those who seek it by taking advantage of our imaginations.

Of the things we get from space, pictures make up 99% of the things we spend time absorbing in our minds. Stories, also, a mind thing. Because of the perceived priceless value, rocks simply go into a lab’s black hole and small amounts end up in museums. More mind time. And solar power is available for use wherever the sun shines, whether in space or on a planet/moon/asteroid/comet surface. It is a program enabler; a resource mainly utilized to get pictures and stories from space.

So, when a program completes its mission, pictures and stories, by far, make up the most return on investment that is required when funding such programs up front. It’s like the Chicken or Egg Paradigm. You can’t get a program funded without the potential for new and exciting pictures and stories. So, who cares which comes first; the potential or the funding. The point is they both exist and rely on each other to exist.

Remember the picture from Mars that looked like a 2 dimensional sculpture of a face? The fuzzy image made it into the mainstream media campaign to fund future Mars exploration missions to get better pictures of that landmark. Notice, the public only got to see one picture at one particular angle and exposure and focus setting. You’d think if the people producing the image that made it into the mainstream media would produce dozens of pictures of that particular UOIS for the public to see, they would include images taken at different angles, light exposures, and zoom settings if they really wanted the public to see it for what it really is. But no, they chose to reveal only one image that played mind tricks on the public. Perhaps their motive was to solidify additional funding for a future Mars exploration program that set out to get better pictures which is precisely what happened years later. It has become a perpetual Mars exploration program that feeds off of and builds upon previous photographic and data discoveries and accomplishments.

The fact that two pictures of a glint of light from two different locations or perhaps of two different glints of light from two locations on the surface of Mars exists in mainstream media today reveals that history is about to repeat itself, i.e., the solidification of future Mars exploration funding to get better pictures of that area is about to happen again! Goal accomplished! If we don’t find anything different than the last visit to Mars, then it becomes insurmountably difficult to go there again, just like in the case of our visit to the Moon back in the Sixties. We have been there and done that. So, why go again? Because there are new discoveries yet to be discovered. Perhaps China or some other government, that hasn’t been there and done that, could someday produce a picture like the one on Mars, we will have a solid reason for going there again. To build upon previous photographic and data discoveries is a real good reason to explore space. Slow perhaps, but steady. We must be patient. The tortoise always wins the race with the rabbit!

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