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CAP Saucier, Monday, 4-6-15 April 7, 2015

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CAP Saucier, Monday, 4-6-15


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Gust:  CAP Saucier.  Topics:  CAP’s new book, “Explore The Cosmos Like Neil deGrasse Tyson plus biographical information about Dr. Tyson, science education.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.


We welcomed CAP Saucier to the program to discuss her new book, “Explore The Cosmos Like Neil deGrasse Tyson.”  For more information about our guest and her work, visit her website, www.capsaucier.com.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 27 minute program, CAP introduced us to her new book and how she met Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson plus her interviews with him for this book.  Note that this book was a five year project in the making.  I asked her for a few things that she thought stood out with Neil.  One was that he does not have role models. Instead, he has mentors.  We spent some time discussing this and the differences between the two.  Regarding his mentors, Sir Isaac Newton and his parents stood out and were a the top of the list.  During our discussion we went back and forth in talking about Dr. Tyson and the science message in her book which was targeted toward middle school students.  Listeners asked our questions about the level of our scientific knowledge and if Dr. Tyson commented on that.  He did comment and this proved to be a continuing topic throughout our program.  We talked about favorite parts of the book, Neil’s favorite planet and CAP being able to see Andromeda through a telescope at Kitt Peake. This is an interesting story, don’t miss it.  In response to another listener email, CAP said that Neil’s priority was defending against incoming asteroids.


In the second segment, we started off talking about science education in the U.S. Our guest said we ranked in the lower half in science education among educated countries. This led us to discussing STEM and the newer form, STEAM.  The “A” is added for Art.  We both talked about the importance of art in addition to the traditional STEM topic.  We talked about where we come from in the cosmos, supernovas, and science fact, all in the context of science fact.  Note the email question from Adrian on this subject.  I asked CAP if we needed to start with better science education in grade school but she said middle school was a good age, around 4th and 5th grade.  CAP introduced the topic of evolution and said it needs to be brought back to science education.  CAP the spoke to her literary style which has been to tell a story through a biography.  In both segments, the subject of the Next Generation Science Standards came up.  Our guest had much to say about them.  Check ou the website,  www.nextgenscience.org/next-generation-science-standards.  Toward the end of the show, listener Pauline in Fargo wanted to know if Neil wanted to go to space.  Don’t miss her answer.


Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach CAP through her website or me.


1. Mark - April 10, 2015

I really don’t like to do that and I’m sorry I have to, but it’s time to take Neil DeGrasse Tyson down a peg or two. We all like his space and science advocacy, proposition to increasing NASA budget, etc. I admired him as a replacement for Carl Sagan, whom I loved unquestioningly until I learned about some of his not very scientific stances (see Nuclear Winter controversy – bending the facts to serve his agenda, even if it was about saving humanity from nuclear war, shoddy nuclear fallout equation – ardent Global Warming position, finally a bit of an ego – Ray Bradbury said he walked about thinking he is Carl Sagan, meaning always TV superstar, etc.), but I don’t admire him anymore.

It appears that he is a fabricator, a quote fabricator, which is the most egregious thing that any scientist can do – inventing false data to support one’s position. In this case it was to make somebody look like a fool. That somebody was the US president.








If all that is true and it seems of a pattern with the deceitful behavior of the environmentalists and so-called climate “scientists” and Anthropogenic Global Warming advocates and earlier behavior of another media darling, Tyson’s mentor, Carl Sagan, scientist-turned-media-persona, then I lost all my respect I had for him.

He is now, more than ever, a Hollywoodish celebrity with his own talk show, StarTalk, which I listened to a lot in the past; not a scientist. Exactly like Bill Nye, also mentioned in this SpaceShow. They both call skeptics deniers and behave smugly, while not having much information to support their beliefs. Well, I would much rather be in the company of Freeman Dyson, Burt Rutan, Michael Griffin, Michael Crichton, Bjorn Lomberg, Richard Lindzen, Walt Cunningham (plus other NASA engineers), et al., than in theirs. Both are glib and opinionated. If we want one single strong persona to represent space science community, we would better make sure it is a person of impeccable reputation and honesty.

It is awful to tear down your heroes, but there it is. Real heroes will stand up to any scrutiny of their professionalism.

I got tempted into downloading another StarTalk (interview with Elon Musk was the bait), but four minutes into the show, after introducing Bill Nye, when a comedian said “You’re a freaking idiot if you don’t believe in climate change” and both Tyson and Nye applauded, I shut it off.

Listening to idiots bores me to death.

P.S. Dr. Space mentiones in this SpaceShow that is isn’t nice to think we’re related to alligators, but alligators can regrow their teeth now and again; it would be handy if we possessed that ability, wouldn’t it..

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