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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Friday, 6-19-15 June 20, 2015

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Friday, 6-19-15

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Guest:  Dr. Bruce Cordell.  Topics:  Maslow Windows, economic growth, the start of a new space program era.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed back Dr. Bruce Cordell for updates to his Maslow Window theory predicting an upcoming era of new space development and expansion.  During the first segment of our 2 hour 2 minute discussion, Dr. Cordell started out with an example that he said showed Russian’s interest and importance in space.  I’ll let it be a surprise, you decide.  From there, Dr. Cordell explained the basics of the Maslow Window conditions but rather than going back decades and centuries in history as he has done in past shows to confirm the cycles and the big projects coming after the cycles, he started with President Kennedy, his economic policy, the return of ebullience to the country, and eventually our moon program.  Bruce then jumped forward to recent times, pointing to milestones in our economy and national mindset over the years since Apollo and why he thinks conditions are right today to see a new major space program develop as part of economic and forward growth for the country which again, he suggested might be just around the corner.  Much of the first segment was devoted to his explaining why what I just wrote is so.  There were several email questions from listeners.  For example, Jerry challenged Dr. Cordell by saying that things were very different today than in the time of JFK and the Apollo program.  He said that today there would have be a refocus of the entire nation to overcome the lack of any ebullient feelings in the country or to kindle a desire to spend big money on space anything.  Bruce agreed with Jerry but listen to his full explanation & rational for his theory.  Bruce cited the lack of ebullience throughout the country, polls showing that most Americans have a negative view of things right now and for the future, and said this was all part of the coming turnaround leading to economic growth and major development projects that take place twice a century. Bruce received some questions about not wanting a government program but letting the private companies or commercial markets do the next big projects.  He thought dependency on the government for big projects would continue for years to come due to the costs but welcomed commercial industry support and public private partnerships.  Later in the segment, Bruce assigned a high degree of importance to the Chinese space program suggesting it might be part of the turnaround needed to return ebullience to the country to set the stage for a large project which he suggested might be a competitive space project due to China’s space program.  Bruce also took this opportunity as he did in the next segment to advocate returning to the Moon as the next logical step in our space development program.  He also cited recent comments made by the new Director of ESA that he said supported the coming Maslow Window.

 

In the second segment, Bruce returned to a question asked earlier by Bill about the possible impact of the 2016 presidential election on triggering this new, great space project.  Bruce spoke directly to the idea of presidential impact & potential policy changes.  He was asked if any of the candidates would strongly support such policies in the primaries and he and others suggested it would likely be done after a new president was elected, not during the campaign.  Listen to his reasoning for this.  This prompted me to get in there with my two cents worth on this discussion which was very different from what Bruce was talking about.  Fortunately, my comments/rant did not go on for too long but see what you think of it.  Post your thoughts on the blog, thumbs up or down. Bruce told me after the show that he appreciated my engaging him as I did in this particular show.  During this segment, Bruce mentioned other examples of space events and happenings to support his overall theory.  Later in the segment to support his thesis on the return of economic growth, he cited a recent Wall Street Journal article, “The Return of Growth Economics”(www.wsj.com/articles/the-return-of-growth-economics-1434063021).  I supported the idea of the return to growth economics but in my comments I mentioned above, I took it further saying that a space project might be seen as a tool to benefit the national industry and spur economic growth.  I also said it would not come from a space advocacy perspective but rather space would be used as a tool for national policy and benefit.   Dennis Wingo recently addressed the economy in his article  “Secular stagnation and space: a way beyond our current economic plateau” which you can read at http://room.eu.com/articles?id=88.  Dennis is returning to The Space Show next month to discuss this and other items of interest.  As our program was drawing to a close, Dr. Cordell offered us some takeaway points and a good set of concluding remarks.

 

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  Bruce can be reached through his website, http://21stcenturywaves.com or through me.

Comments»

1. Andy Hill - June 27, 2015

If ESA got together China and Russia to create an international moon base the US could be excluded from joining in, after all the US has vetoed China being involved with the ISS so China could do the same.

I think that an international moon base without the US would be a “Sputnik” moment as not only would it show the US as being behind everyone else, they would also be seen as being isolated and going off at a tangent to everyone.

If most of the other spacefaring countries were partners in an expensive moon project they will not have the resources to partner with the US on another big project, making it go it alone or follow in what everyone else wants to do;- neither of these options will be seen as a great leadership position. If the US were to fail in an alternative manned project (as seems likely from the list of cancelled and delayed projects seen over the last few decades) how is that going to look to the rest of the world?

The US saying that it doesn’t what to go back to the moon and its past commitment on joint projects could make it more of a liability than a benefit in the eyes of potential partners. The ISS being a US lead project makes it hard for America to walk away from, a project with the US acting as a junior partner might not be so good for the other countries involved.


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