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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-29-15 July 30, 2015

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-29-15

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Special Guest:  Dr. Marc Rayman

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Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Marc Rayman, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: Ceres bright spots, topography, Dawn Mission, & more. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm). For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you. Please note that audio and transition issues are a result of copying the John Batchelor broadcast & are not within my control as they originate in the Batchelor studio.

 

John Batchelor and I welcomed back Dr. Marc Rayman to the show to discuss the latest news coming back from the Dawn Mission regarding dwarf planet Ceres. We talked about the Ceres topography including the bright spots, the haze in crater Occator, the three mile high pyramid peak which may be remnants of a volcano, plus the dust layer over Ceres, ice, and oceans under the ice. Dr. Ryman talked about some of the processes that might have created these characteristics and conditions on Ceres but as you will hear, much is still unexplained. Dawn will make a close pass of Ceres at 900 miles from the surface in early August. Its closest pass will be in December 2015 at about 232 miles above the surface. Check out the new Dawn color coded topography map at http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov.

 

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Michael Mackowski, Tuesday, 7-28-15 July 29, 2015

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Michael Mackowski, Tuesday, 7-28-15

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Guest: Michael Mackowski. Topics: Space Advocacy past, present, and in the future. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Michael Mackowski to The Space Show to discuss his book “Adventures in Space Advocacy,” space advocacy in history through to the future, spacecraft model building and much more. During the first segment of our 90 minute program, Michael talked about growing up as a “child of Apollo” and being inspired by our early space program. He went on to get an EE degree and to work in the industry. He said it was an exacting time, especially when the Galileo Jupiter mission finally happened. He talked about the start of organizations such as L5, The Planetary Society, AIAA, and his own early ventures into space advocacy which are detailed in his book, available at Amazon at www.amazon.com/Adventures-Space-Advocacy-Personal-Activism/dp/1511564911/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1438189701&sr=8-1. He talked about moving, heading to Phoenix and engaging in space advocacy once again after a brief pause when he was in Washington, DC. This led us to a discussion about individual advocacy efforts as compared to group or organizational efforts. Michael was asked how he has sold human spaceflight to a general audience, his most receptive audience, and lobbying congress. Our guest spent some time discussing the challenges in advocating human spaceflight to the general public so don’t miss this discussion. Space tourism came up as a probable kick starter once the industry starts commercial operations. Michael thought that space tourism could provide a crucial boost for industry support even outside the space community.

 

In the second segment, we talked about Michael’s interest in spaceflight models. If you visit his website, www.space-city-mike.net, you can click on scale models on the right side menu bar (http://space-city-mike.net/modeling). Michael described the industry, licensing challenges, specialty model builders and more. He also talked about using models in the form of make and take kits when talking to young students about space. Model building through 3D printing was discussed, then I switched the topic to inquire about his success in outreach with adults and children. He said 5-7th grade was the best group to talk with as high school was probably too late. As for speaking to adult groups, he said it was usually about entertainment but that it seldom produced advocacy action on the part of the adults hearing the talk. I seconded that experience given my talks with adults on space this and that. Near the end, we talked trends, the increasing influence of social media, passion, and connecting pace to our future.

 

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Dr. Robert Pappalardo, Monday, 7-27-15 July 28, 2015

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Dr. Robert Pappalardo, Monday, 7-27-15

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Guest: Dr. Robert Pappalardo. Topics: The Europa Mission Development Plan plus information on this moon. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Robert Pappalardo to the show to discuss Europa and the upcoming Europa Mission by JPL which is now in the development phase. During the first segment of our 1 hour 27 minute program, Dr. Pappalardo talked about the origins of the NASA JPL Europa mission now in the development phase. He briefly described the experiments & instruments planned for the mission, then answered questions about the mission such as will the mission search for life. In response to this question, he said it would search for simple life through an indirect means which he described more fully in the second segment of the show. Our guest talked about having learned lots from the earlier Galileo spacecraft, especially about the Europa magnetic field and the likelihood of the oceans consisting of saltwater. Dr. Pappalardo also talked about the structure of Europa with the icy surface, oceans under the ice ad then a rocky base under the oceans. Dr. Pappalardo brought up the tidal heating of Europa and spoke to that quite a bit during the show. He talked about chemical energy and nutrients which may support simple life in the Europa oceans. Listener Joe asked how Europa could be in a habitable zone, even for simple life, given its cold temperatures. Our guest said Europa was expanding the definition of habitable zone & that the tidal heating was crucial to the possibility of finding simple life molecules. Don’t miss his complete response to this question. We talked mission timeline which was from about 2022 to the mid-2020s. We also learned that the Europa launch window was every 13 months. Our guest was asked about transit time to Europa. He said it depended on the rocket. With SLS it would be less than 3 years. Another rocket would take at least 3.5 years or longer. We also discussed bandwidth issues for getting data, images, and video back to Earth. I asked about the possibility of using cubesats as part of the Europa mission, then Bob talked about the radiation challenge which he said was significant because Jupiter acts as a giant particle accelerator. Don’t miss this discussion, especially the part abbot how much ice would be needed for effective shielding. Also, the Europa satellite will come as close as 25KM to the surface of Europa.

In the second segment, Bob went into detail about the scientific instruments that will comprise the Europa mission. He took us through each one in detail so don’t miss it. The radar pushes the technology envelope. So does the mass spectrometer. Harry wanted to know if a plutonium RTG would be used for power and if they were anticipating Cassini like protests. Bob said that they would be using solar power. Again, don’t miss the discussion. Cindy asked Bob about the length of the Europa day and year, another listener asked about Europa volcanoes and we learned that Europa has icy volcanoes. Amber wanted to know if the ice on Europa was the same as ice here on Earth. A UK listener wanted to know why Europa was not sucked into Jupiter by the planet’s huge gravity field. Don’t miss Bob’s explanation of this. Toward the end of the segment, he talked about the significance and importance of the search for simple life molecules/organics. Final questions concerned specific Europa classes at the college level & more on the European JUICE Mission and its plans for Europa. We agreed to stay in touch with one another regarding Europa and the upcoming mission so Dr. Pappalardo will be returning to The Space Show.

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Rex Ridenoure, Sunday, 7-26-15 July 28, 2015

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Rex Ridenoure, Sunday, 7-26-15

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Guest: Rex Ridenoure; Topics: Ecliptic Enterprise overview & updates, LightSail program & mission, NewSpace & more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Rex Ridenoure back to the show to discuss Ecliptic Enterprise, LightSail, the NewSpace Conference & more. During the first segment of our 1 hour 33 minute discussion. I started our discussion by asking Rex how Ecliptic got the LightSail contract from The Planetary Society. Rex relayed the story to us of their involvement with LightSail & I am sure you will find it interesting. This discussion led Rex to update us on Ecliptic activities with their size reduction program for their avionics and their work on cubesat projects. Rex talked about their customer and project base and why they don’t have foreign launcher contracts or relationships. ITAR!! He talked about their having been denied ITAR clearance in the past so they don’t even bother obtaining it anymore. Rex talked about some of their camera space projects including LCross, transmitting data back via the DSN and the limitations because their cameras could work all the way to Pluto and beyond but the data transmission rate and capacity to do that for video is not available. We then returned to the LightSail project which Rex described in some detail during the balance of our segment. Rex also has suggested we read the blog articles on LightSail via Jason Davis on The Planetary Society website. www.planetary.org/about/staff/jason-davis.html and look for his posts on LightSail. By the way, it is an excellent blog and I recommend you add it to your regular reading list.

 

In the second segment, Rex provided us with an overview of the SFF NewSpace Conference and I totally agreed with what he said having also attended it. In my opinion, it was the very best of all the SFF-NewSpace conferences I’ve attended since the late 90’s. As part of his summary of the conference, I asked his opinion on the Dr. Linda billings Scientific American article that attacked SFF, NewSpace, space settlement, etc. Here is the article in case you missed it: www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-inexcusable-jingoism-of-american-spaceflight-rhetoric. Let us know on TSS blog what you think of Dr. Billing’s article and what Rex had to say about it. Please be respectful and civil, no name calling, even if you strongly disagree with either Dr. Billings or Rex. Since our show ended, Shubber Ali, the original Space Cynic, posted a reply to Dr. Billings on the Space Cynics website. Check it out as I will add all of this to the Open Lines discussion for Sunday, August 2: https://spacecynic.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/the-inexcusability-of-poor-reading-comprehension. As the show neared the conclusion, Rex summarized key points & highlights of discussion.

 

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Jon Goff, Friday, 7-24-15 July 25, 2015

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Jon Goff, Friday, 7-24-15

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Guest: Jon Goff; Topics: Altius Space-Machines updates, new projects, commercial space, fuel depots & more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Jon Goff back to the show for Altius Space-Machine updates and more. Make sure you follow along with us at his website, www.altius-space.com. During the first segment of our 90 minute discussion, Jon brought us up on Altius activities since his last time as a guest on the show in March 2013. We discussed the projects listed on his website home page, Prospector, Lisa, the Robotic Manipulator, and EMBARC-2. I asked him for updates on Sticky Boom and how the new projects related to Sticky Boom. As you will hear, Jon and his team are engaged in several innovative projects. Listeners wanted to ask Jon about fuel depots so that topic contributed to both our first and second segments. Later in the first segment, Doug called to compare the Falcon Heavy with the use of depots, suggesting the Falcon Heavy would be more cost effective to LEO than using depots. This was an interesting discussion on this topic so don’t miss it. ISRU was discussed as was aerobraking coming back from the Moon.

In the second segment, Joe had the lead off question asking Jon if they were planning to engage in cubesats and Earth-imaging. Jon’s reply included a discussion of his Big Vision concept for his company and how he wants to contribute to the space industry. Carl in Tucson asked Jon about using Sticky Boom or one of other concepts to get rid of LEO space debris. Following that discussion, Jon told us about his Private Placement plans for his MAGE (Mechanical Assistant for Glovebox Experiments) project, where Altius is trying to adapt some COTS robotics and 3d vision solutions for use inside the Microgravity Science Glovebox on the ISS, and on the 3DOF STEM Arm testbed that they wanted to use for testing various Sticky Boom capture mechanisms on an air-bearing table. Another listener asked Jon about building launch vehicles for cubesats. Wayne asked about SBIRs, exceptions for those from outside the U.S. and foreign government funds for companies like Altius. As we were nearing an end to our program, I asked Jon for his five year forecast for the cubesat industry, then the same for his company. Jon had much to say on this topic, including talking about ADS-B ground stations, SpaceX, One Web, smallsats beyond LEO into MEO and GEO. As we were ending, Harry asked how independent Jon was from NASA policy, the administrator, etc. We concluded our discussion with Jon mentioning possible future hiring needs and his thoughts on having started up his own business five years ago.

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Dr. Pat Patterson, Smallsat, Wednesday, 7-22-15 July 23, 2015

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Dr. Pat Patterson, Smallsat, Wednesday, 7-22-15

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Guest: Dr. Pat Patterson. Topics: We take a look at the 2015 SmallSat Conference from August 8-13 in Logan, Utah on the campus of Utah State University. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience. We welcomed Dr. Pat Patterson back to the program to discuss the upcoming 2015 SmallSat Conference to be held in Logan, UT from August 8-13. During our one segment 60 minute discussion, Dr. Patterson not only provided us with the history of the SmallSat conference over nearly three decades, but we focused on many of the highlights for this year’s event. You can follow along with us at the conference website, www.smallsat.org. In addition to talking about the keynote speaker, the CubeSat workshop, student completion, ride sharing, exhibitors, and more, we also talked conference logistics for registration and hotels in and near Logan. Dr. Patterson talked about the social events, networking, and the side programs offered this year. Highlights of the social events take place Tuesday evening with the parties by Orbital ATK and then by SpaceX & Space Services. Toward the end of the discussion, Pat reviewed smallsat industry stats over the past four years documenting the growth and changes within the industry, plus future smallsat plans which if they actually happened, the launch capacity for small satellites would have to significantly improve and expand. Still, the growth stats are reflective of the exciting progress in this segment of the space industry. If you are able to attend SmallSat this year, let me know and please give us reports about it on future Space Show programs.

 

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John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-22-15 July 23, 2015

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John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-22-15

Special Guest:  Dr. Alan Stern

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Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Alan Stern, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: New Horizons Pluto flyby & pictures. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm). For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you. Please note that audio and transition issues are a result of copying the John Batchelor broadcast & are not within my control as they originate in the Batchelor studio.

 

John Batchelor and I welcomed back Dr. Alan Stern, PI for the New Horizons Pluto flyby mission. We talked about New Horizons, the fact that all 7 instruments worked perfectly during the flyby, that another mountain range has been found on Pluto, and that about 98% of the images were still on the spacecraft including all the high resolution images. We talked about Pluto’s moons, especially Charon, the detected heat source, and the Pluto atmosphere. Pluto’s nitrogen was also a discussion topic.

 

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Dr. Jim Woodward, Tuesday, 7-21-15 July 22, 2015

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Dr. Jim Woodward, Tuesday, 7-21-15

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Guest: Dr. James (Jim) Woodward. Topics: The Mach Effect, gravity, and breakthrough propulsion. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Jim Woodward to the program to discuss the Mach Effect, Mach thrusters and drive, and breakthrough propulsion. During our discussion, Dr. Woodward mentioned his book, “Making Starships and Stargates which you can order at http://ssi.org/exotic-propulsion-initiative as this allows SSI to get a royalty payment on the sale of the book. If you buy the book through Amazon using TSS/OGLF portal, The Space Show gets a percentage of the sales price of the book. In addition, the Charles Platt article, “Strange thrust: the unproven science that could propel our children into space” can be found here: http://boingboing.net/2014/11/24/the-quest-for-a-reactionless-s.html. Finally, Dr. Woodward mentioned the paper written by Dr. Heidi Fearn, “New Theoretical Results for the Mach Effect Thruster.” You can download this paper at www.researchgate.net/publication/280134421_New_Theoretical_Results_for_the_Mach_Effect_Thruster. Note that in the final minutes of our program, Dr. Woodward spoke very softly and we were unable to get some of what he said as part of his final comments. While the 1 hour 56 minute program was divided into two segments, this summary will be in one segment only and short as the papers above tell the story. I urge you to read them and become familiar with Dr. Woodward’s work either before or after listening to this discussion which was at times very technical and heavy in the theoretical physics fields for gravitational forces, electromagnetic forces and more as he described the Mach Effect. In addition to the physics, since Dr. Woodward’s work is dependent on funding so he spent a good amount of time in both segments answering questions and telling us what it was like trying to get funding, approved proposals, etc. for cutting edge work or even work considered to be out of the box or on the fringe. His realistic assessment of the challenges posed by his and similar work goes to the point of why we don’t see more out of the box science & advanced projects being financed. In addition to the physics and funding discussions, we talked timelines for his having commercial uses for small Mach thrusters which would start off servicing satellites. This discussion covered both segments.

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon, Monday, 7-20-15 July 21, 2015

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon, Monday, 7-20-15

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Guests: Rand Simberg, Bill Simon. Topics: July 20th celebration, Evoloterra.com, U.S. space policy. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience. We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon to the show to discuss the importance of July 20, 1969, our having landed on the Moon leaving Earth behind, and their ceremony, Evoloterra (www.evoloterra.com). During the first segment of our 1 hour 26 minute program, Bill and Rand talked about the creation of the Evoloterra ceremony, what it signifies and what it honors. They talked about the importance of storytelling and why they modeled Evoloterra on the Passover Seder. Both guests talked about the importance of leaving Earth’s gravity well for the first time for another planet though later Rand offered a correction to that statement since the Moon orbits Earth and the Apollo crew was always in the sphere of influence of Earth. Rand said going to Mars would be the first time humans will have left the influence of our home planet. This discussion covered a large part of the first segment. Next, we got into space policy and theoretical discussions such as what the world would be like, including US space policy, had the Soviets beat us to the Moon and established a permanent lunar base there. Both our guests offered speculative views of alternative time lines & realities had something like that actually happened. Getting into the Evoloterra relevance today, Rand took the lead and had much to say about our current space policy, how we should be doing things and why we should not be trying to recreate Apollo. In addition, our guests talked about going to Mars and at one point it was said that there was probably no path to Mars without going through the Moon. We talked about the press conference today announcing the new Return to the Moon plan. You can download and read the plan at www.scribd.com/doc/272096719/NexGen-report-on-leveraging-commercial-rockets-to-return-to-the-moon. Rand had interesting comments about it though given it had just come out a few hours before our show today, none of us had yet read the 100 page plus report. However, It will be the subject of our next Open Lines show. Rand made several points that doing great things in space did not have to come about due to a policy based on war, referring to Apollo and the Cold War. Skipping over to the second segment, we talked about previous reports regarding space policy and Rand noted that these earlier reports did not advocate a national policy for space settlement. We then discussed space settlement for a good part of this segment, with our guests explaining why it should be our national policy. For future missions, Rand kept saying they did not have to be based on battles and wars. Bill said we needed the challenges & to win. Several catalyst type events were mentioned including asteroid threats. Rand talked about addressing many issues including space mining, property rights and affordability. Both guests offered excellent closing comments, don’t miss them. Post your comments/questions on TSS blog above. You can reach Rand and Bill through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Dr. Jack O. Burns, Tuesday, 7-14-15 July 15, 2015

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Dr. Jack O. Burns, Tuesday, 7-14-15

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Guest: Dr. Jack Burns. Topics: Lunar missions, lunar policy, lunar commerce, public-private partnerships, international lunar policy. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Jack Burns to the program to discuss lunar policy, public and commercial missions, the international momentum for going to the Moon and more. During the first segment of the 1 hour 23 minute show, Dr. Burns responded to my initial question as to why we have not returned to the Moon since Apollo ended. He provided us with a comprehensive overview going back to the Cold War period, our technology readiness level at the time, the costs involved in going to the Moon, and much more. He also talked about the unique drivers at the time for space, drivers which don’t exist today. We then discussed today’s drivers for both public and private/commercial programs along with today’s economic and technology readiness level. Don’t miss his analysis. Dr. Burns did say (several times during our discussion) that international support for lunar missions, both robotic and human, was growing. He also referred to The Global Exploration Roadmap (www.nasa.gov/pdf/591067main_GER_2011_small_single.pdf) several times during the discussion. Later, lunar exploration was discussed and Dr. Burns talked about scientific drivers and the stepping stone concept. He said the Moon was a crucial stepping stone to other solar system projects and destinations. Listener Jerry sent in a note based on the YouTube video of our guest about using the Moon for the exploration of the cosmos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BrhYOaAkko). Dr. Burns took time to describe his DARE project (The Dark Ages Radio Explorer). For information on this project, see http://lunar.colorado.edu/dare/mission.html. Listeners asked our guest to explain why the lunar farside was so good for communication and various arrays. Don’t miss his explanation. Later in the segment we talked about cislunar space, Orion missions, timelines, and even lunar communication latency. We also talked about Mars missions and at one point our guest said going to Mars without first learning things on the Moon increases risk for the mission and those going to Mars. Doug called with a series of comments, then BJohn asked why lunar landings were so rare (from his perspective).

In the second segment, Catherine asked Dr. Burns for his top three science missions and commercial mission were he in charge of lunar policy. After Dr. Burns responded to Catherine’s question, Connie wanted to know about new theories on how the Moon was created. BJohn asked about the launcher selected for the DARE project plus other lunar related propulsion and primary/secondary payload requirements. I asked Jack about the use of cubesats in lunar missions and just how it important was it for the general public to support a return to the Moon policy. Doug called to take issue with the missions Dr. Burns preferred because they would essentially eat up the budget leaving little or nothing for missions that Doug preferred. This led to a budget and choice discussion, then I chimed in with a minor rant from an economic perspective about using public money better so we did not have to make choices regarding this or that mission or project. I ranted on about the difference in an expense and investment at the federal level. I admitted to this being my space cadet fantasy as I know we are not headed for economic deployment as I wished for in my comments. Don’t miss the final questions of the program and the concluding comments offered by Dr. Burns.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above. You can reach Dr. Burns through his university websites or me.

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