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Michael Listner, Sunday, 12-13-15 December 13, 2015

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 12-13-15

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Guest: Michael Listner.  Topics: Commercial Space Law, asteroid bill, treaties, 2015 space legal issues and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the show for the last time in 2015.  During the first segment of our two hour discussion, Michael started the 2015 annual space law review by jumping right in to discussing the new Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act recently signed into law by President Obama.  In this segment, he hit on key issues including legal jurisdiction on issues would now be federal law issues, the solidification behind SLS making it harder to cancel the rocket project, and the controversial “property rights” section in the asteroid part of the legislation.  There were many questions for Michael regarding the significance and meaning of issues now falling under federal law.  During this discussion, Michael used legal definitions and terminology and we discussed hypothetical situations to try to understand the impact of federal over state law on issues likely to make it to court.  Michael again talked about the asteroid mining part of the legislation (he did so as well on his last show a few weeks ago) which he believes contradicts the Outer Space Treaty.  Michael carefully went through the legal issues including the incorrect comparison of the Outer Space Treaty to the oceans and the Law of the Sea Treaty rather than a more appropriate comparison to legal regimes regarding Antarctica.  Michael posted a good article on this discussion his blog, Space Thoughts, which you can read at https://spacethoughtsblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/section-51303-the-oceans-are-not-the-equal-to-outer-space/.  Later in the segment, listeners asked about domestic vs. international legal enforcement of the asteroid mining issues per the legislation, plus many questions came in about The Outer Space Treaty and even The Moon Treaty came up for discussion.

 

In the second segment, Michael started out by saying that SLS got a big boost which was supportive of commercial space policy.  Jack asked about commercial crew in the legislation, but our focus moved to the RD180 engine because that is a big deal right now.  Michael said it was akin to open warfare between Senator McCain and ULA.  Michael offered us a detailed explanation of the RD180 issue and how it can impact ULA, SpaceX, and actually impact the nation.  Another topic was the return to flight using the Atlas 5 and the RD181 engine for the Cygnus by Orbital ATK.  BJohn and later Freemont John inquired about nuclear propulsion and some of the things discussed in the recent program with Dr. Dewar. Another topic discussed was planetary protection which he said gets its authority from Article 9 of The Outer Space Treaty.  Before the program ended, Michael gave us a status report on The Code of Conduct, the suborbital industry, and the Moon Treaty.

 

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Dr. Paul Spudis, Friday, 12-11-15 December 12, 2015

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Dr. Paul Spudis, Friday, 12-11-15

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Guest: Dr. Paul Spudis. Topics. 2015 space year review, RTM & Cislunar development, comprehensive key space issues review. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Paul Spudis back to the program for a 2015 space year in review. During the first segment of our 1 hour 31 minute discussion, we covered much ground reviewing key events of 2015 including European, Russian, & Chinese space accomplishments & missions. Dr. Spudis got several emails on a wide range of topics from space advocate rhetoric to Orion, CST 100, Dragon V2 and more. Regarding advocate mission plans and projects, he said the technology people talk about and want to use in their various space mission designs does not really exist. He used going to the Moon to harvest water ice for water and fuel as an example of where we are today. That said, he indicated that there are only so many wants to do certain types of space projects so it was likely that which advocates called for could end up in actual mission plans and real projects. Budget issues were also discussed as well in this segment. Listener Christa asked if the return to the Moon and cislunar development will become a future policy priority. Dr. Spudis had much to say on this topic so don’t miss it. This included the possible impact of the 2016 presidential election on space policy. Jeff in Boston inquired about the aging process and other human factors as challenges/obstacles to doing BLEO projects. Dr. Spudis offered us an interesting perspective on the human factors issues. Jack in Portland inquired about our guest’s views on asteroid mining and the language used in the new commercial space law recently signed b the president. Our guest shared his views with us on these issues. We talked public-private partnerships and government procurement. Kim called from Mexico to inquire about the Lalande Crater on the Moon & the cracks or fissures seen in the photos, plus impact melt and more. She also talked about young and old craters which Paul defined for us upon my request. A young crater would be less than a billion years old! Near the end of the segment Paul talked about the challenges in closing a business case for going to the Moon at this time, plus the proper role for government in this situation. Sandra asked about the lunar space elevator.

In the second segment, Kim called back to inquire some more about Lalande crater, thorium bright spots, and more. BJohn emailed in asking about lunar landers, then Rodney brought up space settlement. Paul had interesting comments on space settlement you will wan to hear. A good portion of the second segment was spent on Mars. Back to the budget, he said the challenge was to do more in the most efficient ways possible while reducing the need for more funding. The Mars-Moon debate came up again with Paul explaining why returning to the Moon before going to Mars was important Solar power for missions and habitats was discussed along wit ISRU usage. Don’t forget to reach Paul’s article on Air and Space about the asteroid mining section in the Commercial Space Law just signed into reality by President Obama. See Paul’s writings at www.airspacemag.com/author/paul-d-spudis/?no-ist as well as at www.spudislunarresources.com. While there, check out his “Close but no Cigar” article we discussed on air (www.spudislunarresources.com/blog/the-new-space-resources-law-close-but-no-cigar).

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Michelle Cadieux, Tuesday, 12-8-15 December 9, 2015

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Michelle Cadieux, Tuesday, 12-8-15

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Guest: Michelle Cadieux. Topics: Space research, startup organizations, cubesats, important space information sources and more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michelle Cadieux to the show to discuss the space startup community, cubesat startups, space research, and much more. I suggest you listen with pen and paper as our guest mentioned several companies and resources that you might want to contact and use. During the first segment of our 1 hour 21 minute program, Ms. Cadieux started out by talking about the Minneapolis based Robotics Alley Conference (www.roboticalley.org). Michelle’s team placed in the investment and innovation category of this conference with a space project which she described on the show. As we learned, her team’s project was the only space project at the conference which caters to the general robotic science and engineering fields. Michelle then discussed the SpaceWorkBench (https://spaceworkbench.wordpress.com/). From this point forward, Michelle offered up organizations and companies doing interesting tings in the space startup community or reporting on it. We talked about cubesat opportunities and options, the possibility of future deep space cubesat, then the subject of the lunar space elevator came up. Michelle mentioned the company Lunar Lift Alliance. The lunar space elevator was mentioned many more times in this segment as well as the second segment of our program. The next topic focused on hackathons around the country. We talked about their market, what they do, crowd funding programs plus Michelle mentioned specific companies and resources for interested listeners. Later in the segment, I asked our guest about human spaceflight opportunities and we talked about space tourism.

In the second segment, Michelle told us about her Facebook site which lists & tells us about startup, hackathon-like and similar events on a national basis. You can find her site at www.facebook.com/creativecommunications?_rdr=p. One event that stood out was the Las Vegas AT&T Development Program with its cash prizes. Todd in San Diego asked our guest about the regulatory environment for the space startups. Next, we briefly discussed asteroid mining with our guest mentioning asteroid valuations. Space law came up, then I asked Michelle about relationships with the hackathon and startup community with the larger aerospace companies such as SpaceX, ULA, etc. Michelle mentioned that many of these organizations sponsor events in this entrepreneurial community. During the remainder of the second segment, cubesats were again discussed along with people’s interest in getting out of LEO and my asking Michelle if she wanted to go to space. Tim called with questions about the lunar space elevator and possibly a Martian space elevator. As the show was about to end, business plan competitions were brought up along with a focus on the need for innovation.

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Dr. Jim Logan, Dan Adamo, Dr. John Jurist, Friday, 11-20-15 November 19, 2015

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Dr. Jim Logan, Dan Adamo, Dr. John Jurist, Friday, 11-20-15

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Guests:  Dr. Jim Logan, Dan Adamo, Dr. John Jurist; Topics:  Humans to Mars, exploring vs. pioneering & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Jim Logan, Dr. John Jurist, and Dan Adamo for a 1 hour 45 minute discussion about humans to Mars and a critique of the  “NASA’s Journey to Marts: Pioneering Next Steps in Space Exploration (Oct. 2015).”  Please note that our program completed in one long segment without a break.  We started off by asking Dr. Logan to summarize the recent New World Space Conference he attended in Austin, Texas.  Jim pointed out that there were lots of young students there and they seemed eager to hear his message and did not consider him a Debbie Downer.  Jim is an evidence based guy when it comes to space policy and programs, he is also well grounded in the sciences and engineering so he does not typically hang out in the usual space cadet la la land of make believe.  We noted that older, more seasoned space cadets often dismiss those with similar messages based on evidence and fact,  but Jim was impressed by the willingness of the younger group to consider evidence and facts. The other guests plus myself had much to say about this particular issue, then we moved on to Dan who wanted to talk about the paper he has uploaded on TSS blog containing his analysis and comments re the NASA Journey to Mars Document. If you have not yet read it, please do so at this time.  For Dan and our guests, there were issues about a poorly defined definition for exploration vs. pioneering, confusing the two in the Journey to Mars document, the need for congressional action to change the mandate to pioneering, then asking for the rational for pioneering or Martian settlement. Much was said about there being no business case or rational case at all for humans to be on the surface of Mars.  This was an overriding theme for the entire discussion.  Our guests kept asking the question, “why are we doing it.?  This referred to humans on the surface of Mars for pioneering purposes.  Note the definitions Dan used for exploration and pioneering earlier in the show.  Note also the differences Dan suggested for exploration.  Our guests talked about the challenges that make Martian settlement or pioneering beyond our reach at this time.  Dr. Jurist brought up radiation and microgravity issues along with other human factor issues.  Dr. Logan supported what John was saying and called for the need to know the gravity prescription.  Without knowing it, we cannot possibly be serious about sending humans to mars.  Our guests talked about nuclear thermal propulsion and several times they referenced the Aquarius Concept (www.spaceenterpriseinstitute.org/tag/aquarius-concept).  Cognitive decline was also discussed as a leading challenge.  The matter of the Twin Study on the ISS with astronaut Scott Kelly came up.  Jim said a sample size of one does not help as it would only lead to insufficient information.  Our guests talked about radiation shielding, its cost, and added mass.  Dan mentioned a recent Aviation Week article from a September issues saying that nuclear propulsion may have a timeline for development around 2022-24.  John had much to say about this.  John also brought up the economy, potential interest rate rises and the impact on space and NASA. Jim said we needed a 10% growth rate for our interplanetary work.  We addressed the economic issues for several minutes as it was an important part of our discussion.  Later, I mentioned the recent interest I was seeing from Space Show listeners regarding the pioneering of Venus with some sort of settlement in the upper atmosphere. Our guests pointed out the pros and cons for this & we contrasted it with pioneering on the surface of Mars.  Joe sent in an email asking for the action plan or steps to be taken to pioneer Mars.  Don’t miss how our guests responded to Joe’s question.  This provided the opening for more discussion about cislunar development.  Here, our guests had much to say, including rescue opportunities, the lack of a redundant vehicle in contrast to even Apollo 8. Dan talked about this issue in technical terms so don’t miss it.  Near the end of the program, SLS came up but in the context of problems with it regarding mass, the stages, Orion, abort and rescue, black zones and more.  Don’t miss what Dan had to say about SLS and technical problems and issues.  The issues Dan raised are not the typical issues one hears discussed when talking SLS.

Please post your comments on TSS blog.  You can reach either of the three guests through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

 

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Doug Messier, Tuesday, 11-17-15 November 18, 2015

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Doug Messier, Tuesday, 11-17-15

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Guest:  Doug Messier.  Topics:  The Virgin Galactic current multi-part series on www.parabolicarc.com and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Doug Messier back to the program.  During the first segment of our nearly two hour show, Doug started off by telling about his current multi-part series running this past week on www.paraboloicarc.com regarding Virgin Galactic and SpaceShipTwo.  Given the accident happened slightly more than a year ago, Doug put together a comprehensive series of articles on the accident, the pilots, the NTSB report, Virgin Galactic, Scaled and more.  This is a multi-part series you will want to read.  The majority of the first segment’s discussion was based on the articles with questions from listeners and myself about various aspects of the company, the accident, the people involved, the mission control room, and the NTSB report plus supporting documents which Doug studied for his articles.  Listener Alec sent in an email before the show wanting to know if SS2 has been more closely modeled after SS! if the company would have been flying by now.  Doug had much to say in response to this question dealing with the expansion to SS2 which was 3 times larger than SS1 and more.  When asked about return to flight, Doug suggested the possibility of Feb. 2016 but that was not definite.  This was in response to Josh asking for a Virgin time line.  Doug also got questions about Virgin and Spaceport America, then he was asked if noticed differences in Virgin’s presentation both pre and post the accident.  The subject of safety and test flight programs came up for Virgin, XCOR and all the companies.  We talked about safety and test flight programs in general with Doug, myself and some listeners,  agreeing that the test programs were not extensive enough or sufficiently comprehensive.  Don’t miss this discussion which included comments about the flight test envelope challenges, the X-15 as a possible model, and comments made by Neil Armstrong at the recent Suborbital Conference held a few years ago in Palo Alto, CA.

In the second segment, I started out by asking Doug about the new Commercial Space Law agreed upon by the House and Senate, specifically the part about asteroid mining and quasi-property rights.  I pointed out the feedback I was getting about this section being in opposition to the Outer Space Treat and many were not happy with it, nor did we know if it would have any legal standing outside the U.S.  Tim called in to support the asteroid mining provisions in the law.  John from Ft. Worth called in to talk about the DARPA XS-1 program and Masten Space Sciences. Burton in Canada asked about SLS, then Dr. Lurio called in to talk safety and many other topics.  Before the show ended, Tim called back to ask about the XCOR piston pump progress.

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Dr. Tony Milligan, Monday, 3-30-15 March 31, 2015

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Dr. Tony Milligan, Monday, 3-30-15

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Guest:  Dr. Tony Milligan.  Topics:  Dr. Milligan’s new book, “Nobody Owns the Moon: The Ethics of Space Exploitation” plus commercial space development ethical issues.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.   Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Tony Milligan to the show to discuss his new book, “Nobody Owns the Moon:  The Ethics of Space Exploitation.”  Note that at approximately 1 hour 47 minutes into the program we lost our guest.  I took a short break and was able to get him back with us for the final ten minutes of our 1 hour 58 minute discussion.  In the first segment of the show, Dr. Milligan introduced us to the book and the topic from a moral and ethical perspective.  He said that he was in the middle range from not wanting any space development activity for ethical reasons to uncontrolled commercial development as in free market activity.  He said we had an obligation to do it right but defining what right meant was challenging.  I asked him about enforcement and that turned out to be a significant discussion topic for most of our program.  I took an early call from Kris in Wyoming who challenged our guest on all levels given his wanting to put a thorium reactor on the Moon, dispose of thorium waste inside a crater, and fuel a lunar settlement.  Kris and Tony went back and forth on the issues, approvals that should be required, trivial versus non-trivial, who decides or makes the decisions.  Tony cited the Sphinx and Pyramids to make a point which Kris and others rejected during their give and take and the show.  One of the issues that kept coming up was that the celestial item in discussion had cultural significance which Tony worked to define.  Many emails were received and discussed regarding cultural significance issues, the comparisons to terrestrial monuments and a celestial body, plus the point that the development on the Moon or Mars would not be visible from Earth so why should it matter.  See if you agree with Dr. Milligan on the visibility issue.  We talked about Ch. 7 in his book on mining off world.  Trivial and non-trivial pursuits came up again as our guest would not be inclined to approve a trivial pursuit but if it was significant, it would probably be approved.  Of course who decides if a project is trivial or not and then attempts to enforce all of this remains an issue.  Michael Listner called in and largely supported our guest saying this discussion was highly relevant.  We also talked about the NASA ARM mission , lunar protection, and more.

In the second segment, Tim from Huntsville was our first caller. He misread the bio for our guest but wanted to talk about vandalism and other issues but they were descriptive used for another book written by Dr. Milligan.  More emails came in including from Doug wanting to know who or by what process the Moon was assigned value and are there other countries where one could go to do commercial activities in space without regard to the issues our guest was speaking about.  Don’t miss Tony’s response to both of Doug’s questions.  Kirk wanted to know if Tony thought there was a difference in speaking about these issues in Europe as compared to the U.S. , then Doug called to talk with Tony about striking a balance and getting Tony to say what he would and would not be willing to approve.  In this discussion the cultural value of the Moon came up as Doug asked if he would approve this or that project.  Of course this means that Tony, someone else or some organization would have the approval or disapproval power based on certain criteria that may or may not be objective or to the liking of the entrepreneur for reasons totally contrary to the project’s goals.  Doug talked about the rational man standard but even that can be subjective as everyone always believes they are being rational.  I used as an example the current nuclear talks with Iran.  From the Iranian perspective, their demands are rational and in keeping with their “rational man” standards but not ours.  Michael Listner emailed in about the Apollo landing sites NASA guidelines.  Other emails came in including one four part note from Ken.  Tony responded to Ken with one consolidated answer for all his four questions.  Perhaps Ken will post his questions on the blog though I read the email on air.  Tim called back about the time we lost Tony on the call. Tim wanted to talk about Common Heritage of Mankind and benefit sharing plus the UN but Tony was already off the call.  I paused the discussion to get Tony back on the line for the last ten minutes of our show.  When Tony came back on we talked about the differences in the Moon and Mars regarding ethical issues, settlement as being trivial or non-trivial, and that only non-trivial pursuits should be permitted.  In the end, our guest said his book was meant to open these discussions and that all sides should be represented and have a voice, even those poorer nations that cannot access or do anything with space though he did not say they should have an equal voice to the space fairing nations.  As the program was ending, I asked Dr. Milligan about his upcoming book which will be an edited volume on these issues featuring both sides to the argument.  For sure we will invited Dr. Milligan back when that book is available.

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Paul Turner, Tuesday, 1-6-15 January 7, 2015

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Paul Turner, Tuesday, 1-6-15

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Guest:  Paul Turner.  Topics:  Paul Turner talks about his book “The Space Trade” and how to develop real estate in orbit.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Paul Turner to the show to discuss his new book “The Space Trade” and his concept for developing orbital real estate for profit. Visit his website for more information, http://www.thespacetrade.com.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 55 minute show, Paul introduced us to The Space Trade idea.  He first described what the mature space trade industry would look like, then he talked about how to develop a space trade.  He suggested the space trade would likely start with asteroid mining and he referenced Planetary Resources multiple times during our discussion.  He also mentioned the need for an orbital transfer vehicle and a spin ship which he described later in the discussion.  He talked about mining water and bring it back to LEO.  He recalled he had seen a suggested price for water at $50 million/ton in LEO which he said was on the Planetary Resources website at one time.  Later in the segment, this price was disputed by several listeners.  Listeners asked questions about the potential profitability of the space trade early stage since Paul thought it might not be profitable at the start.  Another early industry suggested by Paul was the servicing and refueling of satellites.  Joe then asked if a proof of concept could be applied to capturing small asteroids near Earth and bringing them back to Earth targeting their re-entry to land in Australia somewhere.  Paul said it was possible and it was important to have a proof of concept for people to see. John from Ft. Worth called to inquire about space manufacturing.  Paul had much to say about this part of his concept.

In the second segment, a listener asked about property rights and the national as well as international legal regime to make possible the space trade.  JP emailed in about manned vs. unmanned asteroid mining.  Benny asked Paul to describe a spin ship.  Later Robert inquired if lunar development might be the starting point for the space trade industry rather than asteroid mining. Listeners asked Paul many other questions including one about why establishing a space trade was important.  Paul referred us to chapter 12.1 of his book but he did mention a few of the reasons.  Later, he talked about the Carrington Event. I asked him what our TRL was for getting the space trade going and he said we could start today.  Don’t miss what he had to say about this.  In closing comments, he advocated doing something rather than just talking about it.  Pooley then called to talk about DIY space plus they discussed the old Conestoga project and JP emailed in on that as well.

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Dr. Martin Elvis, Monday, 8-11-14 August 12, 2014

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Dr. Martin Elvis, Monday, 8-11-14

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Guest:  Dr. Martin Elvis.  Topics:  Asteroid mining, commercial space, NASA.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Martin Elvis to the program to discuss asteroid mining, commercial space, NASA & more.  In the fist segment of our 91 minute discussion, after telling us about an asteroid being named after himself, Martin responded to my question about what he sees as our future in space.  Dr. Elvis answered this question throughout both segments of today’s program, making it clear that he sees solutions and development through astronomy & commercial space, not NASA.  He began talking about our great space telescopes and the fact that the budgets are not there for such great tools and instruments to continue and be sustained, even to the tune of not being able to properly support the JWST.  He had much to say on rising costs, budgets and when I asked about priorities, he said how much is the right amount to make space exploration, science, even HSF, a priority?  What is their information worth compared to other worthy causes and uses for federal money?  This analysis has led him to understand the future rests with commercial space to pay for space programs and ventures rather than relying on government funds.  We then jumped into mining asteroids and the commercial potential of this emerging industry.  He talked about initial small markets, maybe 10 worthy asteroids for mining or possibly doubling that number given uncertainties and risks associated with the formula for estimating the number of commercially viable asteroids.  Do not miss this discussion as I am sure we will be referring to it frequently in future Space Show program discussions.  The size and type of asteroid matter as you will hear with mining needing at least a 100 meter wide asteroid in the billion dollar range with Delta V requirements that are cost effective for getting to and from the target.  Primarily we talked about water and PGM re asteroids.  Listeners asked questions about trillion dollar asteroids per press reports, he looked them up and said the Delta V to get there, land, etc., was simply too high, a fact often ignored by articles referencing potential asteroid value.  Doug emailed in about smaller asteroids, say 20 meters.  Dr. Elvis had much to say about the smaller asteroids and their mining potential as well.  Toward the end of the segment, we talked about regulatory and legal-illegal acts including the possibility of a competing company hijacking an asteroid for commercial purposes.  Don’t miss what he said about this.

In the second segment, we started with a call from Doug.  Doug and Martin had a log discussion as Doug wanted to compare mining potentials for asteroids and the Moon.  Later, we talked more about space telescopes and Doug wanted to know if Hubble could be pointed in the direction of the sun for specific reasons.  Later, we talked about Rosetta and P67.  B John in Sweden sent in lots of questions about why not mine the Moon rather than an asteroid.  Martin explained the value of going to an asteroid for mining and getting virgin scientific info over the Moon so listen to this discussion.  Other topics included economics, depressing prices of PGM here on Earth by bringing this material back to Earth, zero G issues, Pluto, Kuiper Belt Objects and more.

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Emily Lakdawalla, Friday, 5-30-14 May 31, 2014

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Emily Lakdawalla, Friday, 5-30-14

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Guest:  Emily Lakdawalla.  Topics:  The Planetary Society, space geology, robotic & science missions, science mission budget.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Emily Lakdawalla to the program to discuss space science missions, The Planetary Society, space & outer planet geology.  During the first segment of our 90 minute program, Emily went over her background and how she came to have an interest in space and in particular space science and geology.  Some of our topics included the tectonics of Venus, asteroid mining, her interest in the outer planets of the solar system, and science missions either ongoing or to be conducted in the future.  I mentioned a possible Europa mission which led to a Europa discussion and Emily talking about the ESA JUICE mission (JUpiter ICy moons Explorer).  We talked about being able to cut the travel time to the outer planets for science missions and our guest mentioned the possible use of SLS to do that.  Don’t miss this discussion.  Also in this segment, we talked about upcoming comet and asteroid mission, then we switched gears to discuss robotic challenges.  Here, Emily pointed out the time lag for communications to Mars and beyond makes telerobotic control difficult at best.  We talked about having a Mars orbiter to control surface robots.  Were we doing this, the robots could be simpler as they would not need as much autonomous capabilities as they need now based on Earth communications.  Emily told us about Planetary Society projects and programs, we talked about man in the street interviews regarding space & our guest shared her experiences with us when Shuttle Endeavour came to Los Angeles.  Near the end of this long segment, Kepler came up, questions came up about Earth geology being similar to the geology of the planets, the lack of fossil fuels on other planets, then Doug called with a question about coalition building & the NASA science budget.  As the segment ended, we asked Emily about robotic exploration as compared to having a human geologist on the surface of the planet. BJohn from Sweden sent us emails about Curiosity on Mars and Venus.

In our second segment, we talked about relevant time spans and how missions get prioritized.  Emily went over the Venus challenges.  She was asked if the Planetary Society would try another Phobos-Grunt mission and we talked about their project, the Mars Microphone to bring back to Earth the sounds from Mars.  Toward the end of the program, Emily was asked about the importance of lowering launch costs for science missions and the promotion of space advocacy.

Please post comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach Emily through The Planetary Society or me.

Dr. Madhu Thangavelu, Monday, 2-24-14 February 25, 2014

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Dr. Madhu Thangavelu, Monday, 2-24-14

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Guest:  Dr. Madhu Thangavelu.  Topics:  NEO student intervention & surveillance design projects, advanced technology.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Madhu Thangavelu to discuss current graduate student design projects from his most recent USC class which had a theme dealing with NEOs and mitigation strategies.  During the first segment of this 1 hour 41 minute show, Dr. Thangavelu focused on the future of the ISS, lunar exploration and settlements, a bit on Mars but mostly on NEO issue and surveillance of dangerous items.  He summarized several of the student projects for us including one referred to as “Trojan” asteroids and another referred to as “space rocks to take care of rocks.”  Also in this segment we talked about nuclear rocket technology and propulsion, asteroid mining, and Directed Energy devices.  For the latter, we spoke about the ease of using the technology as a space weapon.  Toward the end of the segment we discussed how to enroll in Madhu ‘s class, especially if you are not a USC graduate engineering student.  Our guest summarized the segment saying that planetary defense will happen and his class helps to train and condition creative minds to deal with the problems.

In the second segment, Professor Thangavelu received a listener question about Earthship Houses and the Cal-Earth Institute.  Madhu also spoke about the recent NASA NIAC Conference held at Stanford University.  Regarding the conference, he spoke about many of the keynote addresses and speakers, plus extremely innovative projects.  One such project was Contour Crafting which he said was now in Phase 2 (see www.contourcrafting.org).  Another listener went into more detail with him on the USC application process to attend his class, then Madhu went back to sharing more with us regarding the NASA conference.  He said keynote speakers were from MythBusters, Google, SETI, SSI, and Dr. Pete Worden of NASA Ames.  Later in this segment, he talked about the space business model with Elon Musk, Stratolaunch, and more.  He fielded a few specific questions on asteroid mining which he did not think was ripe for investor action at this time.  He was asked about green technologies & the student design projects, then about his upcoming article in the Journal of Space Philosophy.  One of the last topics was the introduction to us of co-robotics, suggesting we check it out at the National Robotics Initiative ( Google co-robotics for more information).

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  Dr. Thangavelu can be reached through me using drspace@thespaceshow.com.

 

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