Dr. Tony Milligan, Monday, 3-30-15 March 31, 2015Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.
Tags: "Nobody Owns the Moon: The Ethics of Space Exploitation, Apollo landing sites, asteroid mining, benefit sharing, bilateral agreements, Common Heritage of Mankind, cultural significance, Dr. Tony Milligan, lunar development, Mars, moral commitment, regulatory rules, settlement, space ethics, strip mining, Thorium, thorium reactor and waste., trivial vs. non-trivial, United Nations, vandalism, visibility form Earth
Dr. Tony Milligan, Monday, 3-30-15
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Guest: Dr. Tony Milligan. Topics: Dr. Milligan’s new book, “Nobody Owns the Moon: The Ethics of Space Exploitation” plus commercial space development ethical issues. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.
We welcomed Dr. Tony Milligan to the show to discuss his new book, “Nobody Owns the Moon: The Ethics of Space Exploitation.” Note that at approximately 1 hour 47 minutes into the program we lost our guest. I took a short break and was able to get him back with us for the final ten minutes of our 1 hour 58 minute discussion. In the first segment of the show, Dr. Milligan introduced us to the book and the topic from a moral and ethical perspective. He said that he was in the middle range from not wanting any space development activity for ethical reasons to uncontrolled commercial development as in free market activity. He said we had an obligation to do it right but defining what right meant was challenging. I asked him about enforcement and that turned out to be a significant discussion topic for most of our program. I took an early call from Kris in Wyoming who challenged our guest on all levels given his wanting to put a thorium reactor on the Moon, dispose of thorium waste inside a crater, and fuel a lunar settlement. Kris and Tony went back and forth on the issues, approvals that should be required, trivial versus non-trivial, who decides or makes the decisions. Tony cited the Sphinx and Pyramids to make a point which Kris and others rejected during their give and take and the show. One of the issues that kept coming up was that the celestial item in discussion had cultural significance which Tony worked to define. Many emails were received and discussed regarding cultural significance issues, the comparisons to terrestrial monuments and a celestial body, plus the point that the development on the Moon or Mars would not be visible from Earth so why should it matter. See if you agree with Dr. Milligan on the visibility issue. We talked about Ch. 7 in his book on mining off world. Trivial and non-trivial pursuits came up again as our guest would not be inclined to approve a trivial pursuit but if it was significant, it would probably be approved. Of course who decides if a project is trivial or not and then attempts to enforce all of this remains an issue. Michael Listner called in and largely supported our guest saying this discussion was highly relevant. We also talked about the NASA ARM mission , lunar protection, and more.
In the second segment, Tim from Huntsville was our first caller. He misread the bio for our guest but wanted to talk about vandalism and other issues but they were descriptive used for another book written by Dr. Milligan. More emails came in including from Doug wanting to know who or by what process the Moon was assigned value and are there other countries where one could go to do commercial activities in space without regard to the issues our guest was speaking about. Don’t miss Tony’s response to both of Doug’s questions. Kirk wanted to know if Tony thought there was a difference in speaking about these issues in Europe as compared to the U.S. , then Doug called to talk with Tony about striking a balance and getting Tony to say what he would and would not be willing to approve. In this discussion the cultural value of the Moon came up as Doug asked if he would approve this or that project. Of course this means that Tony, someone else or some organization would have the approval or disapproval power based on certain criteria that may or may not be objective or to the liking of the entrepreneur for reasons totally contrary to the project’s goals. Doug talked about the rational man standard but even that can be subjective as everyone always believes they are being rational. I used as an example the current nuclear talks with Iran. From the Iranian perspective, their demands are rational and in keeping with their “rational man” standards but not ours. Michael Listner emailed in about the Apollo landing sites NASA guidelines. Other emails came in including one four part note from Ken. Tony responded to Ken with one consolidated answer for all his four questions. Perhaps Ken will post his questions on the blog though I read the email on air. Tim called back about the time we lost Tony on the call. Tim wanted to talk about Common Heritage of Mankind and benefit sharing plus the UN but Tony was already off the call. I paused the discussion to get Tony back on the line for the last ten minutes of our show. When Tony came back on we talked about the differences in the Moon and Mars regarding ethical issues, settlement as being trivial or non-trivial, and that only non-trivial pursuits should be permitted. In the end, our guest said his book was meant to open these discussions and that all sides should be represented and have a voice, even those poorer nations that cannot access or do anything with space though he did not say they should have an equal voice to the space fairing nations. As the program was ending, I asked Dr. Milligan about his upcoming book which will be an edited volume on these issues featuring both sides to the argument. For sure we will invited Dr. Milligan back when that book is available.
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Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12 November 21, 2012Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.
Tags: "Outer Space Development, benefit sharing, capitalism, citizen science, commercial space development, Common Heritage of Mankind, creating an ideological shift, Dr. Edythe (Edy) Weeks, environmental issues, giggle factor, IAF, International Institute of Space Law, international relations, International Relations and Space Law: A Method for Elucidating Seeds, NewSpace, nonprofit, private investment, public/private partnerships, revenue sharing, space entrepreneurism, space law, space mining, space property rights. The Outer Space Treaty, space resources, space tourism, tattoos, taxes, The Moon Treaty, United Nations, venture capital
Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12
Dr. John Lewis, Monday, 5-28-12 May 29, 2012Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.
Tags: asteroid mining, Chinese lunar program, Chinese Space Program, commercial space, Common Heritage of Mankind, Dr. John Lewis, Indian space program, ion propulsion, Konstantin Eduardovitch Tsiolkovsky, Law of the Sea Treaty, lunar mining, Planetary Resources, property rights, Return to the Moon, revenue sharing, space government regulation, space venture capital, The Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study, Tsiolkovsky Plan of Space Exploration., West Indies Company
Dr. John Lewis, Monday, 5-28-12
Guest: Dr. John Lewis. Topics: Asteroid mining, Chinese space program. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Dr. John Lewis to discuss asteroid mining and the Chinese space program. You can order Mining The Sky: Untold Riches From The Asteroids, Comets, And Planets by Dr. Lewis as we talked about his book throughout our program. If you use this Amazon URL, Amazon will make a donation To The Space Show/OGLF: www.amazon.com/Mining-The-Sky-Asteroids-Planets/dp/0201328194/ref=onegiantlea20. Our first segment focused in on asteroid mining, where are today, its future, legal issues to be settled, risks, and more. Near the end of this segment, we also talked about the Law of the Sea Treaty, the common heritage of mankind and revenue sharing ideas, all of which would be detrimental to asteroid mining and expanding space commerce. Earlier Dr. Lewis referenced the Keck study, The Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study which says we can capture a certain size NEO and put it in orbit around the Moon. Dr. Lewis carefully went through the pros and cons of doing this.
In the second segment, Tim called in and continued the revenue sharing and common heritage discussion. Dr. Lewis then cited his family history dating back to 1625 coming from theNetherlands with the West Indies Company, then staying here and moving west rather than returning to theNetherlands. He drew parallels with this and potential space settlement and risk taking. Next, we talked about the Chinese space program, their space station, the upcoming taikonaut launch in June and the fact that they are actually “bending metal” in making hardware for going to the Moon, unlike the Indian program which is still largely talk. Near the end of the segment, we talked about lunar mining, the needed future vision and leadership, the need to be a multi-planet species and why. Our discussion with Dr. Lewis is full of important information so I urge you to carefully listen to this program and use the internet to follow up on many of the topics and issues he brings to our attention. For example, you might find it interesting to see the 1926 Plan of Space Exploration as developed by Tsiolkovsky (www.informatics.org/museum/tsiol.html).
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Matthew Kleiman, Monday, 11-28-11 November 29, 2011Posted by The Space Show in Uncategorized.
Tags: Apollo landing sites no fly zones., Common Heritage of Mankind, Draper Labs, Google Lunar X-Prize, Law of the Sea Treaty, lunar burial, Matthew Kleiman, Moon Treaty, NASA Apollo landing sites guidelines, New Mexico State University Lunar Legacy Project, Outer Space Treaty, Phobos-Grunt., Protecting Apollo Lunar Artifacts, space debris, space law, Space Liability Convention, space property rights, space salvage law, space treaties, World Heritage Sites
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Matthew Kleiman, Monday, 11-28-11
Guest: Matthew Kleiman. Topics: Protecting Apollo artifacts on the Moon, space legal & property rights issues. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. The Space Show/OGLF is now engaged in its annual fundraising drive. Please see & act upon our appeal at https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/space-show-2011-fundraising-campaign. We welcomed Matthew (Matt) Kleiman to the show to discuss his recent TSR article, “Protecting Apollo artifacts on the Moon, written on November 7, 2011. You can read the article at www.thespacereview.com/article/1961/1. We began our discussion by describing the Apollo artifact situation, explaining ownership of them per the Outer Space Treaty in that there is no space salvage law. He said NASA recently issued guidelines for protecting the Apollo artifacts given the likelihood that private companies and possibly other nations might get to the sites, disturb or alter them, or even contaminate a few of the ongoing experiments that are still functioning. As you will hear, the guidelines are not enforceable, they are voluntary, and you can find them at www.collectspace.com/news/NASA-USG_lunar_historic_sites.pdf. We spent a major part of this segment talking about the guidelines and related issues. Also discussed were liability issues and the problem with determining negligence regarding space activities. A listener asked about the timing of the NASA guidelines announcement given that at least for now, we are unable to return to the Moon. Matt then separated out robotic missions to the Moon as compared to humans returning to the Moon. Our discussion also took us to the issue of property rights on the Moon and elsewhere in space. We started the next segment by asking Matt about the Moon Treaty and its status. We talked some more about salvage law for space and addressed the issue of why the US prefers to use international law for protecting the sites rather than doing it unilaterally as that raises potential sovereignty issues posed the by the space treaties. Phobos-Grunt came up with regards to space debris issues. During our space debris discussion, we talked about liability, the fact that an individual cannot bring an action other than through his/her country (the State Department for U.S. citizens) and more. Matt talked about and described the Reasonable Person Doctrine. A listener asked about the Google Lunar X-Prize and Matt briefly talked about the Draper programs with two teams. He also told us about the long standing Draper Labs participation in our space program and that Draper Labs was the first non-government Apollo team member. Another listener asked about the common heritage of mankind language in the Moon Treaty and to a lesser degree in the Outer Space Treaty. Toward the end of our discussion, we talked about the challenges for making new treaties and the concepts/programs being used to accomplish nearly the same as a treaty but using a process other than a treaty. If you have questions/comments, please post them on The Space Show blog URL above. Matt can be emailed at firstname.lastname@example.org.