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Dr. Madhu Thangavelu, Friday, 6-7-13 June 8, 2013

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Dr. Madhu Thangavelu, Friday, 6-7-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2024-BWB-2013-06-07.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Madhu Thangavelu.  Topics:  space architecture visionary design, Human Spaceflight (HSF) to Mars, radiation, much more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed back Dr. Madhu Thangavelu for a 1 hour 45 minute discussion on a wide ranging set of topics from space visionary concepts to HSF to Mars, radiation and other issues, fantasy vs. reality thinking, and the synthetic mind. Madhu provided us with these links relevant to our discussion:  1. AIAA talk slides:
https://info.aiaa.org/Regions/Western/LA/Lists/Presentations/DispForm.aspx?ID=6 ; 2. AIAA Space Architecture panel video on YouTube : www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig3FzB0bQnA, 3. USC Space Concepts Studio website : http://denecs.usc.edu/hosted/ASTE/527_20111, 4. latest USC Eng. magazine carries an article, p16-17: http://viterbistorage.usc.edu/Public/USCVITERBIMAG.pdf.  In our first segment, Madhu opened up by talking about students and space inspiration.  Based on his own USC teaching experience, he said students were fired up.  Our guest was asked to compare robotic missions to HSF missions and Madhu spent some time on this discussion.  He also talked about the NASA plan to capture an asteroid, referring to this as a possible wild goose chase.  He talked about the ISS and using it more and more to accomplish important space goal.  Madhu received several questions about Tito’s Inspiration Mars flyby mission.  Here, he had much to say, especially about radiation, deep space communications, food & nutrition, and even physiology degradation.  We talked about using nuclear propulsion for such a mission & he suggested a better mission profile using two Falcon rockets.

In the second segment, Paul asked about using nuclear electric propulsion as compared to the two Falcon rocket idea. Madhu talked about the nuclear propulsion history with NERVA & the use of nuclear fuel on many of our robotic missions. Michael called in and said there was no real political will for nuclear so it probably would not happen anytime soon.  Later, Madhu was asked many specific radiation questions regarding the Mars flight.  Madhu suggested possible mitigation strategies, including his favorite, self cellular repair.  Allison emailed in to inquire about his Studio students and how he holds the line from reality thinking as compared to Kool Aid thinking.  Madhu talked extensively about this issue, discussed the philosophy of idea generation, visionary thinking with some fantasy while at the same time being grounded in engineering, physics, financial and other subcomponents of the concept. Don’t miss this important discussion.  We also talked about disruptive technologies.  At the end, we talked about the synthetic mind.

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Bas Lansdorp of Mars One, Friday, 5-10-13 May 11, 2013

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Bas Lansdorp of Mars One, Friday, 5-10-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2006-BWB-2013-05-10.mp3

Guest:  Bas Lansdorp of Mars One.  Topics:  The Mars One mission, a comprehensive discussion.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.  We welcomed back Bas Lansdorp, CEO of the Mars One project located in Holland.  For more information, visit their website www.mars-one.com.

During the first segment of this 94 minute program, Bas took us through the basics of the Mars One concept and mission.  I asked him for clarification as to their company structure given some of the newsletters from last year regarding converting from a for profit to a nonprofit organization.  During the discussion, Bas fielded numerous email listener questions addressing a long list of issues relevant to the Mars One mission.  For example, we talked about why a one way mission, the flight time and launch windows for Mars, radiation, the differences with ISS and Mir crews in LEO as compared to going through the Van Allen Belts and entering deep space with cosmic radiation and possible solar flares.  Bas talked about using 25-40 CM of water shielding.  We talked about the psychological/emotional health of the crew, growing food on Mars, livestock, and a Martian greenhouse.  Resupply from Earth came up & we inquired about the need for Earth resupply as compared to being Martian self-sufficient, plus other life support issues.  Mars One plans on sending cargo missions and supplies to Mars well in advance of the first human mission so Earth resupply may not be what is needed.  Another listener asked Bas about the planetary protection rules and if Mars One was up on them. Bas said yes and appears to be supportive of planetary protection efforts & regulations.

In our second segment, I asked him about his PR given that Mars One gets so much positive PR.  Crew selection questions came in & Bas said the most important qualification for the crew would be to get along in groups.  They plan on teaching the crews all the needed skills so they do not have to select engineers, doctors, etc.  He said that when they hire the first crew, it will undergo the comprehensive training for the mission over 7 years.  Bas got questions about the costs and using a reality TV model for funding purposes.  Bas corrected the listener as their model is the Olympics, not a reality TV show.  Another listener wanted to know about the possibility of their being denied an FAA launch license.  Still another set of questions came in about a Mars One failure leaving an unsupported colony on Mars.  Bas had much to say about this issue so don’t miss his comments.  We also talked about nations implementing the Astronaut Rescue Treaty if Mars One went under & there was no other company in its place.  More was said about the applicants, about 80,000 so far.  He told us most want to go to do something useful to improve humanity and the world. Going because you are unhappy on Earth or something like that will not get you accepted as a Mars One crew member.  Bas said he would be at two upcoming California events for those wanting to meet him, the Space Tech Conference in Los Angeles (www.spacetechexpo.com/conference-program-2013) and ISDC at the end of May in San Diego (http://isdc.nss.org/2013).

If  you have comments/questions for Bas Lansdorp, please post them on The Space Show blog.  You can email Bas through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Reinventing Space Conference Interviews, Friday, 5-11-12 May 11, 2012

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Reinventing Space Conference Interviews, Friday, 5-11-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1772-BWB-2012-05-11.mp3

Guests:  1st Segment: Col (Res.) Yoram Ilan-Lipovsky with George Vamos;  2nd Segment: George Vamos.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  This program consists of two recorded interviews from the Reinventing Space Conference 2012.  The first interview for an hour is with Col (Res.) Yoram Ilan-Lipovsky .  Yoram has been interviewed in earlier years at this conference, still serves with the IAF though he is retired,  and is still part of the Israeli Space Program.  We were joined by George Vamos who was attending the conference as he was most interested in Yoram’s plans for air launch for Israeli satellites and missions.  Col. Ilan-Lipovsky told us about his plan to use cubesats for disaster management including wild fires as well as a host of other natural and man made disasters.  He talked about the interest in this project in Japan, the U.S. including the states most subject to wild fires, Europe and Israel.  We went through his satellite plan, the use of air launch to quickly get the satellites up for a specific disaster, and debris issues when the small satellites reach the end of their mission.  Later in this interview, we talked about space and the average Israeli, the Kepler Space Telescope and STEM issues in education in Israel and around the world.

In the second segment, George Vamos proposed several questions to us and hopes that listeners to this program will offer him comments, information, or ask questions on the blog.  George is looking ahead to the day when he believes there might be a government space program leaving all space exploration, including deep space exploration, to the private sector.  Thus, he is looking at a new model to finance deep space missions using philanthropy.  He is wondering what the price points might be for deep space mission, perhaps to Mars, and then can such a mission be financed through philanthropy.  He said he realized that most of these types of missions would not support a commercial model since traditional investment and ROI objectives would not likely be met.  Based on what he sees with wealthy people building wings of hospitals, cancer centers and even financing the Keck Telescope in Hawaii, he exploring philanthropy as a possible means of carrying, perhaps at a small level, meaningful deep space missions.  See what you think and let him know your thoughts on the blog.  He will be responding to your comments and questions.

For all comments and questions regarding both segments of this discussion, please post them on The Space Show blog.