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Chris Carberry, Sunday, 1-4-15 January 5, 2015

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Chris Carberry, Sunday, 1-4-15

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Guest:  Chris Carberry.  Topics:  Human spaceflight to Mars, Exploremars.org, Mars political advocacy.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.  Please note that in the second segment there were two very noisy cell phone calls and we apologize for that. I believe the noise was outdoor wind noise at the callers location.

We welcomed back Chris Carberry, Executive Director of Explore Mars, to outline for us their Mars 2015 plans along with proposed political advocacy with the new Congress and upcoming 2016 presidential election.  In the first segment of our 96 minute discussion, Chris mentioned some of the highlight planned for Explore Mars for 2015 including their H2M Conference at GWU from May 5-7 plus he updated us on the ExoLance and their time capsule projects.  We talked about the political work needed and what Explore Mars was doing regarding this with the incoming congressional members and in preparing for the 2016 presidential race.  I asked Chris to tell how human spaceflight to Mars is presented to congressional members for the most impact and what the biggest objections were which he said focused on the budget.  He also suggested there was lots of political interest in human spaceflight to Mars.  Later we talked about Mars or the Moon, competing for funding and for priority status.  Marshall called with questions about needed energy for a human venture to Mars, focusing on either solar power or nuclear power.  The nuclear power part set up a more extensive discussion.  Chris responded to several emails about lunar water and should it be the Moon or Mars.  He was also asked about depots and their possible support of a humans to Mars mission.

In the second segment, Kirk called in for updates on ExoLance and he asked about a sustainable one way mission to Mars, particularly if public money was used for the mission. Chris thought we were far off from a publicly funded one way Martian mission.  Later, Chris talked about increased interest and talk about going to Mars and he mentioned several companies have plans for a humans to Mars mission.  Orion and SLS came up as well.  A 20 year time line was suggested for the Mars mission.  Toward the end of the discussion, Chris said their 2015 agenda was to continue focusing on building the Mars coalition, to start briefing presidential candidates in advance of the 2016 election, plus working with the new congress.  Toward the end of the show, Chris was asked about going to the moons of Mars instead of Mars.  Tim, our last caller, wanted to know about Red Dragon.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can contact Chris through his website or me.

Greg Cecil, Friday, 6-27-14 June 28, 2014

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Greg Cecil, Friday, 6-27-14

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Guest:  Greg Cecil.  Topics: STEM for Middle School students, human spaceflight, Mars & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Greg Cecil back to the program for this 1 hour 37 minute discussion.  During our first segment, Greg summarized his space shuttle experience when working on the thermal protection system at KSC, talked about keeping in touch with former shuttle employees and letting us know that in his opinion, shuttle was retired too early.  After the shuttle program was closed down, Greg began consulting and teaching science to middle school students.  He talked about the difference in a public inner city school as compared to teaching in a private school.  His observations are important, especially about parent involvement  & support in the student’s education.  Greg devised space related projects for the students & created scientific experiments to fly with the J.P. Aerospace high altitude balloon flights.  Greg described some of the experiments and the benefits in working with John Powell of J.P. Aerospace.  We talked about the impact of the flights and making the payloads.  I asked if the impact will remain with them as they go through school, possibly in selecting a space or science education and career.  Greg also attended the recent Explore Mars Humans2Mars Conference and here he offered us many valuable observations.  Listen to what he had to say about NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden’s talk, then later the talk given by NewSpace advocate and co-founder of the Space Frontier Foundation, Rick Tumlinson.  The differences between the two talks and approaches led to Greg’s conversion to being a NewSpace proponent.  Greg talked about SpaceX and suggested it was risky for any one company to be the face of NewSpace, either intentionally or by chance.

In the second segment, Greg talked about the movie, “I want To Be An Astronaut.”  Doug emailed in a comment based on our first segment discussion given Greg’s comment about NASA budgets being tight & being a show stopper for grandiose HSF missions such as those to Mars & as reported in the NRC Pathways HSF study.  Greg responded to Doug, then I let got with one of my infamous rants directed not just at Doug but we space enthusiasts in general for having lousy communication skills.  In this instance, my rant was about Doug focusing on technology and never ever making the case for the WHY or the need to do what he suggested in his question.  Greg then spoke to the importance of knowing your customer, congressman, market, and effectively communicating the WHY & the NEED.  Later, after the rant and aftermath of the volcanic eruption, Greg spoke to how best to approach members of congress and state legislatures.  We then talked about the RD-180 engine, SLS, & HSF spaceships.  As our discussion was ending, Greg pointed out the risks associated with putting all our HSF eggs in one basket and one company.  He closed by saying never give up plus he provided his email address at the end of the show.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Greg through me or the address he gave out on air as the show was ending.

Chris Carberry, Tuesday, 2-4-14 February 5, 2014

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Chris Carberry, Tuesday, 2-4-14

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Guest:  Chris Carberry.  Topics:  Explore Mars programming including their recent Affordability Workshop, their upcoming Humans to Mars Summit and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Chris Carberry to this special one hour program to discuss the recently concluded Explore Mars Workshop, “Affording Mars” that was held in early December 2013.  Chris explained the purpose of the workshop and we talked about the conclusions and the plans to move forward and build upon the success of this program.  To learn more about this workshop, visit www.exploremars.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Affording-Human-Exploration-of-Mars-1-12-14-final.pdf.  Listeners asked questions about defining affordability, advanced propulsion for Mars, the use of SLS, and if Inspiration Mars and Mars One contributed to their efforts.  You might be surprised by his answer to this last question.  At the midway point, we switched to other programs in play for Explore Mars, Inc.  Visit their website for information on the programs we discussed plus other information on this organization, www.exploremars.org.  In particular we talked about the upcoming legislative blitz in Washington, DC plus the April main conference, Humans 2 Mars Summit 2014.  While the conference will be in Washington, DC, it will be live streamed and we can all watch it wherever we are around the world.  One of my questions to Chris was how in a very short time, four years, he has built and made Explore Mars one of the most credible advocacy organizations and policy influencing organizations.  I also commented on the quality of their programming, attendees, speakers, all of it.  Chris did provide an explanation for this which I think all of us could benefit from.  Listen to how he said they communicate and work with others, even those opposed to Mars.  As I said, we could all learn from the Explore Mars playbook.  We also talked about robotic, science and human missions and how all are needed working together.  Chris also talked plausible timelines for HSF to Mars.

Post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Chris though the Explore Mars website.

Chris Carberry, Sunday, 4-7-13 April 8, 2013

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Chris Carberry, Sunday, 4-7-13

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Guest:  Chris Carberry.  Topics:  Exploremars.org and their upcoming Humans2Mars Summit, the Mars Generation Opinion Poll.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

In the first segment of this 1 hour 46 minute program, we welcomed back Chris Carberry, Executive Director of Explore Mars (www.exploremars.org) to discuss their upcoming Humans 2 Mars Summit (H2M) from May 6-8 at GWU in Washington, DC (see http://h2m.exploremars.org).  Chris talked about the purpose of this conference, the logistics, registration, and the speakers.  We also went into some detail regarding the panels, their topics, and panel members, all of which are detailed on the H2M website.  We specifically talked about Inspiration Mars in both segments, risk taking, government regulation, and the level of the public’s interest in human spaceflight missions to Mars.  Financing HSF missions to Mars was another topic near the end of the first segment.

In the second segment, we focused on the Mars Generation Opinion Poll which can be found at www.exploremars.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Mars-Generation-Survey-full-report-March-7-2013.pdf.  Here, we went over several of the survey questions and the results, including questions pertaining to human spaceflight and Mars in light of our current budget constraints, why go to Mars in the first place, should we increase NASA’s budget to at least 1% of the federal budget, what are the biggest barriers to sending crews to Mars, the value of returning to the Moon as compared to going to Mars, and more.  I urge all of you to check out the opinion poll as it had some interesting and surprising results, at least from my perspective.  Later in this segment, a listener asked Chris about both the Mars One mission and the Inspiration Mars flyby mission.  Don’t miss what Chris had to say about both proposed missions.  Another listener asked if Explore Mars thought human spaceflight to Mars was near term, hence the H2M Summit.  Don’t miss what Chris said in response to this question and his idea of a time line for a human mission to Mars.  We also talked about the public’s view that any HSF Mars Mission would involve the public sector, preferably with the private sector.  We concluded our discussion by again referencing the upcoming Humans 2 Mars Summit.

If you have any questions or comments, please post them on The Space Show blog.  You can contact Chris Carberry or get more information about the upcoming conference by visiting the Explore Mars website.

Chris Carberry, Monday, 8-20-12 August 21, 2012

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Chris Carberry, Monday, 8-20-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1837-BWB-2012-08-20.mp3

Guest:  Chris Carberry.  Topics: Explore Mars programs, space policy & presidential campaigns, HSF to Mars.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Chris Carberry back to the show to update us on new Explore Mars programs and also to talk about space policy & issues as part of a presidential campaign. You can follow along on their website, www.exploremars.org.  In our first segment, Chris started out talking about the Curiosity rover on Mars and its impact on policy and programming back here on Earth.  He also told us about a website created by Explore Mars, www.getcurious.com.  This additional site focused on Curiosity, but also as you will hear, described their Mars boulder program, what happened and where the thousand pound boulders went after Curiosity landed.  During this segment, we had a lengthy discussion about space as a political priority in presidential campaigns and Chris told us why in his experience space policy does not typically enter a presidential campaign.  Later we both said that the biggest issue facing our space program and HSF to Mars is the lack of political will.  Chris went on to tell us about their upcoming Space Blitz on Capitol Hill on Sept. 12, 2012, a joint program and effort with the NSS.  Chris concluded the first segment by telling us about an Explore Mars upcoming conference on Mars education scheduled for May 6-8, 2013.

In the second segment, a listener asked Chris why Explore Mars targeted women in its programming. Don’t miss the explanation offered by Mr. Carberry.  By the way, as far as I know, Explore Mars is one of only a few, maybe the only organization, that does programming specifically for women in space and for Mars activities.  Chris returned to Mars and space policy in political campaigns as well as political agendas, both in Congress and among the nation’s general population.  Since Chris is from Massachusetts, he got a few questions asking about congressional races in the state and the space policy/positions of the candidates competing for house and senate seats.  Chris was unsure of the various space/Mars candidate positions but noted that neither space or Mars had been or would likely be a discussion topic in anyone’s campaign this year.  I then asked Chris if he could design a space policy for a political candidate and he said yes though he would have to be very careful about how the policy was put forth and debated.  Don’t miss this discussion! I did encourage him to create such a campaign and post it on a blog or website for general information available to any candidate of any party who actually is interested in space or Mars.  Later in the segment, we talked about the importance of a Mars sample return mission, the potential for the private sector to fund an HSF program to Mars, and what he thought the Mars program in particular would look like in five years.  As the show was ending, he was asked about a Martian moon mission to either Phobos or Deimos.  In his concluding comments, he mentioned the upcoming 50th anniversary of our leaving the Moon and not returning.  He said we can certainly do better than that.

Please post your comments/questions on the blog.  You can email Chris through the Explore Mars website.

Brent Sherwood, Tuesday, 7-24-12 July 25, 2012

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Brent Sherwood, Tuesday, 7-24-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1821-BWB-2012-07-24.mp3

Guest:  Brent Sherwood.  Topics: Human spaceflight to Mars: Is it on the path or a distraction?  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Brent Sherwood back to the show to discuss his GLEX paper and ideas regarding human spaceflight (HSF), Mars, and alternative NASA goals/missions regarding HSF.  His GLEX paper, “Mars-On the Path or in the Way” is posted on The Space Show blog following this program summary.  Please read & review his paper as it contains far more detail regarding his proposal, analysis and his conclusion than what we were able to discuss during our program.  In our first segment, Mr. Sherwood provided us with the background and context for his having written this paper and for his conclusion that HSF to Mars is not the right path. He then outlined alternative paths for HSF missions that he believes can better “regain the cultural centrality of human space flight and grow by attracting private capital.” Our guest talked about the value proposition of a HSF mission to Mars, plus the value proposition of the alternatives he describes in his paper & on this program.  The value proposition is understood to refer to the value received by sending humans to Mars (or the alternative HSF missions) as compared to the value of the mission costs, the opportunity costs, risks, etc.  Mr. Sherwood assesses the value proposition for all of his alternative HSF proposals which include the Explore Mars mission, lunar settlement, space passenger travel, and SSP.  For most of this initial segment, Brent outlined his ideas and explained why he has concluded that HSF to Mars does not measure up as a value promise & why SSP is his first choice.  We began taking listener email questions and phone calls after he summarized his position  & as you can imagine, most all the listener questions/comments were of the challenging nature to his conclusion that HSF to Mars was not in the best interest of our space program.  I urge you read his paper and to pay attention to the technical, cost, time line, and historical information shared with us by our guest.

In the second segment of this nearly two hour program, Brent took questions and expanded more as to why he supports other options than HSF to Mars.  He also explained why he is calling for a debate on this issue within the space community.  At the start of this segment, I asked him if he thought discovering life on Mars would change his opinion and the value proposition.  He said no but did say it would expedite the Martian sample return mission, but would not alter the variables & unknowns involved in the magnitude of technology challenges needing resolution before sending humans safely to and from Mars.  Toward the end of our discussion, I asked how he might move forward to implement the industry debate he has called for on this show & in his paper.  Suggestions on how to do this are wanted so if you have any, post them on the blog.

Brent would like your feedback so after listening to this program and reading his paper, please post comments/questions on the blog.  You can email Brent Sherwood by sending your note to me & I will forward it to him.

Brent Sherwood’s GLEX Paper:

Mars-On the Path or In the Way?