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Dr. Charles Lurio, Tuesday, 11-10-15 November 11, 2015

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Dr. Charles Lurio, Tuesday, 11-10-15

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Guest: Dr. Charles Lurio.  Topic:  Commercial Space law updates, NASA, SLS, HSF, space leadership plus more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed back Dr. Charles Lurio for this comprehensive commercial space update plus Dr. Lurio took a hard look at human spaceflight.  During the first segment of our nearly 1 hour 55 minute show, Charles started with the news that broke just before airtime that congress had approved the new commercial space legislation.  The House and Senate compromised on the learning period extending it to 2023.  Charles hit on some highlights of the bill but said he had not yet had time to read the final version since the news literally broke minutes before air time.  Other first segment discussion topics included the return to flight for Falcon 9 and the Cygnus which will launch on an Atlas 5 until Antares has a return to flight sometime early next year.  Charles talked about the new Russian rocket motor for Antares and its relationship to other major Russian rocket motors.  Next, we talked about the NASA delay for the commercial cargo awards and their letter to Boeing saying that the cargo version of the CST 100 was no longer under consideration.  Charles speculated that the delay might have been taken to allow for return to flight for the Falcon and for the Cygnus on the Atlas 5.  Paul in NY emailed Charles asking for him to tell us his favorite commercial space company and his favorite NewSpace company.  Charles said he loved SpaceX and commented on them moving the ground in the launch industry.  He said he has always been a fan of XCOR and gave us some update at to the XCOR progress and challenges, especially in their wing production.  Charles also said that the asteroid mining companies, particularly Deep Space Industries, were starting to attract foreign capital as he mentioned investment interest from the Czech Republic.  I asked Charles if he was satisfied with the way the industry was developing so far.  He said he was amazed with it and what has happened so far, but made the point that commercial space was far from being on easy street.  He then explained his comments listing examples to support his comments.  I asked him about the NASA Roadmap to Mars and he repeated back to me, you meant the “Jokemap” to Mars?  That should provide you with a clue as to the rest of the discussion on this topic.  Before the break, Don called from New Hampshire to talk about radiation, Brookhaven, and human spaceflight.  Charles and Don talked about shielding, the lack of real quality experiments plus finding out answers to other needed questions for HSF BELO including life support systems, microgravity, plus lots more. Charles concluded that NASA was not serious about space, something many guests have said over and over again in recent years.  Don said the system management was shortsighted.  Charles said what we needed was a new NACA, not so much NASA.  This remained a theme for Charles for the rest of the show.  Before ending the call, Don talked about Japanese radiation experiments and equipment that NASA won’t use, citing NE213 and a newer version, EJ301.

 

In the second segment, I asked Charles what would be a reasonable set of expectations for our commercial and HSF program given the state of comprehensive matters facing the US and the world at this time in 2015.  Charles had some very interesting things to say in response to this question which actually commanded most of the second segment.  A subtopic in this discussion was the subject of technology and technology development.  Again, don’t miss what he said about technology.  I asked Charles about the development of cislunar space and the Moon.  He would welcome both but listen to all of what he had to say about this because he repeated himself that we were not doing anything.  Doug in S. California called in with multiple questions for Charles about what was needed for a flyby to Mars and more.  It appeared to me that Doug was not getting what Charles was talking about though Charles kept saying that Doug was not asking the right set of questions.  In summary, I think Doug was suggesting technology advancements lowering costs for example, would compel policy makers and the public to support and create the space policy we seem to yearn for when this subject comes up on the show. Charles kept repeating that the technology to be used was not the issue. Instead, the issue was political in that there was no will to do things, no leadership.  Since this is something I have ranted about on many Space Show programs, I supported Charles on the leadership issue and I do believe that having the will to do something serious in space and having the leadership to actually get policies in place that can be implemented are much bigger problems than the technology or even the financial side of things.  Once the policy and will are there, implementation is next and that is when technology will be looked at and decided upon.  See what you think about this discussion with Dr. Doug.  Later, on the same subject, Charles said it was very difficult to change society attitudes.  Doug Messier emailed in comments that it was easy to rant on NASA but pointed out the slow going of many commercial space projects from suborbital development to rocket development.  Doug suggested that had progress been faster, leadership and some of the issues Charles was bringing up would be there and the industry might be different today.  Both Charles and I agreed with Doug Messier except the reality on the ground is what has to be dealt with and for which solutions are needed regarding moving the commercial industry and HSF forward.  As the show was ending, Charles said development would not and does not follow a predicted path.  He also said that it was possible for there to be “moments of great acceleration” that could jump us forward.  This subject has not come up in recent years on TSS but it is worth noting that one cannot count on or build project around the hope for serendipity to change something.  Great if it happens but no way can one count on or plan  on it happening.  In the end, Charles and I both said that there is far more leadership awareness today than yesterday. I suggested that from Space Show interviews, lots of bright people were focused on solving this problem and I had faith that it would be solved though I had no idea of a timeline or what the solution would look like.  Charles concluded that commercial space and HSF will continue to evolve incrementally over time on an unpredicted path.

 

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Dr. Donald Rapp, Monday, 4-20-15 April 21, 2015

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Dr. Donald Rapp, Monday, 4-20-15

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2457-BWB-2015-04-20.mp3

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Guest:  Dr. Donald Rapp.  We discussed using indigenous resources to facilitate HSF to Mars, then the great climate change debate based on facts not agendas.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed back to the show Dr. Donald Rapp to discuss two important topics.  In the first segment we addressed using indigenous resources to facilitate human spaceflight to Mars and the MOXIE experiment on Mars 2020.  In the second segment, Dr. Rapp examined the climate change debate without out preconceived belief systems by an honest examination of the data.  To start our first segment, Dr. Rapp talked about the massive amounts of propellant needed for a human mission to Mars which then led us to discussing using resources on Mars to make propellant for the return to Earth.  Our guest was asked about going to Mars via the Moon and using lunar ice to make propellant for the Mars mission.  This proved to be quite a mini-discussion as Dr. Rapp was skeptical about the use of lunar resources including water ice as an assist for a manned Mars mission.  Many listeners asked him challenging questions about his position and conclusions do don’t miss this important discussion.  Later in the segment a listener asked Dr. Rapp about the potential benefits of using nuclear power and nuclear propulsion.  This too was a fascinating mini-discussion so don’t miss it, especially the call on the subject from listener Kris.  Dr. Rapp was asked about the MOXIE experiment which we talked about at length, then he was asked about the need for heavy lift rockets to Mars.  Our guest supported heavy lift which he defined as a 100-120 tons to LEO.

 

In the second segment, climate change was our main topic.  Here he talked about extreme agendas by both the climate alarmists and the climate skeptics and said a new group was emerging which he called the “lukewarmists” who actually and honestly evaluated the data without a preconceived belief system.  Dr. Rapp went through the known facts, the history of the subject, the warming periods, the CO2 levels and where on Earth warming mostly took place though there has been no warming from 1998-2015.  We talked about sunspots and climate change and the impact of El Nino and La Nina.  He also talked about global energy usage and the projected increases for the 21st century and beyond.  The increasing use of power and pollution by China and India were important factors in this discussion.  Listeners had many questions for him including many wanting a way to deal with excessive, costly and unscientific regulations that are forced on the people by politicians who don’t know the facts and have an agenda to their behavior.  No solutions were offered.  A teacher wrote in about the challenges she has teaching factual climate change to her students because parents on both sides of the issue come in and complain that the “truth” was not being taught in the class.  Dr. Rapp offered us concluding remarks around the basic idea that everything is complicated including sending humans to Mars and dealing with climate change issues.

 

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Webinar: SLS Debate with John Hunt, Rick Boozer, Sunday, 11-16-14 November 17, 2014

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Webinar: SLS Debate with John Hunt, Rick Boozer, Sunday, 11-16-14

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Guests:  Webinar with Rick Boozer, John Hunt.  Topics:  Our guests debated the merits of the SLS rocket.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.   Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.  We welcomed Rick Boozer and John Hunt to the program for our special WEBINAR SLS Debate.  You can hear the audio only for this debate as you would any Space Show program.  The video can be found on our Vimeo Space Show Channel, http://vimeo.com/channels/thespaceshow.  Regarding the video, my microphone lock was not working so you will see the mic swing to in front of my face from time to time.  Also, I look down a bit as I take notes to be able to summarize  the discussion.  These issues will be corrected for the next webinar. Rick’s book on the subject, “The Plundering of NASA: An Expose” is available on Amazon.  If you purchase the book and I hope you do, please use the OGLF/Space Show Amazon portal so Amazon will make a contribution to TSS.  Instructions are on the website, the blog, and all program archive summaries.

During the first segment of our two hour webinar, both John and Rick made five minute opening statements followed by a 2.5 minute rebuttal of the position statement by the other guest.  Rick Boozer does not support SLS and John Hunt does support it.  John went first, putting forth a good summary of why he supports SLS, the benefits it provides, and the importance of the project.  Rick’s opening statement outlined why he opposes the SLS rocket, calling it an “existential threat.”  He also said SLS was a “rocket to nowhere.”  The opening statements provided the basic positions for both guests as they debated all aspects of SLS so do carefully listen to their respective position comments.  We took both calls and emails from listeners.  Evon emailed in wanting to know what the money saved from SLS would best be spent on.  John pointed out that there was no assurance that any savings would even be spent on space let alone his priorities.  While Rick agreed, he did list several projects he felt far more deserving of funding, including using the funds to speed up the commercial crew program since it has never been funded to the level requested by the President.  Rick took the opportunity to bring up cost plus contracting and why it was not suitable for a more mature manufacturing project, instead being best suited for R&D projects.  He said that was a driver in the high cost of SLS.  In contrast, John cited his aviation experience with the A12 and P7 aircraft using fixed price contracts, cancellations, and more.  Dr. Doug sent in a note asking about the fundamental need for a heavy lift rocket.  Our guests had a different take on Doug’s question so listen to how they answered it.  Rick pointed out the advantages of the SpaceX Falcon Heavy as compared to the initial SLS version.  In fact, comparisons to Falcon Heavy plus future SpaceX plans and public remarks made by Elon Musk were cited frequently by Rick throughout the program.  John, while applauding the SpaceX accomplishments so far, strongly suggested that we see what the performance actually is on the SpaceX  rockets yet to be tested & flown.  John said we should not be in a hurry to cancel SLS in favor of unproven and as of yet nonexistent technology.  Tim from Huntsville called during this segment to inquire about SLS in light of Falcon 9 success, reusability success and more.  John suggested that reusability would be an important step forward but wanted to wait to see what it looked like when & if it becomes operationally successful.

In the second half of our webinar, Dr. Doug called & inquired about both the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy as compared to SLS.  Rick referenced an Elon Musk MIT video talk, www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/elon-musk-mit-interview-video-24-oct-2014.  Rick referenced this talk several times during this segment.  Rick also said SLS would not be going anywhere as there was no budget for its completion.  He cited the references to back up his claims.  Doug also inquired about public/private partnerships, ULA working with Blue Origin, and ULA with Masten.  Andrew sent in an email asking each guest to outline a viable sequence of launch vehicle development and payloads using what hardware.  John took the opportunity to reply to Rick’s budget comments and said there was no way to know what a future congress and administration would do and he listed the rational for keeping SLS going given our state of uncertainty with many space and international issues.  Jerry called from Florida to inquire about the SpaceX super heavy rocket with methane engines as well as the possibility of using a Dragon as a lander.  Adrian emailed a question to our guests wondering if the Chinese lunar program would create a space race or urgency here in the U.S.  Rick then talked about the likelihood of SpaceX getting to deep space before NASA & this would be an embarrassment for NASA and the SLS/Orion gang.  John did agree that if that happened, it would be an embarrassment for NASA.  Kirk emailed in asking Rick about his opening statement when he said SLS would cause the US to rely on Russian in ways other than eating into the commercial budget. He wanted Rick to tell us the other ways such Russian reliance might unfold.  Listen to how Rick responded to Kirk’s question.  Each of our guests provided us with an excellent five minute closing statement.  Rick said the situation was very serious and had the potential to adversely impact the prominence and leadership of the U.S.  Don’t miss his concluding comments.  John reminded us that SLS was the program of record approved on a bipartisan basis, that it was important to have heavy lift capability, and that it preserved skills, work force talent, and needed capabilities for the nation for times when space would be better appreciated & valued.  He said the problems with SLS were all solvable & would be solved as the project moved forward.  Rick quickly got in a question on what capabilities were needed and being preserved!

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Open Lines, Sunday, 4-27-14 April 28, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 4-27-14

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Guest:  Open Lines with Dr. David Livingston.  Topics:  SpaceX reusability, reusability assumption making, fly back boosters, “Space, Inc.”  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Welcome to our Open Lines discussion.  During the first segment of our two hour seven minute show, I went over suggested topics including the upcoming SpaceX lawsuit, reusability, the Earth-like planet discovered by Kepler, ISDC 2014 & more.  By far, the topic of choice for the entire program was SpaceX reusability though the other topics did come up during both segments of the program.  Doug from S. California called first and took up most of the first segment to praise SpaceX reusability, to let us know his thoughts on the subject and the type of assumption making he uses.  While I agree on the importance of the success of the SpaceX reusability work so far, I had a departure from Doug on his conclusions and analysis.  Doug was unflinching in his approach to the subject, his analysis, his assumption making process, and his conclusions. I repeatedly asked for aerospace engineers to call in to give us their views on the subjects as Doug and I do not work in the field nor are we engineers.  Unfortunately, that did not happen until the very end of the show when Dr. Lurio called in about some of the issues Doug and I talked about.  So you listen and decide.  If you have comments and thoughts about our discussion, post them for all to see and learn from on TSS blog.  During our discussion, Kelly, another John, and others sent critical emails to me to read on air. We also talked about pricing strategy, reusable penalties, and Doug’s unwavering support in the public discussion comments by SpaceX executives.

In the second segment, John called in from Ft. Worth to clarify what he had said a few months back given that Doug recalled the comments and mentioned them during his call.  John had much to question about reusability, especially with a fly back booster to a land designation.  He talked about economics, reusable launch penalties for added mass and fuel, plus ideas for water landing locations.  I repeated the comments offered on launch penalties made by Ms. Shotwell when she was on the show last month.  She said the Falcon rockets were designed for reusability so any launch penalties were already factored in and discounted so there were none.  We also talked Falcon Heavy & how it might benefit from reusability.  Tim called from Huntsville to talk about heavy lift & delays in depot turnaround times.  I asked listeners if anyone had seen the Al Jazeera America Fault Line documentary last week, “Space, Inc.”  I gave my opinion that it was a type of hatchet job on private/commercial space and that editing made many people look a bit off or less than serious.  The program is not yet archived but if anyone has a copy of it, I will post if for our audience to see.  Tim never saw the documentary but had much critical to say about it, but without his having actually seen it, I had to discount his comments.  Dr. Charles Lurio called in to say that were probably many ways/solutions to do reusability from wings to no wings. He made a strong point saying there was no single solution.

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