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Dr. Jeff Bell, Monday, 3-24-14 March 25, 2014

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Dr. Jeff Bell, Monday, 3-24-14

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Guest:  Dr. Jeff Bell.  Topics:  Dr. Bell discussed a broad range of space ventures including human spaceflight.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.   For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Jeff Bell & was at his best for blunt talk, specifically the need for a winning rational for human spaceflight (HSF).  For those of you new to Dr. Bell, hold on tight for a ride that will likely be upsetting.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 58 minute program, Dr. Bell started with saying he was pessimistic over the future of human spaceflight.  In fact, this was an overriding theme throughout the full discussion.  He said it was more than just not properly telling the story either by NASA or space advocates.  He said there was no winning rational for the need or the urgency of HSF.  While he was pessimistic on HSF, he was just the opposite on science, robotic, & unmanned missions which he said were doing well & in a class of their own.  He also talked about the success of satellites & that part of the commercial industry.  Listeners challenged him during the show.  He got several emails regarding space settlement which Jeff addressed in terms of his perspective on HSF.  He also nixed the idea of leaving Earth as a safety valve for when Earth might be destroyed by an incoming NEO.  This led Jeff to talk about planetary defense.  Tony called with an idea to keep a Martian settlement from freezing at night, a point Jeff talked about re Mars settlements.  A listener asked about radiation & magnetic fields.  Jeff said the atmosphere was more of a screen for Earth, again in a discussion about lunar & Martian settlements.  Jeff talked about Orion & SLS, various ideas for Mars missions & the NASA asteroid mission.  I asked Jeff what he was positive about & he replied the Russian space program & SpaceX with Elon.  He then spoke about some of the Russian programs he follows.  He was asked about space tourism & suborbital flights, then he spoke about SpaceShip2 problems, hybrid engine issues, Richard Branson & more.

In the second segment, he had more to say re SpaceShip2 & Branson.  Next, he was asked about space debris cleanup ideas being skeptical of them.  He was also skeptical of propellant depots.  He spoke about small boosters costing much more than using one large booster.  Pooley called in to support everything Jeff was talking about.  Dr. Bell was asked about Dream Chaser.  In general, Jeff was very critical of lifting bodies & their CG problems.  Listeners asked for his assessment of Inspiration Mars & Mars One which was not positive.  In his closing comments, he said HSF was probably mature & needed radical new technologies to make it cheaper & feasible.  I told him he should come back on the show, invite only callers & emails suggesting radically new & different technologies & he could assess the ideas.  Dr. Bell agreed to do that so watch the newsletter for this upcoming program.

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Dr. Scott Pace, Sunday, 9-1-13 September 1, 2013

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Dr. Scott Pace, Sunday, 9-1-13

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Guest: Dr. Scott Pace.  Topics:  U.S. space policy, leadership, international participation, HSF, and the importance of it to our nation and future.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm

We welcomed back Dr. Scott Pace to the program to discuss our space policy, leadership, the prospects for human spaceflight (HSF), and international participation.  For more information on what Dr. Pace talked about today, see http://thediplomat.com/2013/03/28/american-space-strategy-choose-to-steer-not-drift and www.spacepolicyonline.com/news/logsdon-and-pace-criticize-lack-of-white-house-leadership-on-nasa.  Dr. Pace stated that our national space policy was adrift which we discussed in some detail during this 1 hour 38 minute program.  In the first segment, I asked Dr. Pace to explain why our space policy was and is adrift.  He referred back to the 2010 National U.S. National Space Policy which he largely supported but the human spaceflight portions of it were weak.  We mostly focused on human spaceflight for this Space Show program.  I asked him about the forthcoming NRC Human Spaceflight Study underway for which he had several comments but said policy does not typically come from external organizations.  We talked about weakness in space policy leadership both with the White House and Congress.  Dr. Pace said that he believed HSF to be meaningful to our nation and our future, and he put forth the rational for this throughout both segments of our discussion.  Listener Mike Listner called in to ask questions about the European Code of Conduct which is in an ongoing evaluation process among many countries.  Dr. Paced talked about the concerns and benefits of the Code & I asked if at least in the U.S. the policy makers were considerate of commercial or private space (NewSpace) interests.  He said they were, especially within the State Department.  We also talked about humans to Mars missions, lunar return missions and Cis-lunar development.  Doug called to express his concerns regarding lunar and Cis-lunar missions and at one point Dr. Pace talked about how frontier lines actually move so what may not be doable today may be doable in the near future. 

We started the second segment with a call from John Hunt who talked about the need to have a space transportation system before we can return to the Moon or go anywhere.   This took us into the world of heavy lift rockets, Dream Chaser & routine spaceflight.  We also talked about Falcon Heavy and SLS.  We switched over for ITAR updates which Dr. Pace provided for us.  Space as a political issue for upcoming elections was discussed as were the much talked about NASA asteroid missions.  Near the end, Dr. Pace was asked about the Chinese program & their plans to do an end of the year lunar robotic mission.  Dr. Pace had much to say about the Chinese space program.  Dr. Pace did provide a summary for us saying that there are still great opportunities in space despite the challenges.  He made an excellent case for American space leadership & why its so important for us all. 

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Brent Sherwood, Tuesday, 7-24-12 July 25, 2012

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Brent Sherwood, Tuesday, 7-24-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1821-BWB-2012-07-24.mp3

Guest:  Brent Sherwood.  Topics: Human spaceflight to Mars: Is it on the path or a distraction?  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Brent Sherwood back to the show to discuss his GLEX paper and ideas regarding human spaceflight (HSF), Mars, and alternative NASA goals/missions regarding HSF.  His GLEX paper, “Mars-On the Path or in the Way” is posted on The Space Show blog following this program summary.  Please read & review his paper as it contains far more detail regarding his proposal, analysis and his conclusion than what we were able to discuss during our program.  In our first segment, Mr. Sherwood provided us with the background and context for his having written this paper and for his conclusion that HSF to Mars is not the right path. He then outlined alternative paths for HSF missions that he believes can better “regain the cultural centrality of human space flight and grow by attracting private capital.” Our guest talked about the value proposition of a HSF mission to Mars, plus the value proposition of the alternatives he describes in his paper & on this program.  The value proposition is understood to refer to the value received by sending humans to Mars (or the alternative HSF missions) as compared to the value of the mission costs, the opportunity costs, risks, etc.  Mr. Sherwood assesses the value proposition for all of his alternative HSF proposals which include the Explore Mars mission, lunar settlement, space passenger travel, and SSP.  For most of this initial segment, Brent outlined his ideas and explained why he has concluded that HSF to Mars does not measure up as a value promise & why SSP is his first choice.  We began taking listener email questions and phone calls after he summarized his position  & as you can imagine, most all the listener questions/comments were of the challenging nature to his conclusion that HSF to Mars was not in the best interest of our space program.  I urge you read his paper and to pay attention to the technical, cost, time line, and historical information shared with us by our guest.

In the second segment of this nearly two hour program, Brent took questions and expanded more as to why he supports other options than HSF to Mars.  He also explained why he is calling for a debate on this issue within the space community.  At the start of this segment, I asked him if he thought discovering life on Mars would change his opinion and the value proposition.  He said no but did say it would expedite the Martian sample return mission, but would not alter the variables & unknowns involved in the magnitude of technology challenges needing resolution before sending humans safely to and from Mars.  Toward the end of our discussion, I asked how he might move forward to implement the industry debate he has called for on this show & in his paper.  Suggestions on how to do this are wanted so if you have any, post them on the blog.

Brent would like your feedback so after listening to this program and reading his paper, please post comments/questions on the blog.  You can email Brent Sherwood by sending your note to me & I will forward it to him.

Brent Sherwood’s GLEX Paper:

Mars-On the Path or In the Way?

 

Dr. Phil Chapman, Friday, 3-23-12 March 24, 2012

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Dr. Phil Chapman, Friday, 3-23-12

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Guest:  Dr. Phil Chapman.  Topics:  The status of our human spaceflight program, NASA, commercial space.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Dr. Phil Chapman to suggest ways forward to improve our space program, specifically the human spaceflight (HSF) program.  Dr. Chapman started us off with an assessment that the NASA HSF program was at this time dismal.  Among the reasons cited were the likely number of U.S. astronauts that would be flying to the ISS through 2020 per the Soyuz and the fact that the pilots for U.S. astronauts will either be Russian or working for Space X.  All in all, he suggested that there might be 25-30 slots available and they would be filled by technicians.  During this nearly hour long first segment, he continued to summarize the problems and challenges, then he switched to probable solutions from the commercial side with a focus on Space X, the Falcon 9, and Dragon.  Phil had much to say about congressional support of SLS, the use of SRBs, and more.  He talked about the commercial value in returning to the Moon or going to an asteroid for Platinum Group Metals (PGM).  He indicated that future space activity had to be in support of settlement and commercialization.  Dr. Chapman then took us into an economic discussion and the need for space to be expanding, growing and developing new markets. As part of this discussion, both of us and the listeners had much to say about our policy makers. This brought up the “sustainable” discussion that many of you have heard before.  You do not want to miss Dr. Chapman’s economic discussion in this segment. Near the end of the segment, we talked about RLVs and the probable cost difference between a commercial venture and one undertaken by NASA.

In the second segment, Charles led off with a call suggesting a merger between Space X and Bigelow and simply bypassing NASA for everything.  After Charles finished, Phil talked about one probable driver for changing the space game, space solar power (SSP).  Dr. Chapman spent much of this segment laying out the case for SSP from a technical as well as economic/business perspective.  We also talked about policy and Zero G Zero Tax.  Public/Private partnerships were discussed and then Phil talked about international cooperation as compared to international competition.  Don’t miss this discussion.

If you have comments/questions for Dr. Phil Chapman, please post them on The Space Show blog URL above.  If you want to email Dr. Chapman, send your note to me and I will forward it to him.

 

Rick Tumlinson, Friday, 1-20-12 January 21, 2012

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Rick Tumlinson, Friday, 1-20-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1694-BWB-2012-01-20.mp3

Guest: Rick Tumlinson.  Topics:  Why Space, space vision, NewSpace, SLS, opening the space frontier.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Rick Tumlinson back to the program for this nearly two hour discussion of space vision, leadership, programming, SLS, advocacy and more.  In hour first 70 minute segment, Rick opened by talking about his ongoing op-ed series in the Huffington Post titled “Why Space?”  So far he has two issues uploaded to the Huffington Post & I urge you to read them.  You can see all of Rick’s articles on the Huffington Post at www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-tumlinson. During our discussion, Rick stressed the need for space settlement and talked about this during the entire program.  Additionally, Rick focused on the big picture space vision throughout our entire discussion.  In the first segment, SLS came up but it was also talked about later in the show.  Rick explained why he thought it was the wrong project for this point in time and had much to say about private industry launch & space transportation systems as compared to government programs.  When asked if he thought SLS could be appropriate as a placeholder, he said no but listen to what he had to say about this idea.  He talked about not picking winners and advocating a common sense space plan.  I asked him for his plan and how to implement it.  He then outlined a plan in several steps during the balance of the segment.  Don’t miss it.  Listeners called & asked questions about the Chinese space program and cooperation and the same with the Russians. 

In the second segment, Rick started us off with a discussion about the Frontier approach for space development.  He also talked about going to the Moon and why, but also about asteroids & Mars.  He said we need to develop the skills and the insitu experience for living & working in space.  Several times he mentioned that on the Moon and Mars we would be living underground due to the radiation.  Rick then talked about space habitats including O’Neil like space stations/habitats.  Several listeners asked about the role of HSF in developing our understanding of the universe, specifically for 2012 and beyond.  John from Atlanta called in to talk about the lack of civility coming from the NewSpace community toward old space.  This produced a spirited give & take with Rick which in a way focused on “guarantees” for the commercial company success as compared to government rocket programs.  John suggested it was a bit risky putting all the “eggs” in unproven commercial company baskets when we know the government launch vehicle will work as long as the program is not cancelled.  Don’t miss what John and Rick had to say.. Toward the end, Rick talked about the Texas Space Alliance & his new organization, EarthLight Institute. He provided us with substantial detail about the EarthLight Institute plans, their website which is under construction,  plus the book on asteroids that he is working on and will be out around the end of the year.  He was asked about his continuing role with the Space Frontier Foundation & the activities of SFF.

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Dr. Roger Handberg, Monday, 1-16-12 January 17, 2012

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Dr. Roger Handberg, Monday, 1-16-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1691-BWB-2012-01-16.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Roger Handberg.  Topics:  Space policy, leadership, Asia space, ISS, & more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Dr. Roger Handberg to the program for a comprehensive space policy discussion.  During this program, several of his recent Space Review articles were referenced and I urge you to read them.  See Dec. 19, 2011 “ISS Next: chasing humanity’s future in space and the ‘next logical step” (www.thespacereview.com/article/1993/1).  Also Nov. 21, 2011, “American human spaceflight and future options, short-and long-term” (www.thespacereview.com/article/1974/1. Our discussion started with a brief overview of U.S. space policy for the new year 2012.  Dr. Handberg said our policy was in a state of confusion and described the situation around the Kennedy Space Center as practically in shutdown mode. We talked history and what it was like in 1970 before shuttle.  Dr. Handberg then talked about our robust science missions and projects but  they don’t get the attention like HSF & it is the HSF missions that are the problem.  Dr. Handberg referenced the Augustine report and SLS. He also said the Chinese were moving ahead though they were still several decades behind the U.S.  We then talked about the need to think beyond the SLS & beyond the existing ISS which has a limited remaining lifespan.  In fact, thinking big and beyond the ISS is a major theme in his Dec. 19, 2011 Space Review article. We spent considerable time discussing what was next for the U.S. after the ISS.  Our guest said we were at risk of repeating one of the major failures of Apollo, that is, what to do after the program ends.  In this case, what does the U.S. do after the ISS ends?  His analysis of the problem pointed to our having no clear vision and a strong need to reorganize the political system because NASA budgets are done yearly so no budget is ever finalized.  He confirmed what many others have said and that was that president’s don’t care about space. We addressed commercial and private space, both for space stations and launch vehicles.  Anthony in the UK asked him what he thought the single event might be for people to say we’ve now been overtaken. Dr. Handberg suggested that point might come when the ISS ends its life and there is nothing else while the Chinese have their own space station and are still going forward. 

In the second segment, I asked our guest for his thoughts on how college students have changed over his long teaching career.  Don’t miss this discussion.  You might be surprised by what he had to say.  Listeners asked him if and when he thought SLS would be cancelled for budgetary reasons.  His response was most interesting.  Other listeners asked more questions about SLS, the shut down of Constellation, the private HSF effort, and space markets.  Near the end of the program, Maria asked him how to get Congress to consider space as an investment, not an expense.  He said that today, all government spending is considered an expense and while space is an investment, thinking it will be treated that way  by congress is to be in political denial.  As the program was ending, I asked our guest how to make space advocacy more effective. He said we needed to get space conscious (not necessarily advocates) in key positions within government & the administration.  He named a few positions as examples.  Finally, we talked about the Outer Space Treaty, the EU Code of Conduct, & bringing back the National Space Council. 

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Wes Oleszewski, Sunday, 12-11-11 December 11, 2011

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Wes Oleszewski, Sunday, 12-11-11

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1670-BWB-2011-12-11.mp3

Guest:  Wes Oleszewski.  Topics:  Commercial versus government launch vehicles, space policy, civility.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  The Space Show/OGLF is now engaged in its annual fundraising drive. Please see & act upon our appeal at https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/space-show-2011-fundraising-campaign. We welcomed back Wes Oleszewski to the show to discuss space policy, commercial as compared to government launch vehicles and much more.  Follow his space cartoon Klyde Morris at www.klydemorris.com.  You can also read the Aero-News article we discussed, “U.S. Spaceflight: Commercial Versus Federal at  www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=b3a012c0-812b-46d7-b58c-fb8959bd3509.  Our first segment was about 70 minutes out of this 2.5 hour show. We talked about the lack of civility in the space advocacy/enthusiast community as well as the Kool-Aid and lack of realism in some parts of the advocacy/enthusiast organizations.  This applied to space fans as well.  This discussion soon gave way to the SLS topic.  Our guest was supportive of it but got several listener questions stating why so many objected to it.  We talked about its lack of a mission but Wes did define its mission as a preliminary mission in that it was being built for beyond low Earth orbit (BLEO) with the rest to be decided later.  I asked our guests about the likelihood of it being built given the track record of NASA and Congress plus OMB in canceling these projects.  Wes then talked about the roles of Congress and OMB and our space budget. This brought us to our national spending and budget crisis and the space program in general  Other listeners phoned in and emailed us citing the NewSpace perspective on SLS. Don’t miss what Wes had to say about this.  Next, Space X came up as did the process of taking government money and how that might separate a new “commercial” company from other aerospace contractors.  Marshall called us about risk and demo flights, and then we got into a detailed discussion of thrust oscillation (TO) for the Ares 1.  We talked about some advocates making ATK into a villain and Space X and other new companies into saints.  I had much to say about ATK as being evil and Dr. Jurist called in to again tell what happened when he did real due diligence with ATK on the TO issue.  All three of us were very clear and definite in saying the attacks on ATK and other proven companies were unwarranted.  In our second long segment, Wes said we should not have retired the shuttle.  We talked about Mars missions and the origins of the MRI medical device.  Atlanta John called in to be supportive of SLS and its mission.  Jim sent in an email explaining why many are supportive of heavy lift but not supportive of SLS.  We talked about the lack of public awareness regarding space matters.  I then got off on one of my rants about the value of space which took us to STEM education.  We again returned to his theme that we in the advocacy/enthusiast community should be far more united.  When asked about individual organization goals such as the Moon, Mars, the frontier, etc, Wes clearly recommended we subordinate these interests to the overall good of speaking with a untied voice.  For his concluding Pearls of Wisdom, he cautioned us against being space groupies so to speak or running with the cyber pack.  We should avoid group think.  He said space was a team effort requiring all of us to be involved in supporting the team.  If you have questions/comments for Wes, please post them on the blog URL above.