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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14 September 24, 2014

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Dr. Frank Martin, Tuesday, 9-23-14

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Guest:  Dr. Frank Martin.  Topic:  The NRC “Pathways to Exploration: Rationales and Approaches for a U.S. Program of Human Space Exploration” report.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Frank Martin to the program to discus the NRC human spaceflight study along with all aspects of human spaceflight including various destinations and missions.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 39 minute show, Dr. Martin introduced us to the NRC Pathways study which you can download for free by using Google.  He suggested it was a dose of reality as well as optimism.  He said the study was very clear in saying “show me the money” for those wanting to do humans to Mars missions now or fairly soon and then explained some of the high costs and trades involved in these missions.  One of his overriding themes throughout our discussion was the need to manage a very large mass in LEO in order to accomplish the goals of long duration human space mission.  During our segment, we kept coming back to the need to manage a large mass in LEO and how this translated to costs as well as the need for technology advancement.  Both myself and listeners asked our guest about doing human missions cheaper by using the private sector.  This subject kept coming up during both segments of the program.  We also addressed the rational for human spaceflight.  In addition, the issue of walking away from HSF was looked at for the US as a nation as that is an option. The report attempted to address this and related issues.   Joe sent in an email about the mice on the ISS and using them to determine the gravity RX for HSF.  He sent us several additional emails on this subject as well.  This prompted comments about the need to use the ISS for research in support of long duration HSF missions.  Dr. Martin said Mars was an horizon goal.  In this context, he talked about only a few other possible destinations near us, either the Moon or an asteroid.  He then proceeded to address the issue of managing the risk for a Mars mission.  Beverly asked a budget question and taking the lead from the most recent Mike Griffin interview, she asked Frank if it really was just a choice to be constrained by budget issues.  While Frank agreed it was a choice, he said there were very good ways and choices to spend taxpayer money so he did not see significantly more money for space in the future.  Another listener talked about nuclear propulsion which also crossed into the second segment.  Near the end of the first segment, we got a call from a New Zealand listener.  During his call, the idea of the Buzz Aldrin Mars cycler came up and there was a question or two about fuel depots.

In the second segment, I asked Dr. Martin why the study took 18 months, then SLS John called the program.  John wanted to talk nuclear propulsion thinking it would be a cost saver but what was not known was the accurate cost of the R&D program or the cost for jumping through political hurdles.  John suggested a new administration would make a difference and I challenged that.  I asked Frank given all his years of space industry experience if it was reasonable to expect big changes in space policy due to a change in administrations.  Don’t miss Frank’s reply.  Dwayne called back to question the HSF rational. One of the points made by Dwayne was that cooperation with the Russians on the ISS does not modify Russia’s behavior other than for space.

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Greg Cecil, Friday, 6-27-14 June 28, 2014

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Greg Cecil, Friday, 6-27-14

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Guest:  Greg Cecil.  Topics: STEM for Middle School students, human spaceflight, Mars & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Greg Cecil back to the program for this 1 hour 37 minute discussion.  During our first segment, Greg summarized his space shuttle experience when working on the thermal protection system at KSC, talked about keeping in touch with former shuttle employees and letting us know that in his opinion, shuttle was retired too early.  After the shuttle program was closed down, Greg began consulting and teaching science to middle school students.  He talked about the difference in a public inner city school as compared to teaching in a private school.  His observations are important, especially about parent involvement  & support in the student’s education.  Greg devised space related projects for the students & created scientific experiments to fly with the J.P. Aerospace high altitude balloon flights.  Greg described some of the experiments and the benefits in working with John Powell of J.P. Aerospace.  We talked about the impact of the flights and making the payloads.  I asked if the impact will remain with them as they go through school, possibly in selecting a space or science education and career.  Greg also attended the recent Explore Mars Humans2Mars Conference and here he offered us many valuable observations.  Listen to what he had to say about NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden’s talk, then later the talk given by NewSpace advocate and co-founder of the Space Frontier Foundation, Rick Tumlinson.  The differences between the two talks and approaches led to Greg’s conversion to being a NewSpace proponent.  Greg talked about SpaceX and suggested it was risky for any one company to be the face of NewSpace, either intentionally or by chance.

In the second segment, Greg talked about the movie, “I want To Be An Astronaut.”  Doug emailed in a comment based on our first segment discussion given Greg’s comment about NASA budgets being tight & being a show stopper for grandiose HSF missions such as those to Mars & as reported in the NRC Pathways HSF study.  Greg responded to Doug, then I let got with one of my infamous rants directed not just at Doug but we space enthusiasts in general for having lousy communication skills.  In this instance, my rant was about Doug focusing on technology and never ever making the case for the WHY or the need to do what he suggested in his question.  Greg then spoke to the importance of knowing your customer, congressman, market, and effectively communicating the WHY & the NEED.  Later, after the rant and aftermath of the volcanic eruption, Greg spoke to how best to approach members of congress and state legislatures.  We then talked about the RD-180 engine, SLS, & HSF spaceships.  As our discussion was ending, Greg pointed out the risks associated with putting all our HSF eggs in one basket and one company.  He closed by saying never give up plus he provided his email address at the end of the show.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Greg through me or the address he gave out on air as the show was ending.

John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 11-27-13 November 28, 2013

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John Batchelor Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 11-27-13

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Guests: John Batchelor, Dr. Robert Zubrin.  Topics:  Manned Mars missions with Russian participation.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm).

During our 11 minute plus discussion, John and Dr. Robert Zubrin discussed manned missions to Mars with Russian participation.  Unfortunately, I was unable to participate due to a lousy cell phone connection as I was at a friend’s house for a party.   During the segment, Dr. Zubrin made several important points given he had just returned from Russia.  He said he found lots of people willing to do a joint Mars human mission with us but also many want to turn the clock back to Cold War days.  He had much to say about Putin and why a manned Mars mission would go a long way toward neutralizing the dark forces within Russia, including Putin.  Bob talked about advancing humanity and the investment in human capital as the return we would all benefit from in a human Mars mission.  Dr. Zubrin’s motivation for the joint Russian -US manned Mars mission seemed right on the target to me and those at the party listening to the segment on one of Batchelor’s streaming internet stations.

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Dr. George Robinson, Tuesday, 2-26-13 February 27, 2013

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Dr. George Robinson, Tuesday, 2-26-13

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Guest: Dr. George Robinson.  Topics:  Human species survival via space habitation BLEO.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed back Dr. George Robinson to the show to discuss the imperative of human space development and the need to migrate to space and BLEO for human species survival.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 55 minute program, Dr. Robinson put forth the basics supporting human species survival through space migration and permanent space habitation.  During this initial segment, he introduced us to many concepts and components that support space migration.  For example, we talked about the need for the creation of a unique private sector, specifically a cyber sovereign company or venture.  Our guest also talked about these issues from the point of view of his being an evolutionary biologist with a background in biology and chemistry and serving as an evolutionary biologist throughout his legal, teaching, consulting and business career.  Listeners asked our guest about space settlement as opposed to space migration and George explained the difference.  Our guest also talked about species extinction and said humans were no exception to the threat of species extinction which is why species survival has become an important issue, one even considered by NASA, DARPA, and other national and international government agencies.  Dr. Robinson introduced us to the Space Propulsion Synergy Team (SPST) and their October 2012 White Paper, “The Justification for Human Space Development and Habitation Beyond Low Earth Orbit: An Invitation for an Open National and Global Dialogue.”  You can download this paper at http://www.eaglehill.us/subscriberSPAEVO/pdfs-policy-series/SPAEVO-policy-1.pdf.  George supports the paper but does not think NASA is in a position to do this and in fact supports replacing NASA with a more nationally directed international space agency working toward species survival and space migration.  The role of those not migrating to space was also discussed as they too have an important part to play in species survival.  As this segment ended, George got a question about the newly proposed human Mars 501 day orbital loop flight.  George suggested better options to support species survival & migration.

In our second segment, Dr. Robinson went into more detail about a cyber sovereign entity and the role of the private sector, plus the need for a unique global private sector. He further developed the role of the population in species survival, specifically for those not migrating to space.  He received questions about current leadership and leadership challenges both here and around the world.  We talked about public perception, species survival and space migration as hard sell issues to the public and our leaders.  The need to have risk capital was discussed.  In the context of risk capital, we talked about U.S. & global economic problems & the risk of excessive government regulation.  As our program was ending, Dr. Robinson and I talked about the white paper recommendation for a national and global dialogue regarding these issues.

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Frank Stratford, Friday, 11-16-12 November 17, 2012

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Frank Stratford, Friday, 11-16-12

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Guest: Frank Stratford.   Topics:  Human spaceflight to Mars.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed back Frank Stratford of Mars Drive (www.marsdrive.com) to update us on his latest thoughts regarding human Mars missions.  You can read his latest Space Review article, “Which Way To Mars” from Oct. 22, 2012 at www.thespacereview.com/article/2174/1.  In this article and during our first segment, Frank put forth two options for HSF to Mars.  The first option he called the “miracle gift.”  The second option he refers to as “step by step.”  During this segment, Frank discussed both options in detail.  He talked at length about what is realistic and plausible compared to being in the realm of fantasy regarding humans to Mars. A listener asked him if the less than plausible ventures were a distraction or even if they were destructive to the effort to put humans on Mars.  Frank did not think so and citied YouTube hits for Mars advocacy & other groups as compared to a YouTube viral Korean song that is approaching 750 million hits (www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0). This made the point very clearly that space and even humans to Mars does not command the interest or attention of the public in any way like our pop culture.  Frank also stressed the need for collaboration with the Mars advocacy groups rather then each one going its own way.  He mentioned several different organizations and one that he is supportive of, The Mars Initiative (http://marsinitiative.org). Callers asked Frank about the Mars Direct plan as the segment was ending.
     In our second segment, we talked about how to finance a humans to Mars mission.  Frank used a $10 billion price tag saying there were only a few ideas that would come in less than that but given so many unknowns about a humans to Mars mission, it was almost impossible to budget such a mission.  He talked about using a Falcon Heavy, fewer flights using the SLS, a flexible financing path, and more.  He also mentioned the upcoming Mars Expo 2013 in the UK which you can read about on the Mars Drive website. As the program was ending, we talked about Mars Drive and the spin-off by one of the Mars Drive supporters, Mars Drive Lab.  At the end, I challenged Frank for his action plan, that is how to bring to life what we had been talking about.  You will find this a most interesting discussion.  Frank left us with a final selling point: “A humans to Mars mission brings us the technology and jobs of tomorrow today.”
     If you have comments/questions for Frank Stratford, please post them on The Space Show blog.