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Duane Hyland, Monday, 3-19-12 March 20, 2012

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Duane Hyland, Monday, 3-19-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1738-BWB-2012-03-19.mp3

Guest:  Duane Hyland.  Topics:  Guidelines for the Art of Persuasion in taking the case for space beyond the space community.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Duane Hyland to the program to discuss the guidelines for persuading others in an argument or debate. Mr. Hyland, a winning debate coach, provided us with important guidelines for making a persuasive argument.  Our guest started with Aristotle and the three elements needed for winning the argument: Ethos (authority, credibility), Logos (logic), & Pathos (emotional).  You can find out more from this concise summary: http://courses.durhamtech.edu/perkins/aris.html.  Another statement of the argument was provided by Stephen Toulmin of Austria who later came to the U.S. In the 1960s, he developed CWI Model (Claim, Warrant, &Impact).  Listen how Duane describes the Toulmin Model of Argumentation.  You can read more about it on the web but here is a brief summary:  www.forensicsonline.net/forum/uploads/1/827212498280123410.pdf. Check the section titled “Instruction.”  Once Duane explained the basic components of a winning argument, we talked about specific examples in the space enthusiast community as well as Space Show interviews some of my experiences in public speaking & in being part of panel discussions.  One of the early points Duane made was that we can easily get carried away by our emotions, forgetting to properly frame the argument.  Another point made was about the overuse of technology.  I asked him about rants & Duane strongly advised against them. He talked about supporting the claim with facts, controlling an audience, & the effective & important use of humor/laughter.  Duane talked extensively about needing a strategy & practicing your speech to make sure you speak naturally not robotic-like.

In our second segment, we discussed more situations & the tools needed to counter them, but keep in mind that it starts with your awareness of these situations.  Other issues discussed were age & differences in an audience, do we target a segment of the audience, do we engage in partisan politics & if so, how do we do it to be most effective.  Duane pointed out that personal attacks don’t have a place in winning debates & persuading others.  A listener brought up writing Op-Ed articles & we learned the guidelines apply to this discipline the same as in debating & speaking.  Other listeners asked Duane what he thought the most effective space speech was plus they wanted examples of effective space speakers today.  We talked about the use of references as is done in debates.  References or evidence, are important but note how Duane suggested evidence be used when we talk to others about space.  The issue of pork as in NASA projects came up.  The use of loaded language was discussed & our guest said we should always avoid using it.  Another listener asked Duane for his top five debate topics.  Space was not included but when I pressed him, he said space would have been a topic in the next five.  In summarizing, he said we should rehearse our argument but remember to deliver it in a natural style.  He suggested a few books at the end for those wanting more information.  The primary title he recommended was “Argumentation and Debate: Critical Thinking for Reasoned Decision Making” by Austin J. Freely, 1999.  You can get this book on Amazon using the following URL & Amazon will then make a contribution to The Space Show/OGLF:  www.amazon.com/Argumentation-Debate-Critical-Wadsworth-Communication/dp/0534561152/ref=onegiantlea20.  Don’t miss his closing suggestions.

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Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Tuesday, 3-6-12 March 6, 2012

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Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson, Tuesday, 3-6-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1728-BWB-2012-03-06.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.  Subject:  Dr. Tyson talks space policy along with his new book, “Space Chronicles: Facing The Ultimate Frontier” and his article in the current edition of Foreign Affairs, , “The Case For Space: Why We Should Keep Reaching for the Stars.” You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson back to the show for a comprehensive hour long discussion on space policy, the NASA budget, investment in our future, the space race, and many more issues as pointed out in both his Foreign Affairs article and in his new book.  Remember, if you order his book using the following Amazon link, Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show/One Giant Leap Foundation: www.amazon.com/Space-Chronicles-Facing-Ultimate-Frontier/dp/0393082105/ref=onegiantleap20.  You can read his Foreign Affairs article at www.scribd.com/doc/82592118/The-Case-for-Space.  During our hour with Neil, we discussed the NASA budget and why it should be increased.  Dr. Tyson also pointed out why humor was so important and what it really means as I asked him about the joking and kidding around regarding space when he visits programs such as The Daily Show.  Neil also made the case for more space activity and talked about spinoffs but additionally he talked about the economic growth that comes from innovation and inspiration, along with unplanned and fortunate discoveries. Here, he cited the Hubble Space Telescope and mammograms as an example.  He also suggested that with a space program that is innovative and doing what it should be doing, the STEM education problems are solved in the process.  We talked about NASA not being one of the key scientific government agencies anymore and he was upset that this was and is not being corrected.  Dr. Tyson had much to say about the role of the private sector in space development in that government typically puts down the infrastructure and opens the industry door with the privates coming after, expanding the industry, operating more efficiently, and developing markets.  A listener asked about planetary defense and asteroids, another listener inquired about space enthusiasts running for political office, and Jon suggested that giving NASA a bigger budget would just be a waste as NASA is all about pork.  Neil addressed all of these questions and more.  I urge listeners to read his book and if possible, read the Foreign Affairs article before you listen to the interview. During our discussion, Dr. Tyson said some very powerful things.  For example, note our discussion on the NASA budget as an investment, not an expense.  Neil described himself as an educator so listen to what he had to say about how to influence people and create change through education by teaching real science and facts so people can make truly informed choices.  Pay attention to what he said about a country that does not invest in its future and why space should be the future getting the investment benefit.  Throughout this interview, Neil powerfully reminded us all that even in tough economic times like today, NASA has been instrumental in shaping our national identity, inspiring us, driving our economy, driving careers in the STEM disciplines, and bringing us landmark, groundbreaking new technologies.  I personally believe that Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson makes a very good case for space.   Please post any comments/questions you might have for Dr. Tyson on The Space Show blog URL above.