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Hannah Kerner, Tuesday, 8-4-15 August 5, 2015

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Hannah Kerner, Tuesday, 8-4-15


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Guest: Hannah Kerner; Topics: Hannah’s op-ed “The Space Destination Debate Gets Us Nowhere…Literally,” NewSpace movement. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.


We welcomed back to the show Hannah Kerner for this 61 minute discussion about here recent space.com op-ed, “The Space Destination Debate Gets Us Nowhere…Literally.” You can read her op-ed at www.space.com/29659-debating-space-destination-is-grounding-exploration.html. Hannah is also the incoming new Executive Director of The Space Frontier Foundation (SFF) so we talked with about her ideas on space advocacy as well as SFF. We started out with a focus on the space destination debate which Hannah said was frustrating, not productive, and helped to create the situation where nobody goes anyplace. She also suggested that regardless of the destination, all space destinations benefit one another. The Stepping Stone Approach was discussed, especially in terms of what makes most sense from both the TRL and economic perspectives. Later in the segment, Hannah talked about the impact of the current go nowhere human spaceflight program on young people or millennials in school and entering the job market. This was a very interesting discussion from the millennial perspective so don’t miss it. As an example, our guest compared career options with NASA to those with companies such as Microsoft, Google, Apple, and other tech giants. We talked about their quick turnaround time with projects as compared to really long space projects, maybe up to a decade or more, with the risk of delays and even cancellation. Using the Europa mission as an example, I asked her how that would be viewed by a person in school wanting to do something important but seeing how long it would take plus the risks of delays or even project cancellation. She talked about devoting one’s career to a life long project like that and how that might be viewed by today’s students and graduates. For the balance of the program, we turned to The Space Frontier Foundation (SFF) and space advocacy in general. Hannah told us about an informal survey SFF conducted at the recent NewSpace Conference asking people how they viewed space players like Russia, China, India, the US, etc., either in terms of tension or innovation. She said 70% of those responding viewed participation by these players as spurring innovation, not adding to national or global tensions. The Linda Billings Scientific American article came up and Hannah gave us a different perspective than we have been hearing. She did not think it was an attack on SFF but rather the author was not that well informed about the Foundation or NewSpace. We then talked about the changes in the Foundation and space advocacy in general, diversity which is improving, the increase of women in the movement, having access to advocacy organizations, ideas, and information. Hannah said the new breed of space entrepreneurs and advocates are not promoting space settlement and issues the way it was promoted in years past which is what Linda was describing. We talked about the diversity among the NewSpace attendees which is vastly improved from the past, especially with women and Asians. In this context, we discussed technology, space settlement, Manifest Destiny, and much more. Hannah indicated that this new group of advocates was looking to establish more collaborative space eco-systems. Listeners emailed Hannah about diversity issues and finding ways to involve more minorities in space advocacy. Space attorney Michael Listner called to talk about advocacy and related issues from his perspective which was different than what Hannah was describing. Don’t miss this discussion. Hannah left us with closing comments you will certainly want to hear.


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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Tuesday, 1-10-12 January 11, 2012

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Dr. Bruce Cordell, Tuesday, 1-10-12


Guest:  Dr. Bruce Cordell.  Topics:  Using Maslow Windows to determine future space exploration and development trends.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Dr. Bruce Cordell to discuss new information pointing to a boom period of space exploration and development based on the trend analysis using Maslow Windows.  During the first part of our discussion with Dr. Cordell, he went over Maslow Windows, what they are and why they can be used to suggest a coming boom period in space exploration/development.  You can learn more about Maslow Windows and his work from his website, http://21stcenturywaves.com.  He talked about the need for optimism and also told us what to look for in terms of precursors to the boom period.  As you will hear, some of the precursors are very disruptive, even similar to what is going on in our economy today.  Bruce then went into his latest post on his website, “State of the Wave: 10 Space Trends for 2012.”  We managed to get through most of the ten trends during both segments of our discussion, starting with #10 “Phobos-Grunt Symbolized A Key Approach To Mars Exploration.”  As you will hear, Bruce spent some time talking about the trends, his analysis of them, and some of the specifics underlying why he selected the item as a trend with his Maslow Windows analysis.  Rather than go through each of the trends in this summary, I suggest you open up his website document regarding these 10 trends as you are listening to the discussion.  Of the trends discussed in the first segment, we focused onChina and also  #8, Critical States.

In the second segment, a listener asked Bruce how he knew the boom would be in space rather than the more typical terrestrial industrial economy.  Don’t miss what Dr. Cordell had to say about this.  Bruce then returned to discussing the issue of critical states and the role they play in the economy as well as in political policy.  Wild card items came up many times during the discussion, especially in the second segment.   Euro zone issues topped the list for the wild card discussions.  Another key trend talked about in this segment was #7, “Nasa’s Kepler Discoveries Trigger A Copernican-level Expansion of Worldviews.”  In fact, a good portion of the rest of the program as well as callers focused in on this trend, the discovery of Earth-like planets, and even the search for ET.  Dr. Cordell put forth many theories including those that we are alone in the universe and why that is so.  This is a discussion you will certainly want to hear.  Near the end of the program, we advanced to the #1 trend, “Several Wildcards Could Dramatically InfluenceU.S. and Global Trends in 2012 and Beyond.”  Here, Dr. Cordell talked about political realignments, the importance of our 2012 elections, and that people tend to support those that lead us to prosperity.  Since that can be subjective among the voters, Dr. Cordell did elaborate on it before our program ended.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog URL above.  You can also email Dr. Cordell through his website and post on his blog as well.