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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 12-15-15 December 16, 2015

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 12-15-15

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Guest: Robert (Bob) Zimmerman; Topics: Apollo 8, heavy lift, Moon-Mars, commercial space, and much more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Bob back to the show for the last time in 2015.  During the first segment of the 2 hour program, Bob started our by remembering Apollo 8’s flight around the Moon on Christmas Eve, plus he talked about his new edition Kindle version of his classic book, “Genesis: The Story of Apollo 8.”  Bob spent some time retelling the full Apollo 8 story, how it came about that Frank Borman and crew decided to read the first twelve chapters of Genesis for the huge broadcast that was heard around the world, then he contrasted the astronaut’s freedom to choose their own words to what he expected would prevail today.  What do you think?  Post your comments about this on the blog.  After the Apollo 8 story, we discussed the return to flight by both Orbital ATK and SpaceX.  Bob shared his perspectives about this plus his rational for NASA wanting to work with possibly four companies for commercial spaceflight for cargo to the ISS.  Caller Richard Easton was next to talk about Apollo 8, then he wanted to know Bob’s thoughts on the need to first go to the Moon before going to Mars. This turned into a mini-discussion that included reference to the NASA Roadmap to Mars, the Elon Musk plans to go to Mars and why, along with giant rockets, with Bob commenting on why giant rockets would be inefficient and not necessary. His call consumed the balance of the first segment.

 

In the second segment,  I read an email from Doug asking about ISS plans and the possible impact on a Bigelow space station.  Jody emailed in a question asking about the space positions for the presidential candidates for both parties.  Bob limited his comments to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump, Sen. Rubio, and Senator Cruz.  In the process of talking about their positions, he went after big government programs such as SLS and Orion.  Jack sent in a question asking about recent XCOR changes in management.  Bob had much to say about this, though it was more about the company in general and the industry.  He did take the opportunity to applaud Blue Origin.  Doug called the show and his call consumed almost all of the balance of the second segment.  Bob and Doug had a grand old time planning missions without heavy lift rockets using multiple launches of the F9, ion & solar propulsion.  I refrained from entering their discussion and let the two continue until we needed to move on near the end of the show.  Bob was again critical of SpaceX wanting to build giant heavy rockets for going to Mars saying FH was large enough and efficient.  The assumptions the two made were in my opinion very generous but at least we know where Doug and Bob stand on these issues.  If you have comments about their discussion make sure you post your comments on the blog.

 

Please do post all your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach Mr. Zimmerman through his website, www.behindtheblack.com.  You can reach any caller or emailer through me.

Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 6-16-15 June 17, 2015

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 6-16-15

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Guest:  Bob Zimmerman. Topics: Commercial space historical overview, launch industry, space news, rockets, & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Bob Zimmerman back to the program to discuss a variety of commercial space, space news, and related topics.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 56 minute discussion, Bob started out with an historical overview of the progress made in developing the commercial space industry, a U.S. cargo capability to the ISS, and eventually the U.S. capability of carrying astronauts back to the ISS.  He started his timeline in 2004, specifically addressing the time since President Obama came to office.  For almost the entire first segment, Bob noted milestones, progress, company developments, the beginning of competition and much more. Later in the segment, he mentioned what he said was the lack of progress in the suborbital industry during the time period he had been talking about and suggested that the suborbital companies may be missing parts of the market given their continued delays.  He talked about this in more detail during the second segment.  He also talked about human spaceflight (HSF), SLS, Falcon and SpaceX as a game changer, the efforts of Sierra-Nevada to continue on with Dream Chaser, & his opinion that it will likely be the private sector that manages HSF to the Moon and Mars rather than a public program.  We talked about public opinion and space, then Marshall called to ask questions about China, their space program, plus a possible Chinese impact on our space policy.  Bob had much to say about the Chinese program, then he had about an equal amount to say about the Russian program. Sylvester emailed in to also ask about China, specifically if Bob thought we would soon be cooperating with one another in space.  Bob seized this opportunity to make it very clear as to why he disliked international partnerships, instead preferring competition. Before the segment ended, Beth asked Bob for his thoughts on the Moon-Mars debate.

 

In the second segment, Kristen started us off talking about LightSail.  Bob had much to say about the mission, The Planetary Society, how it was funded, and the fact that it was based around using cubesats.  He then spoke to the success of cubesats and how they are changing aspects of the industry. Bob jumped to Comet 67 P, the Rosetta mission and the Philae Lander.  He used this opportunity to provide an overview of planetary missions starting in 1957.  In talking about the success of planetary missions, he mentioned the Dawn mission to Ceres and Vesta plus many more.  I asked Bob about New Horizons and Pluto. Bob had much to say about Pluto, its moons, & specifically the moon Charon.  Other topics that came up as we neared the close of the show included the Europa mission and an effort to use crowd funding to make a porno film in space. This prompted Bob to say a few words about sex in space, plus he thought the porno film was just a PR stunt.  Before the show ended, Tim in Huntsville asked for Bob to share his thoughts on the company Interorbital Systems.  Bob then turned to the suborbitals having some things to say about Virgin Galactic, Blue Origins, and XCOR. He spoke to the need for redundancy, mentioned possible Stratolaunch problems with Orbital ATK no longer working with them on the rocket, then suggested some things to watch for in the second half of this year and closed out with a summary of key points he made during this program.  Check out Bob’s blog, www.behindtheblack.com.

 

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William (Bill) Harwood, Tuesday, 6-9-15 June 10, 2015

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William (Bill) Harwood, Tuesday, 6-9-15

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2490-BWB-2015-06-09.mp3

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Guest:  William (Bill) Harwood; Topics: Space news, policy, & notable events now & throughout our space history.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Bill Harwood of CBS Space News back to the show for this 80 minute discussion.  During the first segment, I asked Bill for a bit of his personal history going back to when he first started doing space news with UPI.  Next, I asked him what over the years has impressed him the most regarding space activities.  Don’t miss what he had to say about this as multiple space events were on his list.  In addition, I brought up the Planetary Society success with LightSail, their solar sail demo project.  Bill talked about the mission, what is planned next for a larger, more lasting solar sail project, and the fact that The Planetary Society funded the $4.5 million cost from contributions by Planetary Society donors.  Also in the news was the NASA “flying Saucer” which was really the demo of a new landing system for Mars using a huge (the largest ever) supersonic parachute 100′ across.  Bill went into detail on the mission, even how it got tagged a “flying saucer” which he said was the responsibility of the media.  Listener Robert sent in an email asking for Bill’s position on the Moon-Mars debate.  Bill talked about benefits from both positions but did not share his personal preference as he wanted to stay strictly with reporting the news, not offering an editorial.  That said, his discussion of the debate and the pros and cons of each side was most interesting.  We talked some about planetary missions but honed in on New Horizons and Pluto. Also mentioned was the upcoming Europa Mission, then listener Carolyn asked him what he saw for human spaceflight over the next few years.  Ben wanted to know if the private sector could take us back to the Moon.  Bill had much to say about the emerging commercial industry but in the end suggested that the costs were so high along with very high risks that government would be the one to do it for a long time to come.  Don’t miss what he had to say about both costs and risks.  Russia and their hardware issues came up, then we had quite a discussion on commercial crew, not fully funding it, and continuing to pay the Russians rather than getting the job done with American providers.  John from Ft. Worth gave us a call to talk about the SpaceX subsidies for Falcon 9, wondering if the price of a Falcon 9 launch was the true launch cost or a subsidized cost.  John and Bill had an interesting discussion on this with a few added comments by yours truly.  John also used the time to repeat his position that going to the Moon was essential before going to Mars and that SLS was likely a place holder for labor and technology until we have a different space policy with different space leadership.  Bill talked about variables and lots of unknowns, including wild cards from China and other sources that could end up driving U.S. space policy and progress.

 

In the second segment, we talked about public private partnerships citing SpaceX as a good example of such a partnership.  That said, Bill talked about the need for the commercials to have a destination such as the ISS for their goods and services but that is harder to realize with planetary missions.  He said their needed to be something to do with the means to do it. This brought us to a space infrastructure discussion and the possible role of the government in building and paying for space infrastructure, especially to support industrial growth.  Bill then address risk in much more detail.  This is a discussion you don’t want to miss.  We talked vehicle safety, Virgin Galactic, deep space missions, and much more.  Barbara in Chicago asked Bill about frustrations and how the frustration level has changed over the three plus decades he has been covering space news.  Bill took a few questions about the ISS and the potential closing of it in 2024.  He was asked if we were in a space race with China and did not realize it.  Carl inquired about the Indian space program, then Bill talked some more about the CST-100, the Dragon, remodeling the ISS for Independent Docking Adapters for the two vehicles  and he even responded to a question about Dream Chaser.  More was said about the ISS, plus he told us he met a person at NASA who was in charge of figuring out how to deorbit the ISS which weighs about 900,000 lbs. and moves at 5 miles a second.  This is in advance of a probable 2024 termination date.  In his closing comments, he said the public needed to let Congress know about their support for space.  He also reminded us that space was dangerous, costly, and very risky.  Before the show ended, I asked if he had seen rockets blow up on the pad.  He had and he shared a few stories with us.

 

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Dr. Robert Zubrin, Tuesday, 6-2-15 June 3, 2015

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Dr. Robert Zubrin, Tuesday, 6-2-15

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Guest:  Dr. Robert (Bob) Zubrin.  Topics:  Mars Society Convention 2015, Convention debate topics, HSF to Mars issues & concerns.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Dr. Robert (Bob) Zubrin to discuss the upcoming Mars Society Convention in Washington, DC from August 13-16, 2015 (see www.marssociety.org/a/marssociety.org/www/conventions/18th-annual-international-mars-society-convention). During our 1 hour 45 minute program without a break, Dr. Zubrin not only told us about the upcoming Mars Society Convention for 2015, but talked about Human Spaceflight (HSF) to Mars by addressing many specific issues, concerns, and topics.  Starting off with the Convention, it is August 13-16, 2015 at the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC.  Special hotel prices are available at the Phoenix Park Hotel (see www.marssociety.org/conventions/18th-annual-international-mars-society-convention/hotel-and-transportation for reservation details).  Bob told us about the keynote speakers but also the special format this year for debates. Several topics will be debated including Moon vs. Mars, Mars One feasibility with the MIT team and Bas from Mars One, how best to achieve commercial space plus other topics.  Bob then started getting questions from listeners & myself on a wide variety of Mars HSF mission topics.  To start with, I asked Bob to comment on what several recent Space Show guests have said about our not being ready for HSF to Mars for a variety of reasons including radiation, other human factors, the costs, and the trip risk which would turn it into a survival mission and nothing more.  Before Bob responded to my specific question, he commented on the recent radiation paper, “How a trip to Mars would mess with your brain.”  Bob was very critical of this paper and spent time going through it and showing where he believed it to be bogus.  You can read Bob’s critique at www.marssociety.org/home/press/announcements/invalidclaimsmadeforwhathappenstoyourbrainonthewaytomarspublication.  Bob spent a good amount of time debunking the original article so don’t miss his comments.  Before moving on, I again asked Bob to respond specifically to what my guests had said as none of them mentioned the paper in question.  We had an interesting discussion on risk taking and the role of government as part of our discussion.  John in Florida called to ask about the concept of a nuclear explosion on Mars per Space Show guest Dr. John Brandenberg.  This led to questions about shortages of PU238, space policy & political leadership. Doug had questions about an Earth Return Mission and later he eventually called in to get a more precise answer to what he was asking.  We talked about one way missions, how best to explore Mars, and the responsible way to tackle the eventual settlement on Mars.  Emmet from NY called in to ask about Elon Musk Mars and NASA plans and why they seem to ignore going for artificial gravity.  Again, Bob had much to say about this issue which he said was different for Musk and NASA.  He felt Musk would address it as the challenge became more real for him.  As far as NASA goes, he said it was criminal to have avoided the issue for decades.  Don’t miss his comments.  Jackie emailed in a question about character in the book “The Martian,” wanting to know if crew were stranded on Mars could they actually do some of the things the character in the book did to survive.  You might be surprised by Bob’s answer.  Matt in Germany asked a question about Mars via the Moon, BJohn asked about the use of a cycler for Mars transportation & Kirk called to talk about an article he had read about fossil ice at Valles Marineris.  Kirk will post a comment about this on the blog after the show is archived.  Next up was the subject of terraforming Mars. Bob had much to say about this plus he offered a possible terraforming timeline. Doug then wanted to know if Bob was referring to paraterraforming when he mentioned the use of Domes on the Martian surface but Bob said no.  Tim called to talk about the radiation paper discussed earlier and mentioned a second experiment saying that antioxidants negated the radiation effects. Bob was not familiar with the second study but summarized his comments about the paper.

BJohn emailed in about rocket advances from the Saturn V for a Mars mission, we talked about what it would mean to use a Falcon Heavy for Mars missions, then Marshall called to inquire about sources of power on Mars, particularly nuclear and getting a large enough nuclear reactor to Mars.  Marshall and Bob talked about a Topaz like reactor.  Another question came up about using the Martian moons for the early human missions rather than Mars.  Bob explained why in his mind this was not a good idea.  He then compared the radiation dosage of long term ISS usage for ISS astronauts to the transit time and radiation dosage for a Martian crew.  Don’t miss what Bob had to say about this.  In Bob’s concluding comments, we focused on the upcoming convention but also on the importance NASA and a HSF mission to Mars in the context of the world today.  This is an important part of our program so don’t miss it.  In concluding, Bob said “It is time again for NASA to astound the world to show what free men can do.”  You will likely hear me use Bob’s closing statement on many future Space Show programs.

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Space New Years Resolution & Wish List Show, Sunday, 1-18-15 January 19, 2015

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Space New Years Resolution & Wish List Show, Sunday, 1-18-15

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Guest:  Dr. Livingston hosts the first New Year’s Resolution Space Show program.  Topics: Listeners tell us their wish list for space this year.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Welcome to our first ever Space Show New Years Resolution and Wish List program.  During both segments of our 1 hour 48 minute discussion, listeners phoned in and emailed their wish list for space development projects for 2015 and even beyond.  During the first segment, Michael Listner started us off with a wish to see a space policy thinker type of website started to open and support a high level discussion on what our space policy should be.  He did not know how to implement the idea but we talked about some possibilities and he suggested a few participants.  Ideas are welcome.  We next heard from Jon in New Jersey who wanted to see Dream Chaser continue on to success along with commercial crew.  We talked about returning to the Moon and using the Moon as a stepping stone to Mars, plus various paths on the way to Mars.  Chris from Wyoming called in and suggested peace between all sides on the SLS debate.  We also talked about lowering launch and access to LEO costs and baby step methodology for getting to Mars.  He also wanted to see strong support and growth for the private sector.   John in Florida called with a wish list item of stopping throwing away the boosters.  He said his extended wish was for ULA, Orbital and others to begin working on reusability.

In the second segment, Andrew from Tucson called.  We talked about Kitt Peake and his projects with Jeff that he has been working on that he wants to continue,  including hardware demonstrationd.  Doug called from S. California and wants to publish his Cis Lunar One paper & move forward on his conference or TED talk concept.  He mentioned the need to spend less time posting on blogs and making more direct contact with leading space policy people.  Tim called wanting to see full Falcon 9 reusability among other things.  John from Ft. Worth called and said his wish list was for more SLS funding and to see a successful Falcon 9 first stage recovery landing on the barge.  Rick sent in emails about fusion energy and more, all of which I read on air.

Please post your comments/suggestions, and your own resolutions and your wish list on TSS blog above.  If you want to contact any of today’s participants, you can do so through me.

 

Dennis Wingo, Monday, 12-1-14 December 2, 2014

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Dennis Wingo, Monday, 12-1-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2366-BWB-2014-12-01.mp3

Guest:  Dennis Wingo.  Topics:  NASA ARM Mission, RTM, HSF to Mars, solar system economic development & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com . Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.  We did have a few audio problems as Dennis used a cell phone and we lost the connection a few times due to storms across N. California.

We welcomed back Dennis Wingo for this 93 minute discussion. PLEASE NOTE THAT WE ARE NOW CONDUCTING OUR ANNUAL FUND RAISING DRIVE.  WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE SPACE SHOW AND ITS PROGRAMMING EFFORT.  During our first segment, Dennis talked about his recent blog article at http://denniswingo.wordpress.com, To ARM or Not To ARM: Is That Really Our Question.  I urge you to download and read this article as Dennis refers to it many times over during our discussion.  He started out with an analysis of what was thought to be the NASA ARM mission as compared to what it has become today.  As you will hear, he was supportive of the initial mission, not the current evolved mission.  He explained why the shift in his position which was based on making the ARM mission a minimalist type mission.  He explained the differences in detail.  Budget reasons were cited as a primary reason for the mission being downgraded.  Dennis offered us an historical analysis & perspective of the NASA budget.  SLS, Falcon Heavy, & lots of space policy made it to this segment.  Dennis talked about solar electric propulsion for ARM, then he was asked about the likelihood of the next president initiating an RTM program.  Doug emailed about a COTS like program with ULA & Masten for a lunar lander.  Dennis had much to say about a lunar lander dating back to the Gemini era up to new, lower cost ideas coming from the commercial space industry.

In the second segment, Dennis continued talking about the upcoming new Congress and what might emerge as a different type program with a different budget though he thought we were more likely to entertain the status quo.  Several listeners wanted to know if it would boil down to the Moon vs. ARM or the Moon vs. Mars.  Don’t miss his response to these questions.  Our guest suggested we all watch the “Wanderers” video which you can see at http://vimeo.com/108650530.  Dennis mentioned that we did not need a government program as such for space but he did speak in favor of public/private partnerships.  We spoke much about the need for space and lunar infrastructure.  Sally asked him to explain the difference with the economic development of the solar system and space settlement.  He said space settlement was very much a part of a space economic development effort.  In response to another set of listener questions, Dennis talked about the 90-10 rule when has about robots in space as compared to astronauts.  Doug called to talk about investment capital for commercial space plus other issues.  I then asked Dennis if Lunar Cots or industrialization was included in solar system economic development and if so, at what stage?  Kirk emailed in a question challenging the role played by offering prizes.  Don’t miss what Dennis had to say in response to Kirk’s email.  Before we ended the program, Dennis mentioned his latest blog article about Apollo betrayed by the very people who made the Apollo mission happen.  You can read this article at http://denniswingo.wordpress.com.

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