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Michael Listner, Sunday, 12-13-15 December 13, 2015

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 12-13-15

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Guest: Michael Listner.  Topics: Commercial Space Law, asteroid bill, treaties, 2015 space legal issues and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the show for the last time in 2015.  During the first segment of our two hour discussion, Michael started the 2015 annual space law review by jumping right in to discussing the new Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act recently signed into law by President Obama.  In this segment, he hit on key issues including legal jurisdiction on issues would now be federal law issues, the solidification behind SLS making it harder to cancel the rocket project, and the controversial “property rights” section in the asteroid part of the legislation.  There were many questions for Michael regarding the significance and meaning of issues now falling under federal law.  During this discussion, Michael used legal definitions and terminology and we discussed hypothetical situations to try to understand the impact of federal over state law on issues likely to make it to court.  Michael again talked about the asteroid mining part of the legislation (he did so as well on his last show a few weeks ago) which he believes contradicts the Outer Space Treaty.  Michael carefully went through the legal issues including the incorrect comparison of the Outer Space Treaty to the oceans and the Law of the Sea Treaty rather than a more appropriate comparison to legal regimes regarding Antarctica.  Michael posted a good article on this discussion his blog, Space Thoughts, which you can read at https://spacethoughtsblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/section-51303-the-oceans-are-not-the-equal-to-outer-space/.  Later in the segment, listeners asked about domestic vs. international legal enforcement of the asteroid mining issues per the legislation, plus many questions came in about The Outer Space Treaty and even The Moon Treaty came up for discussion.

 

In the second segment, Michael started out by saying that SLS got a big boost which was supportive of commercial space policy.  Jack asked about commercial crew in the legislation, but our focus moved to the RD180 engine because that is a big deal right now.  Michael said it was akin to open warfare between Senator McCain and ULA.  Michael offered us a detailed explanation of the RD180 issue and how it can impact ULA, SpaceX, and actually impact the nation.  Another topic was the return to flight using the Atlas 5 and the RD181 engine for the Cygnus by Orbital ATK.  BJohn and later Freemont John inquired about nuclear propulsion and some of the things discussed in the recent program with Dr. Dewar. Another topic discussed was planetary protection which he said gets its authority from Article 9 of The Outer Space Treaty.  Before the program ended, Michael gave us a status report on The Code of Conduct, the suborbital industry, and the Moon Treaty.

 

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon, Monday, 7-20-15 July 21, 2015

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon, Monday, 7-20-15

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Guests: Rand Simberg, Bill Simon. Topics: July 20th celebration, Evoloterra.com, U.S. space policy. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience. We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon to the show to discuss the importance of July 20, 1969, our having landed on the Moon leaving Earth behind, and their ceremony, Evoloterra (www.evoloterra.com). During the first segment of our 1 hour 26 minute program, Bill and Rand talked about the creation of the Evoloterra ceremony, what it signifies and what it honors. They talked about the importance of storytelling and why they modeled Evoloterra on the Passover Seder. Both guests talked about the importance of leaving Earth’s gravity well for the first time for another planet though later Rand offered a correction to that statement since the Moon orbits Earth and the Apollo crew was always in the sphere of influence of Earth. Rand said going to Mars would be the first time humans will have left the influence of our home planet. This discussion covered a large part of the first segment. Next, we got into space policy and theoretical discussions such as what the world would be like, including US space policy, had the Soviets beat us to the Moon and established a permanent lunar base there. Both our guests offered speculative views of alternative time lines & realities had something like that actually happened. Getting into the Evoloterra relevance today, Rand took the lead and had much to say about our current space policy, how we should be doing things and why we should not be trying to recreate Apollo. In addition, our guests talked about going to Mars and at one point it was said that there was probably no path to Mars without going through the Moon. We talked about the press conference today announcing the new Return to the Moon plan. You can download and read the plan at www.scribd.com/doc/272096719/NexGen-report-on-leveraging-commercial-rockets-to-return-to-the-moon. Rand had interesting comments about it though given it had just come out a few hours before our show today, none of us had yet read the 100 page plus report. However, It will be the subject of our next Open Lines show. Rand made several points that doing great things in space did not have to come about due to a policy based on war, referring to Apollo and the Cold War. Skipping over to the second segment, we talked about previous reports regarding space policy and Rand noted that these earlier reports did not advocate a national policy for space settlement. We then discussed space settlement for a good part of this segment, with our guests explaining why it should be our national policy. For future missions, Rand kept saying they did not have to be based on battles and wars. Bill said we needed the challenges & to win. Several catalyst type events were mentioned including asteroid threats. Rand talked about addressing many issues including space mining, property rights and affordability. Both guests offered excellent closing comments, don’t miss them. Post your comments/questions on TSS blog above. You can reach Rand and Bill through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Paul Turner, Tuesday, 1-6-15 January 7, 2015

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Paul Turner, Tuesday, 1-6-15

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Guest:  Paul Turner.  Topics:  Paul Turner talks about his book “The Space Trade” and how to develop real estate in orbit.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Paul Turner to the show to discuss his new book “The Space Trade” and his concept for developing orbital real estate for profit. Visit his website for more information, http://www.thespacetrade.com.  In the first segment of our 1 hour 55 minute show, Paul introduced us to The Space Trade idea.  He first described what the mature space trade industry would look like, then he talked about how to develop a space trade.  He suggested the space trade would likely start with asteroid mining and he referenced Planetary Resources multiple times during our discussion.  He also mentioned the need for an orbital transfer vehicle and a spin ship which he described later in the discussion.  He talked about mining water and bring it back to LEO.  He recalled he had seen a suggested price for water at $50 million/ton in LEO which he said was on the Planetary Resources website at one time.  Later in the segment, this price was disputed by several listeners.  Listeners asked questions about the potential profitability of the space trade early stage since Paul thought it might not be profitable at the start.  Another early industry suggested by Paul was the servicing and refueling of satellites.  Joe then asked if a proof of concept could be applied to capturing small asteroids near Earth and bringing them back to Earth targeting their re-entry to land in Australia somewhere.  Paul said it was possible and it was important to have a proof of concept for people to see. John from Ft. Worth called to inquire about space manufacturing.  Paul had much to say about this part of his concept.

In the second segment, a listener asked about property rights and the national as well as international legal regime to make possible the space trade.  JP emailed in about manned vs. unmanned asteroid mining.  Benny asked Paul to describe a spin ship.  Later Robert inquired if lunar development might be the starting point for the space trade industry rather than asteroid mining. Listeners asked Paul many other questions including one about why establishing a space trade was important.  Paul referred us to chapter 12.1 of his book but he did mention a few of the reasons.  Later, he talked about the Carrington Event. I asked him what our TRL was for getting the space trade going and he said we could start today.  Don’t miss what he had to say about this.  In closing comments, he advocated doing something rather than just talking about it.  Pooley then called to talk about DIY space plus they discussed the old Conestoga project and JP emailed in on that as well.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach Paul Turner through me.

Bruce Pittman, Monday, 10-13-14 October 14, 2014

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Bruce Pittman, Monday, 10-13-14

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Guest:  Bruce Pittman.  Topics:  The emerging commercial space industry and related topics.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Bruce Pittman back to the show to discuss the emerging commercial space industry. During the first segment of our 90 minute program Bruce said this was the most exciting time every for commercial space, certain in his 30 plus year career.  He talked about there being a paradigm shift underway, NASA challenges and the progress made in just five short years.  He cited examples with COTS, commercial payloads to the ISS, SpaceX, and lots of smaller companies working with small satellites.  Other examples included the 3D printer on the ISS, the growth of spaceports, the industry spreading out into multiple states, and investment capital coming to the industry.  I asked about human spaceflight (HSF) and he said it was more challenging and demanding but was optimistic that launch costs would come down, especially if reusability enters the market.  Reusability would greatly assist in bringing more commercial options to the table even for HSF.  Jerome in the UK emailed to ask about a commercial space industry outside the U.S.  Both Bruce and I commented on Jerome’s question.  Harry emailed Bruce to inquire if going public was essential for pushing the emerging commercial space industry forward.  Bruce was also asked what excited him the most in the industry.  Listen to his choices. I asked our guest if he saw SLS as an asset to the emerging commercial space industry, being neutral, or being a detriment.  He believes there will be synergistic enhancements for both SLS and the commercial space industry through the development of SLS.  Don’t miss his full comments. Bruce was asked about commercial space ventures being able to finally close a business case and having more than just government as the customer.  Allison emailed us asking Bruce to define paradigm shift.  This also proved an interesting discussion.  Near the end of the segment, our guest was asked bout NEOs and commercial opportunities.  We also talked about two NASA papers in this segment.  The first, “Pioneering Space: NASA’s Next Steps on the Path to Mars” from May 29, 2014 can be downloaded at http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/Pioneering-space-final-052914b.pdf.  The second paper, “Emerging Space:  The Evolving Landscape of 21st Century American Spaceflight,” can be downloaded at http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/Emerging_Space_Report.pdf.  Just before the break, Paul asked about fuel depots for the commercial space industry.

In our second segment, we started talking about space settlement, pioneering, and space exploration.  Bruce explained the differences with pioneering making it possible to have a permanent presence in space by getting in place needed infrastructure and the basics for living in space.  Space settlement would be established after pioneering.  Exploring goes forth to find out what is out there and to return to tell about it.  A listener asked if going to the Moon was a pioneering step on the way to Martian settlement.  Later, Bruce said that pioneering will be driven by economics. In this segment, we also talked about property rights and benefit sharing plus the impact these two issues might have on the emerging commercial space industry.  Risk averseness came up as well.  As we were drawing to a close, Bruce mentioned how all of the industry was in a transitional period, including traditional aerospace.  He suggested things to look for over the coming months included more commercial activities on the ISS, the upcoming Bigelow module for the ISS, & the Google Lunar XPrize.  In closing, we talked about Silicon Valley and the industry as well as the lowering of barriers to entry for emerging commercial space companies.  Bruce also mentioned the Next Giant Leap Conference in Hawaii, Nov. 9-13, 2014.  For more information, see http://2014giantleap.aerospacehawaii.info.

Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.  You can reach Bruce Pittman through me.

James Pura, Aaron Oesterle, Sunday, 6-1-14 June 2, 2014

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James Pura, Aaron Oesterle, Sunday, 6-1-14

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Guests:  James Pura, Aaron Oesterle.  Topic:  The Space Frontier Foundation’s (SFF) Space Settlement Enabling Test (http://spacefrontier.org/settlement-enabling-test).  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed James Pura and Aaron Oesterle to the program to discuss The Space Frontier Foundation’s Space Settlement Enabling Test (see http://spacefrontier.org/settlement-enabling-test).  During the first segment of our 90 minute program, James and Arron went over the history of how the Space Settlement Enabling Test got its start within the SFF.  We also learned that it is in response to public space programs, not private programs though parts of the test would be applicable to private ventures but applying it that way is not a purpose of the Foundation.  The SFF Board votes on the projects being applied to the test with the results being published on the SFF website (http://spacefrontier.org).  We learned that the test consists of 21 questions in seven categories with each question having a voting range of 1-5.  There is a score for the project being subjected to the test but there is no pass or fail.  For example, the Foundation applied the test to the now defunct Constellation program and its score was 36.5%.  Our guests explained in detail how the test worked and during this segment and part of the second segment, they went through the questions in each of the seven categories.  Listeners had many questions for them including how they planned on measuring the effectiveness of the test and the outcome.  Our guests talked about both the inside and outside means of using the test and getting the results out to the market, policy makers, etc.  One listener asked James & Aaron if the test was jumping the gun since space settlement is far off into the future.  Don’t miss the reply to this question offered by both our guests.  Doug called to talk about applying his Cis Lunar 1 project to the Space Settlement Enabling Test.  Prior to the end of the segment, our guests talked about the importance of insuring sustainability for space settlement and how that was reflected in the test.

In the second segment, we finished going through the balance of the test and then we opened up the discussion for questions.  In discussing the final categories, our guests brought up the issue and importance of space property rights, competition, and the need for a tax payer ROI on public space ventures.  We talked about what may contribute to a public sector ROI.  In the question segment, nuclear propulsion was brought up, our guests were asked if they had applied SLS to the test.  Each of our guests offer us important closing comments and take aways from our discussion.

Post your comments/questions on TSS blog.  You can reach our guests through the SFF website or me.

Michael Listner, Sunday, 12-1-13 December 1, 2013

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 12-1-13

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space law Review for 2013.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program for this space law review for 2013.  On The Space Show blog at the end of the summary, you will find two presentations uploaded at Michael’s request.  In the first segment of this 1 hour 57 minute discussion, Michael said it was a fruitful year for space law and policy.  He suggested that the paradigm changer was private space development, at both the state and the federal legal picture.  He talked much about the Outer Space Treaty (OST) which provides the legal basis for the U.S. to exercise control over its citizens launching anything to space anywhere in the world.  This subject came up in reference to Mars One and some statements Michael made regarding there wanting to go elsewhere to avoid Dutch law.  Michael explained how the OST presents the Dutch government with the same obligation for its citizens around the world as is the case with the U.S.  Michael then brought us current with the European Code of Conduct, current modifications, and the impact it might have on U.S. space entrepreneurs and launchers such as SpaceX.  He talked about how regulations get enforced as law & how they would make the voluntary code legally binding in our country.  We talked about the need to get an FAA launch license for private companies and how that might be unavailable depending on regulations and political issues.  For a government mission, there is no launch license requirement.  This point was stressed when using SLS for Inspiration Mars came up for discussion.

In the second segment (note we had a phone interruption so there was a short additional break though most of it was edited out), there were several email questions and comments regarding Tito’s recent Inspiration Mars congressional testimony and what it might mean for space law issues if the mission became a NASA project.  Allen asked a question about state law, specifically in California.  Michael explained the relationship between state and federal law in space matters.  During the discussion, Michael referenced many papers by different authors applicable to our discussion. Here are the links to those papers:  Henry Hertzfeld & Scott Pace: http://science.time.com/2013/11/28/hands-off-our-lunar-landing-sites-not-so-fast; National Space Transportation Policy:
www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/national_space_transportation_policy_11212013.pdf; Established Practices for Human Spaceflight Occupant Safety www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/national_space_transportation_policy_11212013.pdf; Space Review article on commercial spaceflight self-regulation: www.thespacereview.com/article/2252/1; FAA decision: www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-12-02/html/2013-28405.htm.  Our guest talked about these items during both segments of our show, stressing the geopolitical component.  Near the end of the program, we talked about laws to protect the lunar Apollo landing sites and artifacts.  In his concluding remarks, our guest stressed the need to play by the rules.  Such rules may consist of state, federal, and international laws and regulations. Michael also talked about Bigelow Aerospace and his lunar cots like program suggested with NASA.

If you have questions/comments for Michael, post them on The Space Show blog. You can reach Michael through his website at www.spacelawsolutions.com.

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Declan O’Donnell, Sunday, 7-22-12 July 22, 2012

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Declan O’Donnell, Sunday, 7-22-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1819-BWB-2012-07-22.mp3

Guest:  Declan O’Donnell.  Topics:  USIS updates, Law of the Sea Treaty, space settlement, property rights & more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. Declan O’Donnell returned for legal updates with United Societies In Space (USIS), the Intentional Space Development Authority (ISDAC), Law of the Sea Treaty, property rights and much more.  Declan suggested the best websites to visit for more information would be http://space-law.org/ISDAC/ISDAC.html and www.internationalspacedevelopment.com.  During this segment, Declan talked about the various UN space treaties, including the Liability Treaty and space debris issues.  Next, I asked Declan about the renewed interest show by the U.S. in the ratification of the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST).  Like many others, Declan clearly spelled out the problems with this treaty and the problems with the common heritage of mankind ideology, especially for space settlement and commerce.  He said if LOST is ratified by the Senate, it would be a “dangerous precedent.”  Declan spent time going into the history of LOST and we talked about it being bottled up in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (www.foreign.senate.gov).  Related issues discussed in this segment and throughout the program dealt with problems in enforcing treaties of all kinds.  Declan talked about the role of USIS and ISDAC regarding LOST and the ownership of space property issues.  He even talked about these organizations proposing a new treaty to support growth & the commercial development of space. Andrew called in to talk about the 1920 Svalbard Treaty as a possible model for space. You can read about this treaty at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Treaty.

Our second segment started with Tim calling to ask if there were other organizations promoting LOST and/or The Moon Treaty other than the U.N.  Later, Declan was asked about the Chinese space program and we again referenced issues with the Liability Treaty and Chinese caused space debris issues.  Also in this segment, Declan was asked about the EU Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities.  Note that he confirmed it was risky to dismiss such things because of the voluntary aspect & he cited several examples to illustrate his point.  He even talked about a specific Italian jurisdictional clause for a local region often inserted in contracts and used as a set of rules for litigation.  Harry emailed out guest about the spaceport no liability laws that have been adopted by several states.  Declan had much to say about this and the issue of liability. Interestingly, he said the waiver that we hear so much about and that is required in the federal law is more about protecting the U.S. Government given it has the ultimate liability for everything launched into space in the U.S. & possibly with U.S. hardware elsewhere in the world as the U.S. would be considered by treaty the launching state. Near the end of our program, I mentioned a SF Business Times article on space investment in Silicon Valley. I will upload the .pdf to the blog for those interested in reading it. Marshall also emailed in a question on the liability issue regarding a spacecraft landing in a different country from its launching country.  As the program was ending, Declan talked about USIS and ISDAC membership & given his being a trial lawyer, I asked him about the controversial issue in healthcare of tort reform.  You might be surprised by his answer.

Post your questions/comments on The Space Show blog.  You can email Declan through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com

 

You can read the SF Business Times article mentioned on the show here:

SF Biz Journal Space Ventures

Dr. John Lewis, Monday, 5-28-12 May 29, 2012

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Dr. John Lewis, Monday, 5-28-12

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Guest:  Dr. John Lewis.  Topics:  Asteroid mining, Chinese space program.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed back Dr. John Lewis to discuss asteroid mining and the Chinese space program. You can order Mining The Sky: Untold Riches From The Asteroids, Comets, And Planets by Dr. Lewis as we talked about his book throughout our program.  If you use this Amazon URL, Amazon will make a donation To The Space Show/OGLF:  www.amazon.com/Mining-The-Sky-Asteroids-Planets/dp/0201328194/ref=onegiantlea20. Our first segment focused in on asteroid mining, where are today, its future, legal issues to be settled, risks, and more.  Near the end of this segment, we also talked about the Law of the Sea Treaty, the common heritage of mankind and revenue sharing ideas, all of which would be detrimental to asteroid mining and expanding space commerce.  Earlier Dr. Lewis referenced the Keck study, The Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study which says we can capture a certain size NEO and put it in orbit around the Moon. Dr. Lewis carefully went through the pros and cons of doing this.

In the second segment, Tim called in and continued the revenue sharing and common heritage discussion.  Dr. Lewis then cited his family history dating back to 1625 coming from theNetherlands with the West Indies Company, then staying here and moving west rather than returning to theNetherlands.  He drew parallels with this and potential space settlement and risk taking.  Next, we talked about the Chinese space program, their space station, the upcoming taikonaut launch in June and the fact that they are actually “bending metal” in making hardware for going to the Moon, unlike the Indian program which is still largely talk.  Near the end of the segment, we talked about lunar mining, the needed future vision and leadership, the need to be a multi-planet species and why.  Our discussion with Dr. Lewis is full of important information so I urge you to carefully listen to this program and use the internet to follow up on many of the topics and issues he brings to our attention.  For example, you might find it interesting to see the 1926 Plan of Space Exploration as developed by Tsiolkovsky (www.informatics.org/museum/tsiol.html).

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.

Dr. Scott Pace, Sunday, 5-27-12 May 28, 2012

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Dr. Scott Pace, Sunday, 5-27-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1782-BWB-2012-05-27.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Scott Pace.  Topics:  Space policy, COTS, HSF safety, commercial space & more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Dr. Scott Pace back to the program for a comprehensive discussion on a variety of topics impacting space policy, commercial space, and both our civil and entrepreneurial space communities.  We started our first segment with a summary of the AIAA-IAF Global Space Exploration Conference held last week inWashington,DC.  We talked about the international make-up of the conference, the focus on budget issues, commercial space, and some of the different issues of concern to Europe, Asia, and theU.S.  We also talked about the impact on the Europeans of theU.S. terminating certain space program partnerships as the Europeans do four year planning and budgeting unlike theU.S. which is year to year.  Our first caller was Michael Listner about the European Code of Conduct for Outer Space.  This was a comprehensive and important discussion on a subject that we are sure to hear more about over time.  TheU.S. may even sign on to it so I strongly suggest everyone pay attention to this issue & this discussion.  We mentioned recent public comments about the Law of the Sea Treaty and looked at the potential impact of the treaty on space development should theU.S. modify or adopt a version of the treaty.  Toward the end of the first segment, Jerry sent in a note asking about comments made to the Washington Post by our guest on the number of test flights that might be needed for the Falcon 9, plus the response from NASA Watch. Dr. Pace talked about HSF flight safety, rocket testing programs, and how today differs from the early days of our human spaceflight history.  Risk averseness was part of our conversation.

In our second segment, we talked about the rational for human spaceflight.  Dr. Pace offered a geopolitical rational for HSF rather than just a capability driven program and rational.  Here we talked about Asian countries emerging as space powers and participants along with what happens when we aim for Beyond LEO (BLEO) and the need to engage the new players.  You will hear Dr. Pace advocate a return to the Moon several times during our program as that is a way to engage new players, plus we need to learn certain skills all over again before going BLEO.  We switched topics & talked about increasing the NASA budget & treating NASA as an investment, not an expense.  Dr. Pace brought our focus to what do we get for what we spend.  Don’t miss this discussion.  We talked about commercial crew, down selecting as an option, and competition.  Dr. Pace put these issues into the form of a cost-benefit analysis project to be examined based on the goals of the desired or stated policy.  Again, don’t miss his analysis of these issues.  We also talked about the FAR and the SAA, insight, oversight, accountability, and higher costs coming from the FAR.  Property rights & land claims were brought up along with space settlement issues.  Listener Jim inquired about using the Dragon for BLEO missions.  Scott had much to say about this potential.  Toward the end, we talked about theU.S. budget deficit & what we spend on NASA, then I read a letter from two 5th grade students opposing space development & I asked Dr. Pace to provide us with his reply.  We concluded our discussion with Dr. Pace honing in on the need for leadership here and abroad, along with the need for a robust economy.

Please post your questions/comments on The Space Show blog.  If you want to email Dr. Pace, you can send your note to me & I will forward it to him.

Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Monday, 4-30-12 April 30, 2012

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Monday, 4-30-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1764-BWB-2012-04-30.mp3

Guest:  Robert (Bob) Zimmerman.  Topics:  Space X static test, Congress & commercial crew, Planetary Resources & space property rights.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Bob Zimmerman back to the program to discuss today’s Falcon 9 static test, Congress & commercial crew, and the Planetary Resources announcements of last week.  Visit Bob’s website for more information, http://behindtheblack.com.  During the first segment, Bob talked about congress and its proposed treatment of commercial crew including down selecting the companies, reducing funding, and moving to the FAR instead of remaining with the Space Act Agreement.  Bob got lots of questions about markets in space and why commercial companies need government money in the first place.  In this segment, we also talked about the Falcon 9 static test today and its relevance for congress.  Bob targeted SLS for discussion. As you will hear, there was not much support for SLS among those of us listening to today’s program.

In the second segment, we talked about the Planetary Resources venture announced last week.  Part of our focus was on the 9″ space telescope, its likely uses and resolution.  We talked about it for asteroid finding and Earth imaging – with serious reservations.  Bob suggested that the real business for the company was in selling the space telescopes to customers wanting that product or service as the mining was still a decade or so out into the future.  In talking about the telescope, we discussed pointing, stability, resolution, being placed on the Moon, and less than ideal light coming from the asteroids.  In talking about space telescopes, we discussed Hubble and the JWST.  In other space news updates, Bob talked about Orbital moving Antares to the pad for its testing and there is an article on his blog about it being seriously over budget: www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/orbital-sciences-development-costs-increase-371291.  Another topic we discussed was the Chinese political system and its turmoil, also its economy and how this might impact their space program.  Bob had much to say about this as well as India and its space program which he said might prove to be the dark horse in space development.  Toward the end of this 2 hour 8 minute program, Michael Listner called in to talk about legal issues for Planetary Resources in their resource extraction stage of development, plus property rights, the Outer Space Treaty and even the impact of the Moon Treaty. Bob and Michael had a spirited debate about these issues, including the potential influence of the Moon Treaty and international customary law which Bob completely dismissed.  Michael has an excellent article on the subject at www.spacesafetymagazine.com/2012/04/26/commercial-space-leap-earth-orbit-legal-implications/.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. You can reach Bob Zimmerman through his website.