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Michael Listner, Sunday, 6-14-15 June 14, 2015

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 6-14-15

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2493-BWB-2015-06-14.mp3

Listner: National Space Policy

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  U.S. National Space Policy, commercial/private space, & its impact on national & international space law/activities.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back space attorney Michael Listner to discuss the importance of the U.S. National Space Policy, both nationally and internationally.  Please refer to the document Michael prepared for this show which you can find on The Space Show blog, “NATIONAL SPACE POLICY A PRÉCIS OF FUNDAMENTALS & PURPOSE.”  Michael’s document is essential to understanding the significance of our national space policy, both on the home front and internationally so don’t skip over it.  We used it extensively during our discussion as Michael used the exact policy language in his document to make his points.  During the first segment of our 2 hour 2 minute show, Michael explained the origins of this show given my challenge to him from a few weeks ago to tell us why national space policies are important given that many of us, myself included,  just view them as political rhetoric or something like that.  Michael did a fantastic job of connecting the dots from back in the beginning with President Eisenhower through to President Obama, showing us the evolution of commercial/private space and much more.  He also connected the dots on why our national space policy is significant on the global scene. Here, he used the definition of space as an example. After you listen to this program and read Michael’s paper, you will have a very clear understanding of the emergence of the commercial space industry as it is today, including government subsidies, plus many other parts of our space program, including the national security space program.  During this segment, we went through the presidents starting with Eisenhower to see how each new presidential national space policy helped to create the legal and policy structure of today’s space industry, public and private.  Michael explained policy from both the global view and the geo political view, again connecting the dots for us to what is happening in the space industry today.  He was very clear in showing how the birth & development of SpaceX for example,  was due in part because of our space policy and the laws congress enacted to support the goals of our national space policy which included private space and later on, even government subsidies.

In the second segment, we started taking more listener questions.  Carl asked who actually creates the Presidential National Space Policy.  Barbara asked if space property rights could be established through our space policy.  This prompted another excellent discussion by Michael on the subject.  June asked about our space policy enabling tourism and even visits or settlements on the Moon or Mars.  Another question came in regarding the US having no jurisdiction over private companies but Michael referred everyone to the Outer Space Treaty, Article 6 as this gives jurisdiction to the states (government).  Michael then had a few words to say about the significance of treaty law.  Michael was asked if the president could be lobbied regarding specifics of a national space policy.  Our guest received several emails thanking him for this program, saying it was extremely helpful and valuable.  Toward the end, he was asked about other countries having a national space policy.  Check out page 24 of his document as he has a chart showing the countries having or planning to create a space policy.  Near the end, a listener asked him if the space policy could be used to help establish a new business or industry.  Michael said yes, then provided us with an example relating to space debris.  Don’t miss this discussion! As the show was ending, Michael gave a shout out to the George C. Marshall Institute which is noted in the references in his paper as they have available all the space policy documents and more that Michael discussed plus those we did not have the time to address.  This is a superb resource and Michael was right on to give a shout out to this organization (http://marshall.org).

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Dr. John Logsdon, Monday, 3-16-15 March 17, 2015

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Dr. John Logsdon, Monday, 3-16-15

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2434-BWB-2015-03-16.mp3

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Guest: Dr. John Logsdon. Topics: Professor Logsdon’s new book, “After Apollo? Richard Nixon and the American Space Program,” plus our guest responded to many space policy questions then and now. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back to the show Dr. John Logsdon to discuss his new book, “After Apollo? Richard Nixon and the American Space Program.” During the first segment of our 90 minute discussion, Dr. Logsdon provided us with the multi-year history behind his researching and writing this book. We talked about the Space Shuttle but also the gap within NASA and parts of the space community including the advocate community between having great expectations but insufficient resources to support the great expectations. We talked about the likelihood of significant NASA budget increases in coming years and while possible, our guest said it was unlikely. President Nixon wanted space to be considered routine and NASA to compete for funding with other parts of the discretionary budget. What President Nixon set in motion is continuing through this day. Dr. Logsdon said policy normally comes from the White House but recently policy for SLS came from the Senate because they did not like what President Obama was doing. We talked about the long range impact of the Nixon space policy even through today and at one point Dr. Logsdon suggested that maybe Nixon got it right regarding American public sentiment about space. Our guest received questions about planetary science and its accomplishments and other listeners inquired about public/private partnerships. Still, our guest said that only governments really have the resources to carry out the type of space investment needed for exploration. Listeners asked about other forces of the time including the Cold War and space policy champions in leadership positions such as Tom Paine who was the NASA Administrator. Dr. Logsdon was asked how things might have been different had Hubert Humphry been elected president. Mars was also discussed, then Dr. Logsdon talked about the space shuttle history. In response to several questions, he shared his thoughts and experiences from his time spent serving on the CAIB. Another topic in this segment dealt with space advocacy. Our guest said we need advocacy to keep the dream alive until leadership makes it happen. He said talk about settlement and pioneering were mainly just words. Pioneering needed to answer two questions which he addressed before the break.

In segment two, we talked about the ISS and Shuttle having consumed the HSF budget and now the ISS does that with about $3 billion per year. Using the shuttle for national defense and security during the Nixon years was also a discussion topic as Nixon liked national security issues. Dr. Logsdon had much to say about the shuttle’s use by the military and for national security. You might be surprised by what you hear. As for human spaceflight, Dr. Logsdon referred her to the NRC Pathways Study which we have discussed many times on The Space Show. More questions came in regarding space advocacy which he said pushes the boundaries of realism and needs to be balanced between sober reality and pure fantasy. Tony emailed us to ask about SLS/Orion, private space over NASA, and Elon Musk and his Mars settlement plans. A question came in about being motivated by the Chinese space program. For closing remarks, Dr. Logsdon addressed the Nixon space policy and program legacy which still influences us today.

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AIAA Space Policy Program, Wednesday, 3-15-12 March 15, 2012

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AIAA Space Policy Program, Wednesday, 3-15-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1736-BWB-2012-03-15.mp3

Guests:  Steven Howell; John Rose.  Topics:  AIAA Space Policy Activities.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Steve Howell and John Rose to this special hour long American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) program on key issues of space policy for the U.S.  Please note that about 17 minutes into the discussion, our conversation was interrupted by music from an unknown source. I had to remove about a three minute section from our discussion due to the unwanted music which is why you will hear a rough edit in the recording.  We started the discussion with Steve giving us an overview of AIAA and its role in both aviation and space policy.  We talked about public space policy, Congress, and the role of industry.  In response to my asking him for the main areas of AIAA policy focus, he listed for us the key issues that have the attention of AIAA.  Don’t miss what he listed and said about each one.  We also talked about the fact that most of the key issues were long term issues.  I focused in on human spaceflight and our guests said we needed a sustainable human space transportation system that was safe and cost effective.  Also such a system should be a high priority.  Our guests were asked if they addressed specific projects such CCDEV or SLS. As you will hear, the AIAA focuses more on the policy, it does not attempt to pick the winners or specific programs relating to a policy.  One of the main discussion points from our guests dealt with workforce issues and making sure we do not lose vital skill sets for both the industry and our nation.  In response to other questions, our guests said that there was a “perfect storm” in Washington, DC regarding space policy, research programs, & civil space.  The lack of a vision was mentioned along with there being no defined mission, goals, or timelines.  Our guests then told us about the AIAA Congressional Visits Day which is open for your participation.  Find out more about it and their plans to personally lobby members of congress by visiting www.aiaa.org/cvd2012.  Listener Mike Snead asked our guests about AIAA policy regarding NASA human spaceflight standards & the NASA level of acceptable risk.  Both our guests had much to say in response to Mike regarding this issue, but for the most part they said AIAA provides technical support and analysis for the policy makers to use in making policy.  This is an important discussion you do not want to miss.  Space workforce issues came up again in our conversation.  Both John and Steve pointed out the key issues, including how the market has changed over the years. Also, how we now compete with countries that used to provide us with much of our special workforce labor.  We also talked about other fields of engineering being more popular with students than space.  Near the end, Dale called in on a bad phone line but he was able to ask about using modern green rocket technology, engines, and fuel rather than old technology and outdated chemical rocket propulsion.  I’m sure you will find the response to be interesting.

If you have questions/comments, post them on The Space Show blog URL above.  If you want to email either of our guests, send your note to me and I will forward it.