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Dennis Wingo, Tuesday, 2-3-15 February 4, 2015

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Dennis Wingo, Tuesday, 2-3-15


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Guest:  Dennis Wingo; Topics: Apollo space program, government space programs, national prestige, economic solar system development.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dennis Wingo back to the show to discuss his outstanding article, “The Quagmire of The Apollo Space Program” (see https://denniswingo.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/the-quagmire-of-the-apollo-space-program).  During the first segment of our 1 hour 58 minute discussion, Dennis started out by telling us about his interest in the subject and why he decided to research and write the article in question.  He methodically took us through many of his resources and research methods, highlighting a few resources along the way that were instrumental in his analysis and coming to his conclusions.  One resource he discussed was Ralph Cordiner, the former General Electric CEO.  He also cited many examples in support of his conclusions so I strongly urge you to read his article in association with listening to this program.  He also cited the references indicating that entrepreneurial activity was not what they wanted to happen as an outgrowth of Apollo as it was meant to be a national prestige program.  Given the dysfunction with government, Doug emailed in asking about public/private partnerships.  Dennis offered qualified support for them but listen to what he had to say on this hybrid model.  Dennis then talked about R&D tax credits but for start-ups, the Zero G Zero Tax program was better.  Much of our ongoing discussion in both segments focused on aspects of the Zero G Zero Tax concept.  Doug sent in several emails asking about Zero G Zero Tax before the segment ended.

In the second segment, Charles Lurio called and wanted to know if Pro Space or any organization would be pushing for Zero G Zero Tax this year.  Dennis did not think so but it might happen.  In response to other questions, Dennis explained how Zero G Zero Tax might work because it would only be applicable for new businesses, not existing businesses.  Don’t miss this explanation.  Later, Doug asked if we were running out of resources on Earth that might cause a need for space resource development.  Dennis had much to say on this, especially regarding rare earth elements.  This prompted a call from Kristophr about thorium as a reason the US does not develop its huge rare earth element resources while China does develop theirs plus they stockpile the thorium for future use.  Dennis and Kristophr had a very interesting conversation about this topic and I assure you, you do not want to miss it.  As the segment advanced, Dennis spoke to the commercial opportunities arising from the ISS which he said were very important.  SLS came up and he said it was a done deal but that the key was to focus on what was good and could be built by private enterprise to economically develop the solar system which should be the goal.  To this end, we talked about the need for a transportation system, cislunar development, the asteroids, etc.  In his summary comments, Dennis said that for the bottom line, there were lots of positive things going on at this time.  He spoke to free people and private enterprise leading the way to the economic development of the solar system.  I believe his closing comments spoke to the interests of almost all of us listening to The Space Show.

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Brent Sherwood, Tuesday, 7-24-12 July 25, 2012

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Brent Sherwood, Tuesday, 7-24-12


Guest:  Brent Sherwood.  Topics: Human spaceflight to Mars: Is it on the path or a distraction?  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Brent Sherwood back to the show to discuss his GLEX paper and ideas regarding human spaceflight (HSF), Mars, and alternative NASA goals/missions regarding HSF.  His GLEX paper, “Mars-On the Path or in the Way” is posted on The Space Show blog following this program summary.  Please read & review his paper as it contains far more detail regarding his proposal, analysis and his conclusion than what we were able to discuss during our program.  In our first segment, Mr. Sherwood provided us with the background and context for his having written this paper and for his conclusion that HSF to Mars is not the right path. He then outlined alternative paths for HSF missions that he believes can better “regain the cultural centrality of human space flight and grow by attracting private capital.” Our guest talked about the value proposition of a HSF mission to Mars, plus the value proposition of the alternatives he describes in his paper & on this program.  The value proposition is understood to refer to the value received by sending humans to Mars (or the alternative HSF missions) as compared to the value of the mission costs, the opportunity costs, risks, etc.  Mr. Sherwood assesses the value proposition for all of his alternative HSF proposals which include the Explore Mars mission, lunar settlement, space passenger travel, and SSP.  For most of this initial segment, Brent outlined his ideas and explained why he has concluded that HSF to Mars does not measure up as a value promise & why SSP is his first choice.  We began taking listener email questions and phone calls after he summarized his position  & as you can imagine, most all the listener questions/comments were of the challenging nature to his conclusion that HSF to Mars was not in the best interest of our space program.  I urge you read his paper and to pay attention to the technical, cost, time line, and historical information shared with us by our guest.

In the second segment of this nearly two hour program, Brent took questions and expanded more as to why he supports other options than HSF to Mars.  He also explained why he is calling for a debate on this issue within the space community.  At the start of this segment, I asked him if he thought discovering life on Mars would change his opinion and the value proposition.  He said no but did say it would expedite the Martian sample return mission, but would not alter the variables & unknowns involved in the magnitude of technology challenges needing resolution before sending humans safely to and from Mars.  Toward the end of our discussion, I asked how he might move forward to implement the industry debate he has called for on this show & in his paper.  Suggestions on how to do this are wanted so if you have any, post them on the blog.

Brent would like your feedback so after listening to this program and reading his paper, please post comments/questions on the blog.  You can email Brent Sherwood by sending your note to me & I will forward it to him.

Brent Sherwood’s GLEX Paper:

Mars-On the Path or In the Way?