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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13 January 24, 2013

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John Batchelor “Hotel Mars,” Wednesday, 1-23-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1935-BWB-2013-01-23.mp3

 

Guests:  John Batchelor, Wayne White, Dr. David Livingston:  Topics: Space law, space property rights, asteroid mining.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce.  This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com.  During our 11 minute plus discussion, Wayne White and I talked with John Batchelor about space property rights and the absence of them, asteroid mining, the Outer Space Treaty, space law, and viewing the coming commercial space activity with asteroid mining as being similar to the 49er days of early California.  John asked lots of questions comparing this period to what he sees as the coming future for asteroid mining. Wayne talked about mining law, legal claims through the diplomatic process and more.

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Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12 November 21, 2012

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Dr. Edythe Weeks, Tuesday, 11-20-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1897-BWB-2012-11-20.mp3

Guest:  Dr Edythe (Edy) Weeks.  Topics: We discussed her book, various commercial space development models, benefit sharing & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. We welcomed Dr. Edythe (Edy) Weeks to the program to discuss her book, “Outer Space Development, International Relations and Space Law: A Method for Elucidating Seeds.” You can buy her book on Amazon & if you use the following URL, Amazon will contribute to The Space Show/OGLF: www.amazon.com/Outer-Space-Development-International-Relations/dp/1443839655/ref=onegiantlea20.  During our first segment of this 2.5 hour discussion, Dr. Weeks introduced us to her book and the need to understand space development from an international relations perspective.  We talked about how the industry has evolved over the last 20+ years, innovations such as citizen science suborbital missions, new commercial players, & innovative business ideas such as asteroid mining.  Dr. Weeks talked extensively about the need for an ideological shift toward space throughout the non-space population & within our global educational systems.  When Todd from San Diego emailed Edy as to how to create the ideological shift, that opened a discussion on how such shifts are created.  It was very interesting that one of the major examples cited by our guest included the growth & popularity of tattoos.  This sparked quite a conversation, some of it laced with humor, lots of fun, but also relevant points to our discussion.  As our segment was ending, our guest talked about the need to include other perspectives in the space benefits, those coming from outside the STEM fields.
     In our second & very long segment, I opened up asking Edy about the ideas in her book in support of benefit sharing & the Common Heritage of Mankind concepts found in some of the U.N. space treaties.  This discussion prevailed for the balance of our program as our guest is looking for new and different business & social models for space to be more inclusive which she believes will lead to more space commerce.  I took a challenging & argumentative position throughout most of the discussion in explaining why most in the NewSpace and commercial space industries do not support benefit sharing and why. We talked about the need for property rights & why such rights would facilitate commercial development.  Dr. Weeks was not supportive of the property rights positions, looking more for space development to accomplish much needed social change and reform around the world. Also, she made the case that property rights were not needed nor supported by the treaties & their working papers. Dr. Weeks did clarify her position regarding capitalism, the U.S., commercial space companies & benefit sharing ideas so don’t miss her clarification. Let us know your thoughts on our blog. Tax revenues were discussed but as you will hear, our guest focuses on actual benefit sharing beyond tax payments to help create wealth for everyone, including those that would be the recipient of the benefit sharing programs & the commercial space business.  We talked about voluntary charitable giving as compared to mandatory or government required giving through benefit sharing.  I cited Microsoft & Google models for why private sector giving with the pursuit of business unfettered by government induced benefit sharing is better.  Tim called in to express his very strong views in support of the private sector & his opposition to reallocation of resources regardless of how it is termed by either government or the UN.  Edy referenced the OST & the Moon Treaty in making her points, making the case that outer space resources belong to everyone, not just the developer.  While we did use an outrageously successful multi-trillion dollar model for our discussion of the space mining example, the idea was made that the company could easily afford to “give” a percentage to the benefit sharing process, over & above taxes, assuming the company was profitable, even at more realistic levels.  Our guest was very articulate in presenting her views & ideas, plus her book does a very good job of comprehensively dealing with what we just barely had time to scratch during our program.  For more information, check out Edy’s blog and YouTube video:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=okyVWJglxow & http://blogs.webster.edu/globalthinking/blog/2012/07/16/outer-space-development-is-subject-of-new-book-by-hpirs-edythe-weeks/#more-2802.
     Please post all comments/questions about this discussion on The Space Show blog.  I will bring all comments to the attention of Dr. Weeks on a regular basis.

Wayne White, Monday, 10-15-12 October 15, 2012

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Wayne White, Monday, 10-15-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1873-BWB-2012-10-15.mp3

Guest:  Wayne White.   Topics:  Space law, The Space Pioneer Act, property rights & commercial space development.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed Wayne White back to the program to discuss his proposal for The Space Pioneer Act (SPA).  His Power Point presentation on this Act has been uploaded to The Space Show blog.  Later in the program we talked about his new business venture, SpaceBooster, LLC.  Background on SpaceBooster has also been uploaded to The Space Show blog.  Mr. White started our discussion with an overview on his proposed SPA and the five United Nations treaties that generally control the behavior in space by all nations, including the issues of property rights, space salvage, and space mining.  Mr. White spent a considerable amount of time on this discussion, the Outer Space Treaty (OST) and the Moon Treaty.  Our guest then introduced us to the idea of “innovative financing” which is a type of tax being proposed in the U.N.  This prompted quite the discussion. Next, our guest took us to salvage law, the Law of the Sea Treaty, and the space asset registration lists with both the Air Force and the U.N. Transferring ownership title of space based assets was a major part of this part of the discussion, including reciprocity with similar laws that might eventually be enacted in other countries.  Atty. Michael called in and we had a mini-legal debate on these issues, the treaties, enforcement, and alternatives.  Wayne then introduced us to the Deep Sea Hard Mineral Resources Act as being relevant to parts of The Space Pioneers Act.

In our second segment, Wayne talked about the history of many of our laws consistent with what he proposes in his Act.  He said that 2012 was the 150th anniversary of the Homestead Act and he connected the benefits of the Homestead Act with what might happen in space with the SPA.  He also talked about the 1872 General Mining Act which then led him to talking about Article 2 of the OST.  Our guest was calling for the “use it or lose it” regime.  Space mining was discussed in this segment along with jurisdictional issues, both internationally and domestically.  Later in the segment, Wayne talked about his new business, SpaceBooster LLC.  You can find out more by visiting their website, www.spacebooster.com though Wayne did say the website is still under construction and being developed.  Near the end of the program, we talked about space tourism liability, informed consent, insurance, and the meaning of the term “spaceflight participant” as opposed to being a passenger.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  You can reach Wayne White, Atty, through The Space Pioneer Act presentation on our blog.

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National Center For Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law, Friday, 10-12-12 October 13, 2012

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National Center For Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law, Friday, 10-12-12

With Chuck Dickey, John Wood, & Nick Welly

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1871-BWB-2012-10-12.mp3

Guests:  Chuck Dickey, John Wood, Nick Welly.  Topics:  We discuss the NationalCenter for Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law at Ole Miss.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We welcomed our three guests to the program to discuss the benefits and services provided to the U.S. along with the global space community by the National Center for Remote Sensing, Air & Space Law at the University of Mississippi School of Law as well as the quality legal education afforded the students pursuing an interest in space law. Visit their website for more information and for the publications and events mentioned during our discussion:  www.spacelaw.olemiss.edu. Our program started with an opening statement about the Center by each of our three guests.  As you will hear, John and Nick were students at the Center while Chuck has been a user of services provided by the Center as well as providing internship opportunities for the space law students.  Each guest told just how important the Center was and still is to them and their work.  Throughout our program, we talked about the Center Director, Joanne Irene Gabrynowicz who has been a guest on this program several times in the past.  In our first segment, we talked about international space law, U.S. space law, and other space law schools, comparing their programs to those offered by the National Center.  Specific issues such as remote sensing were highlighted as was commercial space, and telecommunications.  Published by the National Center, the Journal of Space Law was discussed, including the archival base as well as new issue subscriptions.  We talked about some of the articles published in it and the publication as an outstanding resource for space law and researchers in general.  Also mentioned was the Res Communis blog which is a free subscription providing important and timely information about aviation and space law issues.  Michael called in to talk about academics, treaty space law, international space law issues, and the contributions to the field from the Center.  He mentioned the upcoming 7th Galloway Symposium on Critical Issues in Space Law in Washington, DC, an event sponsored by the Center.  You can find out more about this event on the Center’s website.

In our short second segment, I asked about planetary protection and Article 9 of the OST based on our program earlier in the week with the director of NASA’s Planetary Protection office.  Our guests told us about their studies and work in this area and the relevance of this to the work of the Center.  Listener Sagi called in to talk about the Center and how it has benefitted him in his law practice & more. I also thanked him for his part in helping me set up this program with our three guests. Other topics during this segment included commercial space, commercial space companies, other space law programs in the U.S. and around the world, plus the European Code of Conduct for Outer Space Development.  Our three guests left us with meaningful closing comments which you definitely want to hear.

Please post your comments/questions about this discussion on The Space Show blog.

 

Susan Holden Martin, Monday, 7-30-12 July 31, 2012

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Susan Holden Martin, Monday, 7-30-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1824-BWB-2012-07-30.mp3

Guest:  Susan Holden Martin.  Topics:  Mars Society 2012 Conference, MSL & Curiosity landing, JPL.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted
without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Susan Holden Martin, the new Executive Director of The Mars Society, to the program to discuss this year’s conference, the MSL mission & landing, and more. You can follow along with us regarding the conference program at www.marssociety.org/convention2012. The conference is being held in Pasadena, CA from August 3-5 at the Pasadena Convention Center. As our program was an ongoing conference and JPL-Mars Science Lab discussion, I am summarizing our discussion without regard to segments.  Note the discussion on conference registration and hotels in the area given the conference begins in just a few days and online registration is now closed.  We summarized most of the agenda, highlighted the special programs, panels, and guests, and talked conference logistics.  Listeners asked about the Curiosity landing, putting heavy payloads on the surface of Mars, and the Sky Crane which will be used in the landing process.  Later in the program, Susan discussed the arrangements with The Planetary Society & their program at the Pasadena Convention Center, Planetfest 2012 which is going on at the same time.  We also talked about the Conference banquet, the award to Elon Musk, Falcon 9 models on Amazon (use the OGLF code if you buy one so that Amazon will donate to The Space Show, www.amazon.com/SpaceX-Falcon-Dragon-Flying-Rocket/dp/B006GX14R8/ref=onegiantlea20).  Another key part of the conference is direct feed from JPL to see the Curiosity landing Sunday evening, August 5, 10:30 PM PDT.  During the last few minutes of the
program, Susan updated us on other Mars Society programs including MDRS, the University Rover Competition, the Musk Observatory, the Mars Society in the UK, and more.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. If you have conference questions or want to be in touch with Ms. Martin, you can email her at susanm@marssociety.org.

Kepler Space Institute Webinar, Sunday, 2-5-12 February 5, 2012

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Kepler Space Institute Webinar, Sunday, 2-5-12

http://vimeo.com/channels/thespaceshow  To see the webinar

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1705-BWB-2012-02-05.mp3

Guests: Dr. Bob Krone, Dr. Sherry Bell, Dr. Robert Frantz.  Topics:  KeplerSpaceUniversity, the development of the Kepler Space Institute, the KSI Convention, & cutting edge space research & education. THE SPACE SHOW VIMEO CHANEL FOR VIDEO IS http://vimeo.com/channels/thespaceshow.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed our three guests, Dr. Bob Krone, Dr. Sherry Bell & Dr. Robert Frantz to this special webinar Space Show two hour program to discuss the Kepler Space University, the development of the Kepler Space Institute (KSI) and the upcoming KSI Convention to be held at Hilton Head, SC. from March 14-16, 2012.  Please note that this program is archived as both a traditional Space Show audio only program and as a webinar video on The Space Show Vimeo Channel per the above URL.  Both formats will be available simultaneously.  Our discussion started with Dr. Krone providing us with the history for the Kepler Space Institute and University, followed by a Power Point presentation by Dr. Frantz sharing with us the KSI facilities and programming development plans.  Our focus then turned to the upcoming KSI Convention.  For more information, please visit the following Kepler websites:  www.keplerspaceinstitute.info for convention information and registration and www.keplerspaceuniversity.com forKeplerUniversity and general Kepler information.  Our three guests shared the microphone to tell us about the topics, programming, and cutting edge focus not only for the convention, but for Kepler.  In addition, during the first hour of our program we talked about art and culture issues related directly to space science, exploration and development.  We also talked about the innovative concept of real-time data and information gathering and how it will be used at the KSI Convention.

In the second hour of our webinar, we talked about the cutting edge research by Dr. Joel Isaacson regarding Recursive Distinctioning.  Dr. Isaacson wrote Ch. 24 in the book “Beyond Earth: The Future of Humans In Space. ” This chapter is available for reading/downloading on The Space Show Blog entry for this program per the above URL.  As you will hear, the convention has a sharp focus on Kids in Space and developing programs to encourage younger students to get interested in the STEM programs along with space related fields of study/interest.  The convention will have segments on space law and the quality of laws based on the respective work of frequent Space Show guests, Declan O’Donnell and Dr. David Schrunk.  Space Solar Power has the attention of the convention along with other research, historical, cultural, and space themed topics.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog URL above.  If you want to get in touch with either of our three guests, you can do so through me or through the KSI website.

NOTE: Chapter 24 Ch. 24 in the book “Beyond Earth: The Future Of Humans In Space.”  The Intelligence Nexus in Space Exploration: Interfaces Among Terrestrial, Artifactual and Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence  is here: 

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Michael Listner, Monday, 1-2-12 January 2, 2012

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Michael Listner, Monday, 1-2-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1681-BWB-2012-01-02.mp3

Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  National and international space law issues including property rights, the Moon Treaty & more.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomes Michael Listner to the program to discuss national and international space law issues and related matters.  We started out discussing the new Austrian domestic space law and inquiring of our guest why we should take note of this Austrian law here in the U.S.  As you will hear from Mr. Listner, the new Austrian law relates specifically to the UN space treaties and plays a role in international space law.  Our guest wrote a recent article on this subject in The Space Review on Dec. 12, 2011.  You can read his article at www.thespacereview.com/article/1988/1.  Another interesting article of his you might value is in DefensePolicy.org from July 7, 2011 and titled “TCBMs: A New Definition and New Role for Outer Space Security.”  You can download it at www.defensepolicy.org/2011/michlis/tcbms-a-new-definition-and-new-role-for-outer-space-security. Our discussion then focused on launching country issues and liability, satellite operations in different countries and both the Liability and the Registration U.N. Conventions.  This discussion led us to talking about the European Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities and Michael updated us on the status of this voluntary agreement, both on the international front as well as here in the U.S.  Other issues discussed in this segment included space debris and the Draft Russian Chinese Treaty On The Prevention Of The Placement Of Weapons In Outer Space (PPWT).  We also talked about the Chinese GPS system covering Asia, its military focus, and Chinese geo political intersects.  Michael then introduced us to Transparency and Confidence Building Measures (TCBMs) as alternatives to treaties. This prompted several listener questions and comments about “so called” government transparency, the word of governments, and their effectiveness so far.  This was an interesting discussion, especially when I asked our guest for his personal opinion on these types of agreements.  Space tourism became a subject and we spent some time on the liability issues and the states that have passed liability protection laws for the space companies.  Jack from Virginia was listening and provided us with important information about the Virginia law which he largely authored and which has become a model for the laws in Florida, Texas, and New Mexico.  We spent the rest of the first segment talking about liability and space tourism issues. In the second segment, Helen asked if funding levels for NASA and space interests correlated to up’s and downs in space policy.  As you will hear, most policy is driven by politics, not funding levels.  There were lots of questions about the legality of the Moon Treaty and its applicability to commercial space, even Google Lunar X Prize contestants.  We fielded questions on lunar mineral extractions as well as messing with Apollo artifacts on the Moon.  We then jumped over to property rights and what this actually means regarding space issues.  As we were nearing the end of our discussion, I asked Michael if space law was largely an academic field or if it was becoming a career choice field in terms of practical application.  He said it was becoming more and more practical and more and more schools were offering commercial law classes.  If you have comments or questions for Michael Listner, please post them on the blog URL above.

Matthew Kleiman, Monday, 11-28-11 November 29, 2011

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Matthew Kleiman, Monday, 11-28-11

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1662-BWB-2011-11-28.mp3

Guest:  Matthew Kleiman.  Topics:  Protecting Apollo artifacts on the Moon, space legal & property rights issues.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  The Space Show/OGLF is now engaged in its annual fundraising drive. Please see & act upon our appeal at https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/space-show-2011-fundraising-campaign. We welcomed Matthew (Matt) Kleiman to the show to discuss his recent TSR article, “Protecting Apollo artifacts on the Moon, written on November 7, 2011. You can read the article at www.thespacereview.com/article/1961/1.  We began our discussion by describing the Apollo artifact situation, explaining ownership of them per the Outer Space Treaty in that there is no space salvage law.  He said NASA recently issued guidelines for protecting the Apollo artifacts given the likelihood that private companies and possibly other nations might get to the sites, disturb or alter them, or even contaminate a few of the ongoing experiments that are still functioning.  As you will hear, the guidelines are not enforceable, they are voluntary, and  you can find them at www.collectspace.com/news/NASA-USG_lunar_historic_sites.pdf.  We spent a major part of this segment talking about the guidelines and related issues.  Also discussed were liability issues and the problem with determining negligence regarding space activities.  A listener asked about the timing of the NASA guidelines announcement given that at least for now, we are unable to return to the Moon.  Matt then separated out robotic missions to the Moon as compared to humans returning to the Moon.  Our discussion also took us to the issue of property rights on the Moon and elsewhere in space.  We started the next segment by asking Matt about the Moon Treaty and its status.  We talked some more about salvage law for space and addressed the issue of why the US prefers to use international law for protecting the sites rather than doing it unilaterally as that raises potential sovereignty issues posed the by the space treaties.  Phobos-Grunt came up with regards to space debris issues.  During our space debris discussion, we talked about liability, the fact that an individual cannot bring an action other than through his/her country (the State Department for U.S. citizens) and more.  Matt talked about and described the Reasonable Person Doctrine.  A listener asked about the Google Lunar X-Prize and Matt briefly talked about the Draper programs with two teams.  He also told us about the long standing Draper Labs participation in our space program and that Draper Labs was the first non-government Apollo team member.  Another listener asked about the common heritage of mankind language in the Moon Treaty and to a lesser degree in the Outer Space Treaty.  Toward the end of our discussion, we talked about the challenges for making new treaties and the concepts/programs being used to accomplish nearly the same as a treaty but using a process other than a treaty.  If you have questions/comments, please post them on The Space Show blog URL above.  Matt can be emailed at matthew.kleiman@gmail.com.