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Charles Chafer, Monday, 10-26-15 October 27, 2015

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Charles Chafer, Monday, 10-26-15

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Guest: Charles Chafer. Topics: Commercial space history & overview, space burial and memorial services. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Charlie Chafer back to the program to discuss commercial space, the Celestis space memorial services and flights, plus much more. During the first segment of our 88 minute program, Charlie started out by providing an overview of the commercial space history since he played a huge role in its start decades ago. For example, he talked about the fist ever commercial launch that was done by his company, the regulatory and permit process back then, and how the industry has evolved since those early days. It’s a most interesting discussion with one of the major founders of the commercial space industry. We then changed topic to talk about the space memorial services and how this industry has changed since 1994 when Charlie co-founded Celestis. As for today, Celestis has a global customer space offering several categories of space memorial services, all of which are described on the Celestis website, www.celestis.com. There launches are far more routine today with more launch vehicle availability. Regarding the lunar service, he talked about sending Eugene Shoemaker’s remains to the Moon, then later in the second segment, he talked about the commercial space significance of having done this. Celestis offers four services including Earth Rise which is suborbital, an orbital service known as Earth Orbit or Earth view, the Lunar Service, and the Voyager Service which is a deep space mission. He described each service but also he talked at length as to how Celestis carries out a memorial spaceflight starting with advance work before the launch, tours of the launch pad, a special Celestial memorial service, and the launch. Listeners asked Charlie several questions about the service including listener Judy who had seen rocket launches before and wondered how those attending a memorial service launch viewed watching a rocket launch. Before the segment ended, Charlie was asked about pet memorial services. Celestis offers the Celestis Pets Memorial service. Check out www.celestispets.com for more information on this service.

In the second segment, we focused on commercial space, customers, markets, commercial waves and more. Our guest pointed out some thoughts that might suggest a possible commercial space “bubble” ahead. He also talked about & described the three waves of commercial space history. Charlie talked about his interest in opening up commercial markets in the space weather field and we talked about the value of data as a product. Regarding SSP which he mentioned, he said it has not developed but may do so down the road in the future. The same for pharmaceuticals and other energy related possibilities. We talked about the many commercial applications, customers, and uses for GPS, truly a successful commercial space field and product. A listener asked Charlie how he thought the commercial markets might change if we had low cost commercial launches available to go to private, commercial space stations instead of the ISS. Jake wanted to know Charlie’s thoughts on SLS and Orion. I asked Charlie if he saw any possibilities for human spaceflight commercial products or services in the near to intermediate term. Other points of interest included space tourism and adventure travel, especially for orbital flight which might be 15-17 years in the future. A listener then asked Charlie about the lunar memorial service and if you had to be a special person to get permission to be have remains sent to the Moon. Charlie described the process they went through with Gene Shoemaker and why they did it the way they did it because they wanted to set a commercial space precedent for the future. Among his closing comments, he said space is hard and take action to follow your dreams.

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Debra Facktor Lepore, Friday, 10-16-15 October 17, 2015

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Debra Facktor Lepore, Friday, 10-16-15

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2566-BWB-2015-10-16.mp3

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Guest: Debra Facktor Lepore..  Topics:  Commercial space value & projects, advocacy, & valuable space industry insights.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Debra Facktor Lepore to this special one hour one segment program in which we discussed numerous space industry topics.  We started out getting an historical overview of Ball Aerospace, including our learning about some of their new projects with S. Korea and new technologies.  We did a 135  year overview in just a few minutes.  The company really does have a fascinating and most interesting history, including the Ball jars dating back to the 1880s when the company started.  The aerospace part of their history dates back 60 years.  Debra did a good job in summarizing their aerospace history, including moving forward with NewSpace, non profits, cubesats and more.  Listeners asked our guest many email questions including her view of the trends in the space industry, especially among the entrepreneurial segment.  Other topics discussed included disruptive markets and technology, the launch industry, SpaceX, ULA & others, plus the need for viable, productive space  markets.  One market she talked about that was in demand was the market for space data.  Debra had much to say on this subject so don’t miss it.  Debra was asked about human spaceflight which she classified as exploration, discovery, and human nature.  Listener Jack asked Debra about space projects based on the “coolness factor” rather than commercial or national security value.  This proved a very interesting conversation so again, I urge you not to miss it.  Another listener asked about trends toward public only projects, public/private projects, and international cooperative space projects.  Near the end of the show, we had a few listener questions about kids studying engineering but preferring something like an Apple employment to NASA or the space industry because space projects take so long and are often cancelled.   Debra had much to say about this subject plus the potential of space to impact so many other fields.  This prompted an email from a listener who drives part time for Uber.  She pointed out how it was disruptive and based on space technology.  This too was a most interesting discussion that I am sure you will appreciate.  In conclusion, Debra paid her respects to the late George Mueller who recently passed away.   George was a great influence on her life , her career, and the space industry as far back as Apollo.  You can read about Mr. Mueller at http://spacenews.com/george-mueller-apollo-manager-and-kistler-founder-dies.

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 3-26-13 March 27, 2013

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 3-26-13

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Guest:  Robert (Bob) Zimmerman.  Topics:  Space news, company updates, and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomes Bob Zimmerman back for a two hour wide ranging discussion on space news, company updates, sequestration, policy, and more.  Be sure to check out his blog, http://behindtheblack.com.   Bob started out talking about the e-book release of his book, “Genesis, The Story of Apollo 8.”  He then talked about the upcoming Falcon 9 launches, their importance and significance.  Bob mentioned ILS and the Proton rocket which is having its problems causing insurance rates to rise. He said the Russians will absorb all insurance cost increases to keep Proton at a price advantage point.  This opened the door to a discussion about SpaceX and price competiveness in the launch industry.  Bob switched gears to the suborbitals and said we should be seeing Virgin powered tests soon.  He also talked about Stratolaunch per a recent Parabolic Arc article.  Bob was talking reusability and the RLV so I asked him if he was aware of economic analysis and data that was not supportive of an RLV short of a substantial increase in launch demand. Bob had much to say about this with his opinion. The RLV economic issue continued to be discussed in both segments of our program. Tim called in about it as well.  We talked about Sen. Rubio and his budget amendment suggesting NASA divest itself of unused assets & use the saved money for commercial space.  Bob then brought up sequestration and the announcement that NASA will be shutting down all public outreach but they will keep their PR arm going for their projects and missions.  We also mentioned Sarah Brightman and both her ISS and Virgin space tourism efforts.  Near the close of this segment, Inspiration Mars was discussed and as you will hear, Bob is skeptical, citing human factors & other reasons for his opinion.  Larry asked about North Korean rockets and threats to the U.S. west coast.  Bob said he took them seriously though their rocket was not yet ready for prime time. Bob also threw in Iranian rockets and threats and said he was more concerned about advances by Iran than N. Korea at this time.

In segment two, we talked about both the science side of NASA and the HSF side.  I’m sure you will find the comparison and mission summaries of interest.  John called in from Atlanta to raise yet again the question of reusability.  He thought it would be enhanced with the use of orbiting fuel depots. Bob was skeptical.  Don’t miss this discussion.  I asked both Bob and John about Inspiration Mars, Jim emailed in a comment about Falcon 1 relative to comments being made by Bob, and we talked about the upcoming Orbital Sciences Antares launch.  We got into the subject of risk taking and Bob and I talked about mining risks as well as caving risks.  As Bob is an accomplished caver, he had much to say about both mining and caving.  Near the end, we got a call about various spaceports in different states and spaceport commercial success so far.  Bob concluded saying that we are in an unstable world which could absolutely adversely impact all aspects of space and commercial space development and progress.

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Hoyt Davidson, Sunday, 12-30-12 December 30, 2012

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Hoyt Davidson, Sunday, 12-30-12

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Guest:  Hoyt Davidson.  Topics:  Commercial space financing, markets, and risks.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.  We welcomed Hoyt Davidson to the program to discuss commercial space from the perspective of markets and financing.  Mr. Davidson, founder and managing Partner of near Earth LLC (www.nearearthllc.com) shared with us his expertise and experience in a very instructive discussion on these important topics.  While much of the focus was on the commercial satellite industry, the applications apply across the board in the commercial space industry.  One of the topics we discussed in great detail was market risk. In fact, our gust suggested market risk was a bigger challenge and more of a possible road block than technical or regulatory risks.  Mr. Davidson also said what many others in the commercial space arena say and that is that the companies prefer to see themselves within their overall general industry such as media and communications rather than as a space company.  We talked about several popularly touted possible commercial space industries from a market perspective, the length of time needed for a return on investment, and what is referred to as Death Valley for space entrepreneurs.  Death Valley refers to an opportunity being too large for an angel investor but too small for venture capital.  In talking about market risks, we also talked about getting investor partners to strengthen the deal. XM Radio was cited as an example.  The pursuit of market research was discussed, both from the perspective of using a market research company and doing the market research in-house. Other potential commercial space industries were examined including space tourism, citizen science for orbital with cubesats as well as suborbital, space solar power, satellite internet services, and the use of public/private partnerships.

In our second segment, a listener wanted to know about space focused investment banking career opportunities for MBA graduates.  Next, we talked at length about public/private partnerships and being “pure” regarding what constitutes a commercial space company.  In this context, pure refers to not having a mix of government and private capital, instead being 100% private. SpaceX with Cots and Commercial Crew served as one of our company examples but we also noted that no such 100% pure private company was out there given the costs and challenges of space ventures.  Listeners asked about private capital financing for NASA science missions such as a Europa mission.  Other listeners wanted to know about commercial opportunities for human spaceflight. Here, our guest suggested the opportunities were more with the robotic missions that come before the human missions.  Toward the end, a listener asked how higher tax rates might impact risky commercial space investments.  We also talked about geographical areas of special investment expertise in the U.S. and in other countries. Silicon Valley is not the only player in this field.

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Tom Olson, Dr. John Jurist, Friday, 6-22-12 June 22, 2012

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Tom Olson, Dr. John Jurist, Friday, 6-22-12

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Guests:  Tom Olson, Dr. John Jurist.  Topics:  The return to life of the Space Cynic blog, http://spacecynic.wordpress.com. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Tom Olson and Dr. John Jurist to discuss our plans to reactivate the Space Cynic blog, http://spacecynic.wordpress.com.  Tom started our Space Show discussion with an historical overview of why the Space Cynic blog was created by Shubber Ali and the three of us.  We talked about some of the past programs, themes we wrote about, the goal of the blog, and the Walking Eagle Award.  We mostly focused on the business side of issues, the engineering, human factors, and other issues that can make or break any venture, including a space venture.  We each mentioned some examples that highlight the themes we respectively focused on with the blog, including asteroid mining and space solar power.  We also talked about themes we have in common with one another. Each of us mentioned some new themes we are interested in once the blog becomes active again, probably by September at the latest.  A new feature of the rebirth of the Cynics blog will be the opportunity to be a guest Space Cynic blogger.  Details on this will soon be posted on the Space Cynic blog but we did mention of few of the obvious guidelines during our discussion.  We also talked about making comments on the blog and opening up the Walking Eagle Award to a blog reader nomination process.  Note that I will archive this program on Space Cynics as well as The Space Show blog but do understand that The Space Show has no formal relationship to Space Cynics other than as an individual, I am one of the four space cynic contributors.  We welcome your feedback on bringing the Space Cynic blog back to active life.  Post your comments on either blog or both of them.

If you want to email either of the guests on this show or space cynic founder Shubber Ali, you can do so through me and I will forward your email to the person of your choice.

William (Bill) Mellberg, Tuesday, 1-31-12 February 1, 2012

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William (Bill) Mellberg, Tuesday, 1-31-12

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1702-BWB-2012-01-31.mp3

Guest:  William (Bill) Mellberg.  Topics:  Comparing aviation to commercial space regarding markets, safety, and more. Explorer 1 54th anniversary.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Bill Mellberg to the program to compare the early days of aviation with today’s commercial space industry. We also honored the 54th anniversary of Explorer 1.  Mr. Mellberg started the discussion with Explorer 1 by talking about the early history of Vanguard, Explorer 1, Werner Von Braun, Ernst Stuhlinger & more. Richard Easton called & we talked about timing, GPS, clock synchronization, his Dad’s work, and Vanguard early history.  Turning to our main topic, comparing the early days of aviation history to the commercial space industry today, our guest said it was a flawed comparison.  During the first segment, he explains in detail his reasoning which has to do with commercial markets, what the government is paying for regarding commercial space as compared to what it paid for with aviation, specifically the Kelly Air Mail Act of 1925.  We also talked about the early history of Fokker Aircraft Company which he tied into our discussion on markets, market timing, and production capabilities.  Mr. Mellberg addressed human spaceflight safety from the point of view that it would be extremely hard for the commercial companies to master safety given the complexities & costs of human spaceflight & the potential damage or even ruination of the company should there be a fatal accident.  Before the segment ended, our guest drove home the lack of commercial markets for human spaceflight.  There must be HSF markets other than the government market for the ISS.  

In our second segment, our guest cited some airplane examples that were ahead of the market and suffered from bad market timing.  He then used the SST as an example of the points he was making about high operating costs, no or limited markets, government subsidies, etc.  He went over the economics of why the Boeing SST was killed by our congress and what happens when the ticket price is so high that a broad market cannot be realized.  Listeners and callers asked about government regulation crippling innovation.  Bill then suggested the path to commercialization was with a program such a what Dr. Spudis and Dr. Lavoie have proposed in their paper “Using the resources of the Moon to create a permanent, cislunar space faring system” as well as on The Space Show. You can read their paper at www.spudislunarresources.com/Bibliography/p/102.pdf.  Bill said that eventually as cislunar economic develop evolves, so would commercial markets and opportunities.  He also recommended the NASA reorganization plan proposed last year by Dr. Harrison Schmitt. You can read his plan at www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=37176.  Our guest suggested that we should use the money being invested in commercial human spaceflight to do space exploration projects because commercial space today is an unnecessary diversion of scarce resources in a tight economy.  Throughout our discussion, he talked about government contracting and why it is different today, not commercial, and unlike what was done in early aviation and with airmail.  At the end of the program, our guest treated us to some of his political humor and impersonations per his program, “An Evening With The Presidents.”

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