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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-1-15 July 2, 2015

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The John Batchelor Show Hotel Mars, Wednesday, 7-1-15

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Guests: John Batchelor, Michael Listner, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: U.S. National Space Policy & the next administration. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm). For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

 

John Batchelor and I welcomed back space attorney Michael Listner to the program to discuss the significance of the U.S. National Space Policy. We talked about some of the choices the next administration might have in formulating a new national space policy including the continuation of subsidies to the commercial space industry, to finally take up space debris removal policy for U.S. debris, and even to start formulating policy on space property rights. Michael also discussed the trend toward transparency and confidence building measures which are a product of the Executive Branch as compared to treaties which need approval from the Senate. I asked Michael if he thought we might start seeing policy emerge as to the usage of cubesats plus I asked how human spaceflight might be impacted by a new national space policy.

 

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 6-14-15 June 14, 2015

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 6-14-15

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2493-BWB-2015-06-14.mp3

Listner: National Space Policy

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  U.S. National Space Policy, commercial/private space, & its impact on national & international space law/activities.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back space attorney Michael Listner to discuss the importance of the U.S. National Space Policy, both nationally and internationally.  Please refer to the document Michael prepared for this show which you can find on The Space Show blog, “NATIONAL SPACE POLICY A PRÉCIS OF FUNDAMENTALS & PURPOSE.”  Michael’s document is essential to understanding the significance of our national space policy, both on the home front and internationally so don’t skip over it.  We used it extensively during our discussion as Michael used the exact policy language in his document to make his points.  During the first segment of our 2 hour 2 minute show, Michael explained the origins of this show given my challenge to him from a few weeks ago to tell us why national space policies are important given that many of us, myself included,  just view them as political rhetoric or something like that.  Michael did a fantastic job of connecting the dots from back in the beginning with President Eisenhower through to President Obama, showing us the evolution of commercial/private space and much more.  He also connected the dots on why our national space policy is significant on the global scene. Here, he used the definition of space as an example. After you listen to this program and read Michael’s paper, you will have a very clear understanding of the emergence of the commercial space industry as it is today, including government subsidies, plus many other parts of our space program, including the national security space program.  During this segment, we went through the presidents starting with Eisenhower to see how each new presidential national space policy helped to create the legal and policy structure of today’s space industry, public and private.  Michael explained policy from both the global view and the geo political view, again connecting the dots for us to what is happening in the space industry today.  He was very clear in showing how the birth & development of SpaceX for example,  was due in part because of our space policy and the laws congress enacted to support the goals of our national space policy which included private space and later on, even government subsidies.

In the second segment, we started taking more listener questions.  Carl asked who actually creates the Presidential National Space Policy.  Barbara asked if space property rights could be established through our space policy.  This prompted another excellent discussion by Michael on the subject.  June asked about our space policy enabling tourism and even visits or settlements on the Moon or Mars.  Another question came in regarding the US having no jurisdiction over private companies but Michael referred everyone to the Outer Space Treaty, Article 6 as this gives jurisdiction to the states (government).  Michael then had a few words to say about the significance of treaty law.  Michael was asked if the president could be lobbied regarding specifics of a national space policy.  Our guest received several emails thanking him for this program, saying it was extremely helpful and valuable.  Toward the end, he was asked about other countries having a national space policy.  Check out page 24 of his document as he has a chart showing the countries having or planning to create a space policy.  Near the end, a listener asked him if the space policy could be used to help establish a new business or industry.  Michael said yes, then provided us with an example relating to space debris.  Don’t miss this discussion! As the show was ending, Michael gave a shout out to the George C. Marshall Institute which is noted in the references in his paper as they have available all the space policy documents and more that Michael discussed plus those we did not have the time to address.  This is a superb resource and Michael was right on to give a shout out to this organization (http://marshall.org).

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 10-26-14 October 26, 2014

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Michael Listner, Sunday, 10-26-14

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Guest:  Michel Listner.  Topics:  Drones, air traffic control, NASA, SpaceX, patents, reusability, property, space law & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the show for a wide ranging discussion on space law issues.  During the first segment of our 95 minute show, Michael started by addressing the NASA program to develop an air traffic control system for drones.  We spent the first part of this segment talking about the system, what it might be like, the partners working with NASA on the plan, the role of the FAA, and related items.  Part of this discussion focused on the need for regulations as Michael said without some regulations there is chaos.  The trick is to balance the regulations to maintain safety and order but also to enable commercial growth.  In this segment, we talked about the Dream Chaser challenge to the decision by NASA re commercial crew with the awards going to Boeing and SpaceX.  To help us understand the appeals process, Michael cited the recent KC-X tanker deal which Boeing appealed and ultimately won the contract.  Michael then updated us with as much info as is known re the SpaceX-AF litigation over the bulk buy, then we talked about the patent dispute with Blue Origin and SpaceX regarding a reusable system meant to land on a barge.

In the second segment, the issues of space property rights & the Asteroids Act came up.  Michael had some interesting observations that he shared with us.  Let us know on the blog what you think about property rights & the Asteroids Act.  A listener asked Michael about the prevailing law should a criminal act be carried out on a spaceship.  Michael explained what would happen if such an event happened in space.  Our guest was asked if he thought the midterm election would make a difference in space policy,  Listeners & I then asked Michael what to look for regarding the balance of this year and into 2015 concerning space legal issues.  Note what Michael pointed out to us.  His concluding comments addressed the need for proper space law to facilitate commercial space growth & exploration.

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Wayne White, Tuesday, 10-21-14 October 22, 2014

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Wayne White, Tuesday, 10-21-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2341-BWB-2014-10-21.mp3

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Guest:  Wayne White.  Topics:  Space property rights and Wayne’s proposed Space Pioneering Act.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.   For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Wayne White back to the show to discuss space property rights, the proposed Asteroid Act, and his proposed Space Pioneering Act.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 25 minute discussion, Wayne opened up with the Asteroids Act which was a bipartisan proposal in Congress this past summer (www.spacepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AsteroidsActHR5063.pdf).  During this segment, Wayne explained why he believes this to be an important ACT and needed in order to have a more broad reaching space property rights law such as what he has been proposing with his Space Pioneering Act.  Listeners and I asked Wayne if he thought the Asteroids Act would pass &be sent to the White House for approval.  He said he thought it would be passed.  He continually pointed out both the bipartisan sponsors of the bill & the fact that it would not cost taxpayers any money.  Our guest fielded listener questions about the international impact & compliance of the Asteroids Act as it would be a U.S. law.  Wayne also explained the role of reciprocity with the Act.  Next, Wayne explained why the Act was necessary for the comprehensive solution to space property rights as proposed in his broad reaching Space Pioneering Act. (SPA).  The SPA is for now only a draft concept which he will start refining once he sees what happens to the Asteroids Act.  We talked about his plans to approach congress and staffers as well as entrepreneurial and commercial space companies, especially those that have an interest in establishing space property rights.  Wayne was asked about dispute resolution for property rights, especially if it involved international parties.  Near the end of this segment, he referenced the Homestead Act, the Law of the Sea Treaty, civil laws versus common law, and the benefits derived from national law and the arbitration process.

In the second segment, Wayne started with a discussion about salvage law and why it was an important part of his SPA.  Here, he talked about the Law of Finds, space debris issues, and both contract salvage and emergency salvage.  Later he talked about the need to establish control zones are a commercial installation much in the way that there is a control zone around the ISS.  He cited examples of problems that helped to make his points.  As we neared the end of our discussion, Wayne introduced us to the need for mining law.  He talked about similarities with the Mining Act of 1872 as his SPA, which includes mining law, has a similar approach to the Mining Act.  Note his concluding comments & the case he makes for property rights, the Asteroids Act, and his Space Pioneering Act.

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Michael Listner, Monday, 8-25-14 August 26, 2014

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Michael Listner, Monday, 8-25-14

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/2303-BWB-2014-08-25.mp3

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Guest:  Michael Listner.  Topics:  Space law, ARM & property rights, SpaceX-AF litigation, RD-180 engine & more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program for this update regarding specific space law issues and theories.  In the first segment of the this 1 hour 48 minute program, Michael talked about the proposed Asteroid Bill in Congress and how to maybe get some limited property rights for asteroid mining by being able to move a small asteroid as in the NASA ARM project.  Michael theorized that if one moves an asteroid, its no longer in its natural orbit and then no longer defined as a celestial body.  We spent most of the first segment and a good part of the second segment discussing this theory and why it might work.  When asked if it would apply to lunar property rights or other space property rights, Michael was clear that it only applied to a small asteroid that could be moved.  He also said it would require an administration to endorse such a plan and that it would be difficult to establish as customary and it would certainly be an uphill effort.  BJohn and others sent in email comments about this.  As you will hear from BJohn’s emails which I read on air, not every thought positively about Michael’s idea.  Michael also talked about other forms of international agreements being much easier to obtain than treaties.  He also said the property rights policy battles would be fought diplomatically.

In the second segment, we talked about the SpaceX-US Air Force litigation and the AF Motion to Dismiss.  Next, we covered the RD-180 rocket motor issue and Michael noted that a new shipment of RD-180 motors had been received.  He also said there was new information suggesting Russia might want to expand the mission time for the ISS (http://www.parabolicarc.com/2014/08/25/russia-agree-iss-extension).  Property rights and moving an asteroid came back as a topic in this segment & Michael again talked about treaties which he said were top down in policy making while transparency, etc. was considered bottom up policy making.  We talked quite a bit about property rights being US one sided and he said that the Asteroid Bill actually enabled those outside the U.S. to put their projects under U.S. law for U.S protection.  We moved on to cubesats and oversight/regulation issues.  Near the end, Michael updated us on the Code of Conduct in which there should be another draft emerging in the near future.  As the program was drawing to a close, I asked Michael for remaining 2014 legal issues that might get a 2014 resolve.  We looked forward to early next year & our guest commented on issues involving Russia, China, and ESA.

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon – Evoloterra- Sunday, 7-20-14 July 21, 2014

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Rand Simberg, Bill Simon – Evoloterra- Sunday, 7-20-14

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Guests:  Rand Simberg, Bill Simon.  Topics:  Evoloterra Ceremony and our Moon landing July 20, 1969, current HSF issue.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon, co-authors of Evoloterra which commemorated when we first left planet Earth and landed on another planet.  To follow along with us with the ceremony, visit http://www.evoloterra.com.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 51 minute program, Rand and Bill explained the significance of the July 20, 1969 date and their Evoloterra ceremony.  Rand also said that our earlier Moon program was a dead end path and that we will not be going back to the Moon the way we did Apollo. This comment provided an overriding theme throughout the program as Rand explained why large unaffordable rockets were not the way to do things when we could do smaller rockets, use fuel depots, and make space more affordable.  Bill explained the July 20th significance saying it was the turning point when humans were no longer bound by Earth.  Rand and Bill read the Evoloterra introduction which is a passage from an Arthur C. Clarke novel.  Bill also pointed out the significance of going to the Moon in peace and that the U.S. made no effort to nationalize or conquer the Moon.  Rand and Bill then took us back to the affordable and scalable space program needs and said that our current program was neither affordable or scalable.  I asked them both for lessons learned and I bet you won’t be surprised by the answer I got.  Rand cited SpaceX many times during the program, especially as a model for affordable space and for having a vision.  In response to listener questions, Rand said cost was a nonsense issue.  Don’t miss why he said this multiple times during our program.  Near the end of the segment, our guests talked about the myth of Apollo, space leadership issues, and Rand’s frequent statement that nobody cares about space which he then demonstrates by the space policies now in play.

In Part 2, Rand talked about his USA Today article, “Apollo Program A Flameout At 40″ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/18/apollo-nasa-anniversary-moon-column/12734813).  Rand also mentioned Part 3 of the Brian Berger series on space in the Houston Chronicle (www.houstonchronicle.com/nasa/adrift/3).  During this segment, we talked more about the Evoloterra ceremony, how it was modeled on the Seder, & the importance of ritual in helping people remember historical and important events.  Later, space property rights came up for discussion, then our guests each gave us closing comments.  Rand’s summary was that there was a better way than the big rocket.  Bill Said Apollo 11 was a water shed event.

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NewSpace Conference, Tuesday, 6-17-14 June 18, 2014

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NewSpace Conference, Tuesday, 6-17-14

Featuring Sara Jennings and Aaron Oesterle

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Guests:  Sara Jennings, Aaron Oesterle.  Topics:  We discussed the upcoming NewSpace 2014 Conference.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed both Sara Jennings and Aaron Oesterle to the show to discuss the upcoming NewSpace 2014 conference to be held at the Doubletree in San Jose, CA from July 24-26, 2014 in the heart of Silicon Valley.  This was a one hour conference promotion program leading off with Sara, the conference chairman for this year, introducing us to the conference and the first day events.  Follow the discussion with us at their website, https://newspace.spacefrontier.org.  Sara started with the Thursday agenda with a focus on investors, the Lightening Round Pitches, the welcome reception and the keynote later in the day by Art Dula.  Also on Thursday, we talked about the Awards Ceremony and near the end of the program, Sara and Aaron announced the winners of this year’s awards.  We had telephone glitches early in the program, first dropping the call with Sara, then with Aaron.  Also, both guests used cell phones which created a few audio issues early on with Aaron.  Aaron talked about the Friday program leading off with comments about the Do It Yourself (DIY) space movement which is growing rapidly.  Next up we discussed property rights and the planned focus of the panel plus the panel members.  On Friday, Andy Aldrin is the lunch speaker and our guests talked about Andy wanting to go to the Moon as did his Dad, Buzz.  Andy is now president of the Moon Express.   team.  Also on Friday, our guests highlighted the lunar panel along with the paradigm shift panel.  Saturday, the last day of the conference, our focus was on Donna Edwards as the lunch speaker, then the Gala Event.  Our guests pointed out that registration on Thursday and later will be at an increased price so if you are planning to attend, do the online registration prior to the conference first day.  We also talked about the Doubletree and the fact that is filling up so act quickly to get the conference rate.  Throughout our discussion, we focused on the great networking available throughout the three day event.  Doug even sent in an email to support the conference for its excellent networking.  In addition, listeners wanted to know if HSF and risk averseness was part of the program and Tony wanted to know about SSP being part of the program.  The conference will be live streamed.  Check back on the website for details. If you attend NewSpace, please track me down and say hello.

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 12-3-13 December 4, 2013

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 12-3-13

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Guest:  Robert (Bob) Zimmerman.  Topics:  launch competition, commercial space, China, gov. space programs, budget issues.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Bob Zimmerman for his Tenth Anniversary Space Show program!  During the first segment of this two hour two minute program, Bob addressed many issues and listener concerns starting with the SpaceX Falcon 9 GEO launch success & the looking back to his first Space Show program on Dec. 3, 2003.  He compared and contrasted his comments then to those today. He also blogged about this on his Behindtheblack.com blog at http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/exciting-times-in-space.  Listeners expressed their concern about the Chinese space program, their recent lunar landing mission and the day when they can put a human on the Moon.  Listeners wanted to know if this would spark a new space race between China and the U.S.  Bob said no and I agreed with him for slightly different reasons.  However, one of Bob’s consistent and recurring themes (and tonight’s discussion was no different) is that he opposes large government space programs as he says they don’t work.  He provided much evidence for this during our discussion.  During this segment we also talked extensively about launch competition and the benefits from competition in the marketplace.  Listener Al asked about DOD space and if DOD might see the Chinese space program differently.  Bob also mentioned space property rights and he said the existing situation should change based on U.S. law as the model for commercial space to flourish.  There was more talk about the Chinese program which Bob was not too concerned about.  Listen for his reasoning.  John in Ft. Worth called in to also talk about the Chinese program and suggested at some point their success might just humiliate the U.S. into competitive action.  Neither Bob or I thought it was likely that anything would humiliate congress today.  John and Bob then had an interesting discussion on this subject.

In Part 2 of our program, Dr. Lurio called in to talk about being thrilled to the bone by the SpaceX launch and to comment on NewSpace & commercial space issues. Like Bob, he opposes SLS as a big waste.  Bob and Charles then talked about their distaste for large gov. programs such as what JFK created, again saying they don’t work.  Both wondered what space and other things would look like today had JFK not been assassinated.  Dream Chaser was mentioned, again as everyone’s favorite spacecraft.  Al emailed in again to point out the differences in the space perspective of seniors and young people.  Tim called in to mention the Code of Conduct issue with possible international launch standards and how this might hurt the developing US commercial launch business.  I mentioned a Business Week article saying the suborbitals are going to look to R&D flights for repeat customers which they definitely need. Here is the article: www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-11-27/spaceflight-companies-virgin-galactic-xcor-blue-origin-eye-r-and-d-clients.  Toward the end of the program there was more talk about SLS, NASA budget issues, the need to cancel SLS per Bob’s perspective, and economic risks posed to NASA’s planetary science program.  Bob closed out the program with his comments on Inspiration Mars and Mars One, plus a Von Braun comment from 1954 in which it was reported that he said it would take 100 years of research in space to travel to Mars.  Bob said its been 60 years so far and we do not have the capability to do a human flight to Mars today.  Lurio mailed in the last comment about the NASA press conference earlier in the day with his and Bob’s reading that the planetary program was all but dead financially.  The final comments dealt with SLS and the Redirect Mission which Bob completely discounted.

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Jon Goff, Friday, 3-15-13 March 16, 2013

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Jon Goff, Friday, 3-15-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1974-BWB-2013-03-15.mp3

Guest:  Jon Goff.   Topics:  The Lunar Patent concept and Altius Space Machines company updates.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Jon Goff, President and CEO of Altius Space Machines, back to The Space Show for this 60 minute discussion focusing both on the idea of a lunar patent and Altius company projects and updates. I suggest you read and follow along with these websites and blogs:  http://selenianboondocks.com; http://altius-space.com, and Jon’s blog article about the lunar patent concept http://selenianboondocks.com/2013/01/random-thoughts-columbus-article-link-and-lunar-patents.  For the first part of our hour long discussion with Jon, we focused on the lunar patent idea.  Jon got the idea to write about it on his blog from Mike Mealling’s own blog post on his RocketForge blog, “Lessons in exploration from Columbus and the Spanish Crown” at http://rocketforge.org/2013/01/10/lessons-in-exploration-from-columbus-and-the-spanish-crown.html.  Jon spent time with us going over the history of how and why the Spanish crown put forth the Columbus expedition which he said was all about getting patents along the trade routes.  Jon applied this concept to lunar development explaining how it might work.  He also suggested this might be an end run around the absence of property rights and the terms of the U.N. space treaties.  Listeners asked questions about how a patent might work, would it need to be issued by an international entity to be enforceable, and how could it be enforced.  This brought up the question of benefit sharing and terms & concepts such as those found in the Moon Treaty.  Jon said he was interested in feedback, especially from the space legal community so please share your thoughts on The Space Show blog.  During the balance of our time with Jon, he told us about his company plans, new ideas, SBIRs, and SAA agreements to develop a new breed of robotic arms.  We talked about tools for satellite service and possible ISS free flyers.  Jon told us about their project with Nanoracks, DARPA, and JPL.  He also described MINION which is a project with NASA LArc for an extendable/retractable arm that could operate inside the ISS. You can read about this project on Jon’s Selenian Boondocks blog.  A listener asked him about using Kickstarter for funding new projects and another listener was interested in hearing more about Jon’s plans for Altius in the future.

If you have comments/questions for Jon Goff, please post them on The Space Show blog.  You can reach Jon through the Altius website, his blog, or through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

Dr. Henry Hertzfeld, Tuesday, 3-5-13 March 6, 2013

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Dr. Henry Hertzfeld, Tuesday, 3-5-13

http://archived.thespaceshow.com/shows/1964-BWB-2013-03-05.mp3

Guest:  Dr. Henry Hertzfeld.  Topics:  Commercial space, Mars, human spaceflight, regulations & economics.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Dr. Henry Hertzfeld back to the show for a fascinating 90 minute discussion regarding commercial space, human spaceflight (HSF), recently announced HSF Mars missions, increasing the launch rate, and more.  During our initial segment, Dr. Hertzfeld addressed my question about lowering launch prices to increase the launch rate.  Dr. Hertzfeld did a classic economic study on this subject several years ago and I asked him if today’s current market and commercial space progress had altered his earlier conclusions.  He said no. Later, I asked if space solar power (SSP) could drive launch rates down.  The short answer was no but don’t miss what he had to say about SSP economics, launches, and debris issues.  Jerry emailed in a question about SpaceX being a commercial company given its receipt of government money.  Henry had much to say about what makes a company commercial or not and if it is even an important issue.  Another listener wanted to know about the deep space commercial ventures announced in 2012 and in 2013.  The listener wanted to know if these were really commercial ventures, if regulations could stop them, and what would happen re the ventures needing property rights or the equivalent.  One of the things our guest reiterated several times during our discussion was the need for stability and predictability for the commercial industry.  Questions came in about benefit sharing and he mentioned the likelihood that some sort of international system would develop on these issues. I asked what constituted an acceptable ROI and the example of controlled ROIs as in the utility industry came up.  Doug wanted to know about rocket reusability and its impact on launch costs.  We also talked about both Mars One and the new Inspiration Mars mission.  As part of this discussion, astronaut rescue and the rescue treaty were discussed.  In the second segment, Doug called to discuss property rights for a NEO as opposed to the Moon, wondering if the Moon might be more valuable.  Doug & Henry talked about our having returned lunar rockets as a model for commercially returning lunar products but Henry suggested there might be a difference in returning something for science as compared to commercial exploitation.  Later, we addressed human spaceflight and its challenges.  The Chinese space program was brought up as was the risk of a space war.  Dr. Hertzfeld was asked about putting 10,000 people on Mars, space migration, species survival, space settlement, and the need to explore as possible drivers for HSF.  My final question pertained to our evolving to a business friendly environment in space.  Simply put, we are not there yet.

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog above.  You can email Dr. Hertzfeld through me at drspace@thespaceshow.com.

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