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Gerald Driggers, Monday, 9-21-15 September 22, 2015

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Gerald Driggers, Monday, 9-21-15

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Guest: Gerald Driggers. Topics: Artificial gravity & his Space Review Article “Reduced Gravity: The 400-kilogram gorilla in the room.” Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

 

We welcomed back Gerald Driggers to discuss his August 10, 2015 Space Review article, “Reduced Gravity: The 400-kilogram gorilla in the room.” You can read & download this article at www.thespacereview.com/article/2802/1. During the first segment of our 1 hour 42 minute discussion, Gerald talked about the old concept to put a centrifuge on the ISS but of course that never happened. Much of the first segment our guest and listeners lamented the lack of attention to mitigating problems caused by microgravity by developing some form of artificial gravity as the standard mitigation tool. Gerald referenced several studies in support of the need for artificial gravity, including one only a year or so old. Listeners asked him about minimizing travel time to a destination, say Mars, as a way of mitigating microgravity issues. We talked about that but Gerald pointed out that at the destination you would still be in a less than 1 G earth gravity environment so what then? I asked Gerald if being stuck in LEO for decades might have contributed to the lack of NASA progress in this area. Kelly sent in an email asking several things, including a question about spin rates. Kelly also wanted to know why artificial gravity had been ignored for so long, suggesting the possibility that advocacy groups disregard it. I did not support Kelly’s contention as I have done many Space Show programs with advocates pushing for artificial gravity and even coming up with their own plans on how to achieve it. Gerald was asked about tethers. His response triggered a lengthy email from Joe Carroll on the subject which I will post for Joe on the blog for this program, then Joe called the show in the second segment. Gerald was asked about artificial gravity work going on in other countries & with other government space agencies. He also talked about the need to really just test for Mars and lunar gravity given the relationship of these numbers throughout our solar system to other planets and moons.

 

In the second segment, Gerald talked about his science fiction book series, “Earth Mars Chronicles” plus the long scale settlement of Mars. At this point Joe Carroll called to talk about his email, tethers, and the artificial gravity issue. Don’t miss the fine discussion with Joe and Gerald they brought up many facts about the situation, the 2010 National Space Policy and more. Joe referenced the Fresno Underground Gardens as a possible example of underground living which he said would be necessary due to radiation. There would be no on the surface living. He also talked about the need for a colony to expand internally and the challenges in setting up an ecosystem on another planetary body. Joe introduced us to other issues such as the need for a gut bacteria study on the ISS and the differences between genders in reduced gravity though that information is not gathered. Given that Gerald described himself as a Mars guy, not a Moon guy, I told him about the New York Times Op-Ed that appeared today, “Let’s Not Move to Mars” by Ed Regis. You can read the article at www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/opinion/lets-not-move-to-mars.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0. If you do read it and I hope you do, make sure to read the comments as well. Dr. Doug was the next caller. Doug and Gerald also had an interesting discussion as Doug suggested there was no need to do artificial gravity experiments in LEO, instead go directly to the Moon and do them there. This of course presumes we are going to the Moon. I talked with Doug about this as I think returning to the Moon, as much as I would like to see it happen, is still an unsupported assumption, especially if we are looking for the government to do it. This opened up a discussion about the private sector with Gerald saying he thought progress was more likely coming from the private sector than NASA regarding the issues talked about today. I pointed out that if we had private Bigelow space stations and somewhat affordable launch, then we might see this type of research undertaken if it was in the interest of a company to do so. Doug and Gerald continued their discussion which you don’t want to miss. As the show was ending, Gerald told us about his new e-book coming out on Kindle for just 99 cents on October 1, “Martian Sniper.” From what he said about it, it sounds like a winner so be sure to download and read it.

 

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Open Lines, Sunday, 7-27-14 July 28, 2014

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Open Lines, Sunday, 7-27-14

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Guest:  Open Lines.  Topics:  Orbital dynamics app for iPhone, iPad, NewSpace Conference, art. gravity and more.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

Welcome to our Open Lines program.  The first segment of our 131 minute program opened with a technical glitch so you will hear some announcement repeats, etc.  We had a damaged wire connection that I did not pick up on until I got several email complaints.  I did start the program over again but you can tell we had a glitch listening to the opening of this program.  Prior to taking calls, I put out some suggested talking points including the recent Chinese ASAT test, the NewSpace 2014 conference, the Asteroids Act 2014, and the recently dismissed ULA petition to the SpaceX-Air Force litigation.  I also went over the upcoming Space Show schedule.  Our first caller was Doug from Australia who wanted to talk about his app for the iPhone and iPad, Leo-Low Earth Orbit.  Search for that title in the App store. You can find out more about his app, orbital dynamics and the uses for this app at http://leo-lowearthorbit.com.  For those of you wanting to try out the app but using a different platform for your smartphone, email Doug for assistance.  You can reach him through his website plus he gave out his email address on air.  Marshall called in to talk about the need to take on more risks for human spaceflight. He also talked about the RD-180 rocket motor.  John from Ft. Worth called in to give us his theory of ducking jury duty since I mentioned I had jury duty the end of the week and had to cancel the Friday show because of it.  When he got around to space, he wanted to know if the Aquarius paper had been uploaded to the SEI website per a recent Space Show discussion.  You can find the paper at http://www.spaceenterpriseinstitute.org/downloads.  As the segment ended, we started talking about artificial gravity and asking about the gravity RX needed for HSF plus other related issues.

In the second segment, I read an email from B John in Sweden who believes he has the answers to the human factors challenges and criticizes both space doctors and me for not recognizing his solutions and what he has said on a past show regarding known 17th century solutions for the human factors challenges.  I read his email in full, then promised him a guest appearance on The Space Show providing he bring credentials, facts, science, medicine, numbers, etc. to his discussion.  I said he could not do a Space Show program on this topic with only his hunch, his ideas, unfounded theories, ideology, & religion. He needs to come to the debate with facts.  You can hear more on this subject by listening to my reading of his emails on the July 22  program with Dr. Mark Shelhamer.  If he can support his theories, you will see his show listed on the website newsletter for coming attractions and in the weekly newsletter for the time and date of his interview.  Atty Michael Listner called in to talk about the Asteroids Bill 2014 in Congress which we discussed in detail.  Google Asteroids Bill 2014 and you can easily find it. It’s a very short read, about five pages.  We also talked about the SpaceX-Air Force litigation and the court dismissing the ULA petition though mandating negotiation talks between SpaceX and ULA.  Rick called in to talk about having won the Lightening Round at NewSpace.  The company, CubeCab (www.cubecab.com), intends to place specific cubesats in LEO one at a time. He talked about using air launch so check them out at their website.  Rick also told us that we could see the Newspace 2014 videos by going to http://www.youtube.com and searching for NewSpace 2014.  There you will see most of the talks and panel discussions from the conference.  You can email any of the guests for today’s show through me.

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Dr. Mark Shelhamer, Tuesday, 7-22-14 July 23, 2014

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Dr. Mark Shelhamer, Tuesday, 7-22-14

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Guest:  Dr. Mark Shelhamer.  Topics:  A look at the risks associated with long duration human spaceflight.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.  For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Dr. Mark Shelhamer, Chief Scientist of the NASA Human Research Program to the show to discuss the critical risks associated with BLEO long duration HSP. You can hear his FISO talk on this topic from April 2, 2014 at http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon/Shelhamer_4-2-14/Shelhamer.mp3.  His associated Power Point can be downloaded at http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon/Shelhamer_4-2-14/Shelhamer_4-2-14.ppt.  During the first segment of our 95 minute discussion, Dr. Shelhamer started off saying  we would be talking about beyond low earth orbit only and that many of the risks are unknown since we have very little experience with BLEO.  Much of what we do know is extrapolated from our current knowledge base plus our Apollo experience.  Next, our guest defined three major areas/issues.  First he listed medical issues which he later described as onsite medical treatments for various complications, illnesses, surgical needs and such.  He classified physical deconditioning issues such as muscle and bone loss issues, cardio vascular issues in a different category.  The second group he identified had to do with radiation, and the third group included psychological-social issues.  I asked about Microgravity not being in the top three and he said because those issues are likely a constant for both LEO and BLEO missions.  He then talked at length about the challenges needing countermeasures/mitigation.  He did not say these were showstopper challenges but they do require effective countermeasures.  For example, he said humans could probably survive a trip to Mars today providing the hardware & life support was up to the job but their goal is to get the crew there in good condition, to be able to do effective work, and to return safely.  He did not think those goals could be obtained today.  I asked if money was a primary issue and it was not though he said more money is always helpful. He talked about the time needed for some human studies, team studies, and research, sometimes extending even longer than a year.  He then took us through the three categories to tell us what NASA was doing & how it was doing in that research area. You might be surprised by what you hear.  I certainly was.  Later, we talked about ocular/vision issues which are now getting front page attention.  He explained the latest theory causing the problem as possible fluid shifts.  Listen to this discussion.  Note that once we start with BLEO HSF, we may find other problems that do not now show up now.  Also, we may develop a countermeasure for one problem but that opens the door to lots of other problems currently unknown.  One tool he talked about that was being tested on the ISS Russian sector was lower body negative pressure.  Artificial gravity was a big part of our discussion.  While everyone is enthusiastic about it, he made the point of saying we don’t know the needed spin rate nor do we know what level of gravity is needed for humans or for how long. Just spinning a spacecraft without knowing this information is unlikely to be successful let alone cost effective or economic. He also pointed out that artificial gravity is costly, requires lots of energy, a huge spacecraft which means lots of mass to orbit, & to do it, it needs to be done in a way that maximizes the benefits for the crew.  Without knowing the precise spin rate and gravity needs for humans plus how long the crew needs to be in artificial gravity, it is likely it won’t be done just for cost and economic reasons alone.  Charles emailed in about bed rest analog studies.  Joe sent in a question about lower back pain & spine issues.  As the segment ended, I asked him if humans were lousy candidates for BLEO spaceflight.  Don’t miss his answer.

In the second segment, we took a call from Dave about nuclear submarines as an analog for HSF studies.  Our next topic was space radiation which our guest discussed in detail.  I then took two email questions from B John in Sweden.  He asked about the benefits of microgravity for disabled folks, then I read a longer email from him suggesting solutions for the microgravity, psychology, and radiation issues already existed and why was NASA not proposing and developing “these simple non-medical solutions to the problems you describe.”  Dr. Shelhamer responded to his email item by item. For the most part, he agreed with what B John was saying except that his information and perspective were limited and missing key components of the scenarios he was talking about.  Mark explained why our listener’s comments were way too simple and cited some scenarios to illustrate this.  It was a fascinating reply to what many of us believe are already effective countermeasures.  Unfortunately, while what many of us suggest is correct, what we suggest does not go far enough and does not contain the specifics and details of what is actually required to make a specific countermeasure work.  Otherwise, the countermeasures are far more complex than what B John asked about in his email which you will hear me read on the program.  I asked Mark about genetic modification and that took us to the subject of personalized countermeasures.  We talked about pioneering/space settlement, childbirth & children in the space environment, even gender differences for BELO HSF.  I asked about the differences from his perspective of doing HSF to the Moon, an asteroid, Mars, or Deimos.  There are differences, don’t miss his response.  As the program was ending, I asked if a commercial company without gov. funding could decide to do a BLEO mission without all the costs and safety concerns of NASA.  Mark said it might be possible though the costs of the missions and the technology needed would make it very hard for a commercial company to carry out.  He said a short cut bare bones mission might be achieved by a commercial company but the risks for the crew would be extreme.  If you were running a commercial company and funding such a mission, would you accept these risks, plus the risk the crew might not be able to do much or be effective once they got to their destination? As the commercial company CEO, would that be a good use of company money or would you dismiss what people like our guest today have to say about these issues.  Let me know your thoughts by posting them on the blog.

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Golden Oldie Replay, Classroom Art. Gravity Show, 2-14-14 February 14, 2014

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Golden Oldie Replay, Classroom Art. Gravity Show, 2-14-14

Featuring Drs. Jurist & Logan, Joe Carroll from May 3, 2011

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Guests:  Classroom:  Dr. David Livingston, Joe Carroll, Dr. John Jurist, Dr. Jim Logan.  Topics:  Manned artificial gravity research station in LEO.  Please note that this program originally aired as a Space Show Classroom program May 3, 2011.  This replay is being brought to you today as a result of the interest expressed in the subject during the Open Lines program of Feb. 2, 2014.  As this is a Golden Oldie replay, there is no live participation with this program.  If you have questions or comments for the co-hosts or Mr. Carroll, post them on The Space Show blog for this entry.  In addition, when the original Classroom program first aired, Mr. Carroll provided presentation material. You can see this material by going to http://spaceshowclassroom.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/lesson-three-presentation-material-5-3-11 and clicking on the two items available for review and download.  Also, the summary below is the unedited summary from the May 3, 2011 Classroom program which is posted both on The Space Show website archives for that date as well as on The Space Show Classroom archives for that date (http://spaceshowclassroom.wordpress.com).

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This two hour plus Classroom program was continuous without a break.  For this program, refer to the Power Point presentation by Joe, “Design Concepts for a Manned Artificial Gravity Research Facility.”  Mr. Carroll took us through this presentation slide by slide, plus he responded to listener and co-host questions throughout the program.  You can find this presentation plus his longer IAC Conference paper on The Space Show Classroom blog under Presentation Materials for our Classroom program for May 3, 2011.  Rather than writing a summary of this program, let me say that Mr. Carroll has given considerable thought to the engineering and human factors/human physiology issues regarding an artificial gravity research station in LEO.  Listener questions addressed technical issues relating to spin, center of mass/gravity, hits by orbital debris items and more.  Throughout this Classroom discussion, Joe took us into the technology, operations, and why’s regarding his artificial gravity research station.  Many issues were discussed including but not limited to Mars & lunar gravity, .06 G, spin rates, the Coriolis effect, the Gemini experiments, a Moon/Mars Dumbbell Concept, Airbeam tunnels, radial structure lengths, and much more.  Toward the end of the program, we discussed the economics, costs, and who might pay for and deploy such a station.  You will hear Joe talk about the present economic, cost, and R&D uncertainties for such a project, but you will also hear him talk about the commercial potentials, who should be given “free” access to the research station and why, the use of it with Space X as well as Bigelow, and why not doing it as a NASA project makes sense though he advocated NASA as a customer.  At the very end, I asked Joe about building some small models to help those of us who are not engineers in understanding and even visualizing his concept.  He liked that idea, talked about larger models of the size of a Boeing 737 cabin (he used this cabin size throughout his discussion and presentation), and possibly locating it at a company such as Space X.  As we concluded our discussion, all of us said that after 50 years of human spaceflight, to not be able to answer any of the questions regarding the issues discussed in this program was criminal. Furthermore, as you will hear Dr. Logan and the others say, you can determine the credibility of a human space program by the speed and determination of the commitment to understanding the necessary gravity needs for people, plants, and animals in space.  If there is no commitment to understanding these issues, the program is more likely a rhetoric only program.

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