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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 9-17-13 September 18, 2013

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Robert (Bob) Zimmerman, Tuesday, 9-17-13

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Guest:  Robert (Bob) Zimmerman.  Topics: This was a wide ranging discussion starting with climate change & ending with budget, CR, & commercial crew issues.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed Bob Zimmerman back to the show for this one hour 55 minute discussion starting with the announcement regarding climate change and the upcoming IPCC report which has been leaked to the press.  The primary topic for this first segment was climate change, the leaked IPCC report and an analysis of it.  Bob fielded listener comments and questions including Marshall’s who had hands on experience with the very first computer climate model in the early 70’s.  Bob summarized all his comments saying that science needed to be skeptical and he was optimistic that skepticism was coming back to the field of climate science.  We then switched to space and NASA for the balance of this program.  As a transition, Bob talked about solar activity and the solar max.  In response to a listener question, he commented that if Mars or anyplace in space were developed using the Antarctica model, it would doom commercial space activity.  He stated over and over again that the model needed was the profit model for space and planetary development.

In the second segment, we talked about new commercial contracts for Arianne 5 recently announced, and how important these were to Arianne who needs to show a profit for the first time.  I asked Bob about NASA’s Redirect Asteroid Mission given all the attention it got last week at AIAA Space 2013.  Bob had much to say about this mission, most of it not supportive or positive, and then I mentioned the NASA press conference which is archived as part of the Space 2013 taped interviews and the fact that it is to be SLS dependent. This started Bob and others on SLS rants, mostly not supportive of it, and also Orion.  Bob was emphatic that Orion with SLS would not be a deep space mission & at one point he cited comments by Russian that their next generation Soyuz would have bathroom facilities on board and Bob said with Orion, it was strictly diapers for the crew.  We talked about Inspiration Mars and Mars One.  Bob was skeptical about both happening. Listen to the reasons he cited for his perspective.  Bob also talked about Bigelow Aerospace and its potential, listeners asked about Planetary Resources and the Redirect Mission, then we talked about the need to lower the launch costs to LEO.  Bob brought us current with SpaceShip2 & the latest powered demo flight, then John called in to argue about SLS with Bob.  This was an interesting give and take.  As Bob has done on other programs, he continued saying he does not want a space program which is a government program which in his eyes is doomed to failure.  He wants the private sector to prevail.  As the show was ending, I asked Bob for this thoughts on the budget, CR, and future commercial crew funding .

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  Check out Bob’s website, www.beyondtheblack.com.  You can email bob through is website or using zimmerman at nasw dot org

Robert (Rob) Godwin, Sunday, 8-11-13 August 12, 2013

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Robert (Rob) Godwin, Sunday, 8-11-13

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Guest:  Robert (Rob) Godwin.  Topics: Sir Arthur Clarke, science fiction, & “Arthur C. Clarke: A Life Remembered.”  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm

We welcomed back Rob Godwin to discuss the new Apogee Prime book, “Arthur C. Clarke: A Life Remembered” written by Arthur’s brother Fred Clarke plus Rob Godwin and others.  More information about the book and ordering details can be found at http://www.apogeeprime.com/prime/bookpages/9781926837260.html.  During the first segment of the hour 1 hour 47 minute discussion, Rob talked about Arthur’s brother Fred Clarke, the book, the co-authors, and the contributions to the book by noted people in the space industry that knew Arthur Clarke.  Other space Apogee Prime books were mentioned along with their authors, including the book by Anatoly Zak, “Russia In Space.”  Mr. Zak will be a guest on The Space Show regarding his book on Sept. 3.  Rob talked about the British Interplanetary Society (BIS) and noted that sales of the Clarke book help support the BIS.  We talked about early Clarke history plus his science and science fiction. We also spent lots of time talking about the science fiction genre and the contributions by many of the early sci-fi writers.  For sure you will want to listen with pen in hand to jot down authors and books discussed & recommended.  As the first segment ended, pay attention to the Clarke-Asimov treaty discussion! 

In the second segment, we talked more about science fiction and noted authors such as Hugo Gernsback & Olaf Stapledon.   Rob was asked about Sir Arthur and Von Braun of which our guest had much to say.  Listeners via the phone and email talked about hard science fiction, fantasy sci-fi, differences with sci-fi today from years ago and much more.  George Lucas and Star Wars came up as did Arthur’s love of scuba diving and the path he followed that led him to Sri Lanka.  Toward the end, in discussing the evangelism of many of the early sci-fi authors and space enthusiasts such as Clarke, a listener asked for a comparison of then with today’s space cadet “evangelists.”  A listener also brought up Clarke’s view re spiritualism, religion, God, etc. 

Please post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog.  Rob Godwin can reached through the Apogee website.

Sara Howard, Sunday, 8-4-13 August 5, 2013

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Sara Howard, Sunday, 8-4-13

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Guest:  Sara Howard.  Topics:  Sara’s new book, “Mischief at Michoud” and her work at Michoud during the Apollo era.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm.

We welcomed back Sara Howard to the program to tell us about her newest book, “Mischief at Michoud” which is available through Amazon.com.  For those of you buying Sara’s book, please use the simple Amazon directions on The Space Show website/blog or the OGLF Amazon portal, www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm so that Amazon will make a contribution to The Space Show.  During the first segment of our 1 hour 31 minute program, Sara talked about her time at NASA Michoud in Louisiana from 1965-67 as one of only two women who worked on the first stage, the SI-C stage, of the Saturn V rocket.  Sara described the work environment, the NASA Michoud facility, and the type of work she and others did at the time.  During the segment, retired NASA Apollo era worker John called in and our guest and the caller talked with each other about their respective projects and the work they did to help us get to the Moon.  It was most interesting listening to the stories and experiences of those that helped make going to the Moon a reality for the U.S.

In the second segment, we spent more time with our guest talking about specific chapters in her book. Sara has a great sense of humor and many of the chapters not only have funny and tantalizing titles, but she tells a great story to go along with them.  Some of her stories about not trusting computers and favoring slide rules were not only entertaining but informative.  We talked about how Sara’s friend and Sara were treated as women in a largely male dominated workforce. You might be surprised by what our guest had to say about this along with some of the jokes played on her at the time.  One of her book chapters, “My Terror,” caught my attention and we learned that there were self-destruct explosive charges in each Saturn V fuel tank and that was their fear that they would have to destroy a vehicle.  Sara was asked about the chapter addressing faking the Moon landings. She had much to say about this that you will want to hear.  Star Trek also comes into the workplace and you will want to hear this story as well.  Toward the end, John called back and Sara & John talked about the average age and education of those working on Apollo and attempts were made to compare back then to today.  Sara can be found on Facebook which is where she has all her information and more. Just search for “Sara Howard.”

Post your comments/questions on The Space Show blog. If you want to email Sara, you can do so through me.

Marc Fusco, Sunday, 4-28-13 April 28, 2013

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Marc Fusco, Sunday, 4-28-13

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Guest:  Marc Fusco.  Topics:  Space history and presidential politics with JFK, Presidents Johnson & Nixon.  Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information.

We welcomed Marc Fusco to the program to discuss his masters thesis analysis of space history and presidential politics with JFK and Presidents Johnson and Nixon.  His analysis for his masters thesis earned him his MS degree at UND Space Studies.  In the name of full disclosure, Marc was one of my students and I served on his thesis advisory committee.  You can email Marc to get a .pdf of his thesis, “Presidents, Politics, And Policy: How The Apollo And Shuttle Decisions Shaped NASA.”  Please use stentor@mindspring.com.  During the first part of our 1 hour 50 minute discussion, Marc talked about the early years of our space program, President Kennedy, the Cold War, NASA Administrator James Webb, risk taking, the failed Bay of Pigs invasion, and the Soviet’s space program.  We moved around a bit in history, also talking about LBJ and President Nixon, but the first half of our discussion centered on President Kennedy and the Moon program, as well as the early days of NASA.  Listeners asked Marc about different historical perspectives about Apollo and he talked about the period, letting us know the perspectives from the best known of the space and policy historians.  Marc also started comparing the policy and the appreciation of space by JFK, Johnson, and Nixon. We also talked about the early days of the Space Shuttle program and OMB compromises in its design, plus the early expectation of up to 50 flights per year.

In our second segment, we talked about the waning public support for the Moon program, JFK and Nixon dynamics, and the fact that nobody wanted to be the one to pull the plug on the Moon program or human spaceflight though the costs were hard to absorb as there was competitive economic pressure from other priorities in the nation and government.  Marc spoke about the impact of both Vietnam and The Great Society on the space program in this segment.  Marc had much to say about Nixon’s main advisors and space as well as the NASA Administrators of the time.  He talked about the famous Earthrise photo taken on Apollo 8 and the start of the ecology movement which became the environmental movement. This picture also helped frame the new way of selling the space program which was to go to space to make a difference and improve things here on Earth.  The Space Shuttle program was a significant part of our second segment. Mr. Fusco led a very interesting discussion on The Space Show today.  His thesis is excellent and I suggest you contact him for a .pdf copy of it.

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William (Bill) Mellberg, Tuesday, 1-31-12 February 1, 2012

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William (Bill) Mellberg, Tuesday, 1-31-12

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Guest:  William (Bill) Mellberg.  Topics:  Comparing aviation to commercial space regarding markets, safety, and more. Explorer 1 54th anniversary.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  We welcomed Bill Mellberg to the program to compare the early days of aviation with today’s commercial space industry. We also honored the 54th anniversary of Explorer 1.  Mr. Mellberg started the discussion with Explorer 1 by talking about the early history of Vanguard, Explorer 1, Werner Von Braun, Ernst Stuhlinger & more. Richard Easton called & we talked about timing, GPS, clock synchronization, his Dad’s work, and Vanguard early history.  Turning to our main topic, comparing the early days of aviation history to the commercial space industry today, our guest said it was a flawed comparison.  During the first segment, he explains in detail his reasoning which has to do with commercial markets, what the government is paying for regarding commercial space as compared to what it paid for with aviation, specifically the Kelly Air Mail Act of 1925.  We also talked about the early history of Fokker Aircraft Company which he tied into our discussion on markets, market timing, and production capabilities.  Mr. Mellberg addressed human spaceflight safety from the point of view that it would be extremely hard for the commercial companies to master safety given the complexities & costs of human spaceflight & the potential damage or even ruination of the company should there be a fatal accident.  Before the segment ended, our guest drove home the lack of commercial markets for human spaceflight.  There must be HSF markets other than the government market for the ISS.  

In our second segment, our guest cited some airplane examples that were ahead of the market and suffered from bad market timing.  He then used the SST as an example of the points he was making about high operating costs, no or limited markets, government subsidies, etc.  He went over the economics of why the Boeing SST was killed by our congress and what happens when the ticket price is so high that a broad market cannot be realized.  Listeners and callers asked about government regulation crippling innovation.  Bill then suggested the path to commercialization was with a program such a what Dr. Spudis and Dr. Lavoie have proposed in their paper “Using the resources of the Moon to create a permanent, cislunar space faring system” as well as on The Space Show. You can read their paper at www.spudislunarresources.com/Bibliography/p/102.pdf.  Bill said that eventually as cislunar economic develop evolves, so would commercial markets and opportunities.  He also recommended the NASA reorganization plan proposed last year by Dr. Harrison Schmitt. You can read his plan at www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=37176.  Our guest suggested that we should use the money being invested in commercial human spaceflight to do space exploration projects because commercial space today is an unnecessary diversion of scarce resources in a tight economy.  Throughout our discussion, he talked about government contracting and why it is different today, not commercial, and unlike what was done in early aviation and with airmail.  At the end of the program, our guest treated us to some of his political humor and impersonations per his program, “An Evening With The Presidents.”

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Sara Howard, Friday, 12-30-11 December 30, 2011

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Sara Howard, Friday, 12-30-11

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Guest:  Sara Howard.  Topics: Sara’s experiences being one of two women who worked on the Saturn V rocket.  You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com.  Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright.  The Space Show/OGLF is now engaged in its annual fundraising drive. Please see & act upon our appeal at https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/space-show-2011-fundraising-campaign. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EACH AND EVERYONE ONE OF YOU!  We welcomed Sara Howard to the program, author of “Something Funny Happened on the Way to the Moon” which is her personal story about her experiences being one of only two women engineers who worked on the Saturn V rocket.  Later on Sara worked on the Trident submarine but most of our discussion today focused on her Saturn V experiences.  Sara was motivated by JFK’s Rice University speech, she was a math major at LSU, and got the chance to work at Michoud, Louisiana as a Boeing contractor on the team that worked on the Saturn 1-C.  Sara tells us about her team, the security for those working on the Saturn V and Apollo programs, and the need to get everything right and be 100% safe.  She talked about her team completing the first stage of the Saturn and the static firing tests of the 1-C in Mississippi.  Her stories about the security the workers went through to enter the workplace did not seem that unusual given we were in the midst of the Cold War and our experiences with air travel today.  But back then, as you will hear, this was all new to those working on the rocket.  She also told us some interesting stories about what the workers did when the program was cancelled.  Static tests, the love of their work, and their mission clearly drove these teams.  When we started the second segment of our program, Sara responded to questions about the F1 engine tests and she relayed to us what it was like firing all five of the engines for the static test at the same time.  We talked about not going beyond LEO and our guest questioned the purpose of the ISS several times during our discussion.  A caller wanted to know if she ever met Von Braun and the answer was yes.  Sara then told us some personal Von Braun stories.  She also told us about taking a family trip as a youngster to New Mexico and seeing a rocket launch from White Sands but not knowing what it was.  During our discussion she talked with us about the importance of studying math and physics and she repeated this several times over during our interview.  Later in the second segment, Sara was asked for her thoughts on the private sector taking over the building of the human spaceflight spaceships and she was very supportive of it, saying government was just messing things up.  I questioned her on safety issues with the private companies since she made strong comments about safety during the first segment.  As you will hear, she supports the move to privatization.  Toward the end, we talked about some of the chapters in her book and learned that she was never able to see a live Saturn V launch.  Near the end, John called in from Atlanta about the 2.5 minute engine test firing with several questions about the burn and the engine readiness.  At the end, Sara returned to questioning the purpose of the ISS & John and I attempted an answer. Please post your questions and comments on the blog URL above. You can contact Sara Howard at sara1861@gmail.com.